TRon Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 The service argument wears thin for me. We talk all day about modern, progressive teams looking to impose their game. Fullbacks who are great going forward and defending. CB's that can play. Midfielders who can do a bit of everything. Wide men both creative and hardworking. But all we have is a striker dependent on service like it's 1988. Not service like getting the ball in the box, crosses, playing it to feet but eye of the needle through balls. Today shows all he has to offer to the team is goals. Michael Owen. Jermain Defoe. Darren Bent. Is that good enough for the modern striker? Lovely goal though. In a team that is woefully short of goal scorers I'd say it's a pretty good quality to have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 He's a finisher no doubt. I've always said that. But I don't think his overall game is good enough. I don't think he can do enough for the team or for himself to sniff out goals. You can't just knock it over the top for him to use his pace. You can't keep putting it in the air to utilise his aerial ability/movement. You can't just put it in the box and he'll find his foot to it. His volley game is brilliant but you can't just roll it into him from outside the box. Won't out muscle someone and poke it in. You understand what i'm saying? He has such specific strengths that only a few of our players can utilise regularly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Played crap, didn't hold it up, wasted possession. Scored....me happy-ish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Very pleased for him today, especially as he was obviously properly wound up. He was never going to get any joy with aimless balls into the Stoke box. We found him with a great pass and he finished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 The service argument wears thin for me. We talk all day about modern, progressive teams looking to impose their game. Fullbacks who are great going forward and defending. CB's that can play. Midfielders who can do a bit of everything. Wide men both creative and hardworking. But all we have is a striker dependent on service like it's 1988. Not service like getting the ball in the box, crosses, playing it to feet but eye of the needle through balls. Today shows all he has to offer to the team is goals. Michael Owen. Jermain Defoe. Darren Bent. Is that good enough for the modern striker? Lovely goal though. In a team that is woefully short of goal scorers I'd say it's a pretty good quality to have. I agree. We don't have any other option. But going forward in the summer, he's looking like someone we should look to upgrade on perhaps. Part of our problems in general play is down to him being crap with the ball and not offering much to his team-mates. Some of his movement is bewildering, gets in the way of others too much. But he must just focus on his game and goal-scoring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 He´s a finisher, we are not giving him any. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Personally thought it was a tough game all round, especially for a player up front on his tod, having to deal with Stokes anti-football back four. He might not have been good today but was any player on the pitch the good today? He got the ball once at his feet in the box and tucked it away. Striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Played crap, didn't hold it up, wasted possession. You see this is where people are missing the point. If a striker doesn't hold it up and wastes possession, how is the team going to consistently create chances for him? How are we going to get that far up the pitch a lot of the times? Stoke defended extremely deep because it was injury time. They allowed us to play up until the edge of their area but that doesn't happen at 0-0 or for most of the match. Modern strikers need to help the team get up the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Glad he got the winning goal. Looked like he was lucky to stay on the pitch from where I was sitting, but will have to see the highlights. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Individually, it wasn't a bad performance overall at all imo. A lack of attacking cohesion being the worst thing. Siss & Gouff passing was hit & misss. Cisse terrible overall. Jonas looking like he was playing in defence. Everyone else looked decent. Even Tiote until he lost his mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Played crap, didn't hold it up, wasted possession. You see this is where people are missing the point. If a striker doesn't hold it up and wastes possession, how is the team going to consistently create chances for him? How are we going to get that far up the pitch a lot of the times? Stoke defended extremely deep because it was injury time. They allowed us to play up until the edge of their area but that doesn't happen at 0-0 or for most of the match. Modern strikers need to help the team get up the pitch. Just stop posting man, please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Only service he had today and he buried it. Thought Campbell complimented him well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 he's been shit the whole game but then again it was because he was being asked to do what he's here to do, when it came down to it he did the one job he is supposed to do, which is to score, brilliantly. good movement and a comfortable finish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 75% pass completion rate which is very poor. Tbf to him, it doesn't help when the #10 Siss comes in at 69%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 75% pass completion rate which is very poor. Tbf to him, it doesn't help when the #10 Siss comes in at 69%. It doesn't help when his movement is being coached out of him by a manager obsessed with players dropping back either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi_D Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Played crap, didn't hold it up, wasted possession. You see this is where people are missing the point. If a striker doesn't hold it up and wastes possession, how is the team going to consistently create chances for him? How are we going to get that far up the pitch a lot of the times? Stoke defended extremely deep because it was injury time. They allowed us to play up until the edge of their area but that doesn't happen at 0-0 or for most of the match. Modern strikers need to help the team get up the pitch. Just stop posting man, please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 3 goals in his last 3 games against Stoke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi_D Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 He's a finisher no doubt. I've always said that. But I don't think his overall game is good enough. I don't think he can do enough for the team or for himself to sniff out goals. You can't just knock it over the top for him to use his pace. You can't keep putting it in the air to utilise his aerial ability/movement. You can't just put it in the box and he'll find his foot to it. His volley game is brilliant but you can't just roll it into him from outside the box. Won't out muscle someone and poke it in. You understand what i'm saying? He has such specific strengths that only a few of our players can utilise regularly. No Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 For such a limited player, he doesn't half end up in a lot of goalscoring positions... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 75% pass completion rate which is very poor. Tbf to him, it doesn't help when the #10 Siss comes in at 69%. About the same as Suarez then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 75% pass completion rate which is very poor. Tbf to him, it doesn't help when the #10 Siss comes in at 69%. It's not very poor ffs Pass completion rate is a rubbish statistic anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 3 goals in his last 3 games against Stoke. Could do what Messi can only dream off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Believe me I wouldn't mention it if Cisse played like Suarez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Believe me I wouldn't mention it if Cisse played like Suarez. Two different kinds of player like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 3 goals in his last 3 games against Stoke. Could do what Messi can only dream off. Yeah, the acid test really. Forget the most goals in a calendar year, most consecutive goals in games, etc. it's what you do against Stoke on a freezing night that matters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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