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I find it odd that his track record of scoring goals for years doesn't really count any more, and that we're now unsure what constitutes the "real" Cisse.

 

Very odd.

 

Especially since track record is so, so important whenever we want to criticise someone.

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I find it odd that his track record of scoring goals for years doesn't really count any more, and that we're now unsure what constitutes the "real" Cisse.

 

Very odd.

 

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I find it odd that his track record of scoring goals for years doesn't really count any more, and that we're now unsure what constitutes the "real" Cisse.

 

Very odd.

 

Especially since track record is so, so important whenever we want to criticise someone.

 

I'm not criticising his past record, I'm analysing his performance so far this season and coming to the conclusion that it's at the level of his ability or where we need it to be. Nobody is saying he is shit or we should look to replace him as far as I can see, but some people ARE becoming tired of waiting for him to magically click into form whilst his underperformance can not be openly discussed without name calling or being accused of negativism. I can't speak for College Dropout, but I love the bloke as a person and enjoyed every minute of that magical first few months with us, but that doesn't stop me from saying it as I see it. I'm still confident he can find form and be that striker he promised to be, but I'm past blind hope at this point and openly worrying if it will happen this season at all. If some people can't handle a few critical questions with regards to their perceived darlings than so be it.

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I find it odd that his track record of scoring goals for years doesn't really count any more, and that we're now unsure what constitutes the "real" Cisse.

 

Very odd.

 

Especially since track record is so, so important whenever we want to criticise someone.

 

I'm not criticising his past record, I'm analysing his performance so far this season and coming to the conclusion that it's at the level of his ability or where we need it to be. Nobody is saying he is shit or we should look to replace him as far as I can see, but some people ARE becoming tired of waiting for him to magically click into form whilst his underperformance can not be openly discussed without name calling or being accused of negativism. I can't speak for College Dropout, but I love the bloke as a person and enjoyed every minute of that magical first few months with us, but that doesn't stop me from saying it as I see it. I'm still confident he can find form and be that striker he promised to be, but I'm past blind hope at this point and openly worrying if it will happen this season at all. If some people can't handle a few critical questions with regards to their perceived darlings than so be it.

 

I don't why you have to use such ridiculous exaggeration and stereotyping other people's views.

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I do think that not acknowledging that Cisse's poor season is a serious problem that may not remedy itself given a bit more time, is pretty much equally as myopic as stating that he is now the next Torres.

 

The length of his poor form is not an insignificant amount of time.

 

[And as a side note, the offside statistic on the last page is daft IMO. Being in an offside position and being flagged for an offside (and recorded in a statistic) because someone passes to you are two different things entirely. I wouldn't deign to compare his positional sense to Benteke as I haven't seen nearly enough of Benteke to make any such judgement, but I've seen more than enough of Cisse this season to know that his awareness of offside this season has been about as good as Shola on horse tranquillisers. Admitting that doesn't make you a heretic/Cisse-hater/mean you have an agenda -it just means you've watched him play and formed an opinion].

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I find it odd that his track record of scoring goals for years doesn't really count any more, and that we're now unsure what constitutes the "real" Cisse.

 

Very odd.

 

Especially since track record is so, so important whenever we want to criticise someone.

 

I'm not criticising his past record, I'm analysing his performance so far this season and coming to the conclusion that it's at the level of his ability or where we need it to be. Nobody is saying he is s*** or we should look to replace him as far as I can see, but some people ARE becoming tired of waiting for him to magically click into form whilst his underperformance can not be openly discussed without name calling or being accused of negativism. I can't speak for College Dropout, but I love the bloke as a person and enjoyed every minute of that magical first few months with us, but that doesn't stop me from saying it as I see it. I'm still confident he can find form and be that striker he promised to be, but I'm past blind hope at this point and openly worrying if it will happen this season at all. If some people can't handle a few critical questions with regards to their perceived darlings than so be it.

 

I don't why you have to use such ridiculous exaggeration and stereotyping other people's views.

 

That's a fair enough statement, but I'm not the only one doing it. Plenty of people on the other side of the argument are ridiculing the thought that Cisse "dip in form" is even worthy of discussion.

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I do think that not acknowledging that Cisse's poor season is a serious problem that may not remedy itself given a bit more time, is pretty much equally as myopic as stating that he is now the next Torres.

 

The length of his poor form is not an insignificant amount of time.

 

[And as a side note, the offside statistic on the last page is daft IMO. Being in an offside position and being flagged for an offside (and recorded in a statistic) because someone passes to you are two different things entirely. I wouldn't deign to compare his positional sense to Benteke as I haven't seen nearly enough of Benteke to make any such judgement, but I've seen more than enough of Cisse this season to know that his awareness of offside this season has been about as good as Shola on horse tranquillisers. Admitting that doesn't make you a heretic/Cisse-hater/mean you have an agenda -it just means you've watched him play and formed an opinion].

 

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I just don't see how it's possible to draw any decent conclusion or get any outcome from this debate. Cisse is going through a poor period of form, that's a fact. That's the extent of the argument for me, just play him and wait for him to get into better form. There is no alternative.

 

All I object to is the excessive criticism of one of our top players rather than deciding to support him through it.

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I just don't see how it's possible to draw any decent conclusion or get any outcome from this debate. Cisse is going through a poor period of form, that's a fact. That's the extent of the argument for me, just play him and wait for him to get into better form. There is no alternative.

 

All I object to is the excessive criticism of one of our top players rather than deciding to support him through it.

 

So....wait and see?

 

;) < Blatant wink.

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I just don't see how it's possible to draw any decent conclusion or get any outcome from this debate. Cisse is going through a poor period of form, that's a fact. That's the extent of the argument for me, just play him and wait for him to get into better form. There is no alternative.

 

All I object to is the excessive criticism of one of our top players rather than deciding to support him through it.

 

I don't think the criticism has been that excessive tbh. Players with less ability, such as Shola, get loads more stick ironically.

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I just don't see how it's possible to draw any decent conclusion or get any outcome from this debate. Cisse is going through a poor period of form, that's a fact. That's the extent of the argument for me, just play him and wait for him to get into better form. There is no alternative.

 

All I object to is the excessive criticism of one of our top players rather than deciding to support him through it.

 

I don't think the criticism has been that excessive tbh. Players with less ability, such as Shola, get loads more stick ironically.

 

Any kind of criticism is excessive to Ian W. He thinks talking about his loss of form is going to effect Cisse more so is against it, see the 'support him through it comment' like what we say on a forum is going to translate to the pitch. If me or you (or anyone in this thread worried/concerned or criticising) were watching Cisse live he'd get full vocal support as always, just a shame Ian is massively set in his ways (sorry can't think of another way of saying it without upsetting or criticising Ian) and cannot see this.

 

 

 

 

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That's what I don't understand. We expect more from Shola than he can give and we abuse him when he doesn't live up to it. Yet, Cisse under performs when we know he can play so much better but it is ignored and at worst, blamed on other less talented players.

 

Cisses's form is not ignored, its just acknowledged that he is having a poor run of form, partly due to lack of confidence, lack of supply, and a disjointed team.

 

 

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Cisse is good either ghosting into areas or getting early balls.

 

Right now we're not really getting round the back of teams so he can ghost in and we're not playing the ball early enough. He's getting a little anxious and he's straying offside too often. I do think you can see a pattern emerging between him and Moussa though. We are starting to play it into Cisse's feet (with his back to goal) and he's laying it off to Moussa and then spinning into space while Moussa drives forward with the ball. I think with Gouf and HBA making anitipatory runs off that move will give us a good attacking outlet.

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That's what I don't understand. We expect more from Shola than he can give and we abuse him when he doesn't live up to it. Yet, Cisse under performs when we know he can play so much better but it is ignored and at worst, blamed on other less talented players.

 

So we shouldn't criticise Shola?

 

 

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