Papiss Cissé

[Unbelievable]

Playing off the last man requires some sort of intelligence and trying to beat the offside trap. He doesn't do this at all, he just runs as soon as we look to be breaking and more often than not he is caught miles offside because he doesn't look across the line or attempt to time his runs.

 

Maybe if we were pushing forward rather than looking to break (at home) he would be more useful? With more player in the opposition half it would be less easy for the opposition defenders to step up and play the offside game.

 

I just think we need to stop making excuses for him tbh.

 

Remy and Gouffran have both managed to break behind or anticipate saves/deflections etc.. The Cisse defence got old a long time ago now, we are verging on blaming the position of the moon or how Capricorns always struggle to score during this month.

 

Remy and Gouffran are better at playing on the break without doubt. But when either one has been asked to play up front as the central striker they haven't exactly pulled up any trees either tbf.

 

When was this?

 

Remy started one game as a striker in the premier, can't remember which one exactly, but there were quite a few comments after the game that he looked far more effective on the left. Gouffran started a game in the Carling Cup as striker against Oxford I think it was and he was anonymous and got subbed.

 

So one game each vs 18 months of bad form, and you have decided based on this that they haven't exactly pulled up any trees either..?

[TRon]

Playing off the last man requires some sort of intelligence and trying to beat the offside trap. He doesn't do this at all, he just runs as soon as we look to be breaking and more often than not he is caught miles offside because he doesn't look across the line or attempt to time his runs.

 

Maybe if we were pushing forward rather than looking to break (at home) he would be more useful? With more player in the opposition half it would be less easy for the opposition defenders to step up and play the offside game.

 

I just think we need to stop making excuses for him tbh.

 

Remy and Gouffran have both managed to break behind or anticipate saves/deflections etc.. The Cisse defence got old a long time ago now, we are verging on blaming the position of the moon or how Capricorns always struggle to score during this month.

 

Remy and Gouffran are better at playing on the break without doubt. But when either one has been asked to play up front as the central striker they haven't exactly pulled up any trees either tbf.

 

When was this?

 

Remy started one game as a striker in the premier, can't remember which one exactly, but there were quite a few comments after the game that he looked far more effective on the left. Gouffran started a game in the Carling Cup as striker against Oxford I think it was and he was anonymous and got subbed.

 

So one game each vs 18 months of bad form, and you have decided based on this that they haven't exactly pulled up any trees either..?

 

Well people were calling Cisse worse than shit yesterday based on 30 mins when we were all over the place as a team anyway. Yes they have only played one game each up front but until we see them play more that's all we've got to go on.

[Unbelievable]

Playing off the last man requires some sort of intelligence and trying to beat the offside trap. He doesn't do this at all, he just runs as soon as we look to be breaking and more often than not he is caught miles offside because he doesn't look across the line or attempt to time his runs.

 

Maybe if we were pushing forward rather than looking to break (at home) he would be more useful? With more player in the opposition half it would be less easy for the opposition defenders to step up and play the offside game.

 

I just think we need to stop making excuses for him tbh.

 

Remy and Gouffran have both managed to break behind or anticipate saves/deflections etc.. The Cisse defence got old a long time ago now, we are verging on blaming the position of the moon or how Capricorns always struggle to score during this month.

 

Remy and Gouffran are better at playing on the break without doubt. But when either one has been asked to play up front as the central striker they haven't exactly pulled up any trees either tbf.

 

When was this?

 

Remy started one game as a striker in the premier, can't remember which one exactly, but there were quite a few comments after the game that he looked far more effective on the left. Gouffran started a game in the Carling Cup as striker against Oxford I think it was and he was anonymous and got subbed.

 

So one game each vs 18 months of bad form, and you have decided based on this that they haven't exactly pulled up any trees either..?

 

Well people were calling Cisse worse than s*** yesterday based on 30 mins when we were all over the place as a team anyway. Yes they have only played one game each up front but until we see them play more that's all we've got to go on.

 

I'm sure if Cisse had put in some good performances this season and scored a couple of goals people wouldn't be so harsh after a rather indifferent 30 minutes. I just find it kind of odd that you would say Gouffran and Remy have "also" not pulled up any trees when played centrally whilst also conceding that they both have had one game in the position, versus dozens for Cisse.

 

For what it's worth, I wish Cisse showed at least glimpses of getting back into form, and took his place as the number nine of this club, because we badly miss an out and out goalscorer. It's the difference between us competing for Europe (the 5th place season with Ba and then Cisse, this season so far with Remy, then Gouffran) and us flirting with relegation (last season with a misfiring Cisse).

[TRon]

Playing off the last man requires some sort of intelligence and trying to beat the offside trap. He doesn't do this at all, he just runs as soon as we look to be breaking and more often than not he is caught miles offside because he doesn't look across the line or attempt to time his runs.

 

Maybe if we were pushing forward rather than looking to break (at home) he would be more useful? With more player in the opposition half it would be less easy for the opposition defenders to step up and play the offside game.

 

I just think we need to stop making excuses for him tbh.

 

Remy and Gouffran have both managed to break behind or anticipate saves/deflections etc.. The Cisse defence got old a long time ago now, we are verging on blaming the position of the moon or how Capricorns always struggle to score during this month.

 

Remy and Gouffran are better at playing on the break without doubt. But when either one has been asked to play up front as the central striker they haven't exactly pulled up any trees either tbf.

 

When was this?

 

Remy started one game as a striker in the premier, can't remember which one exactly, but there were quite a few comments after the game that he looked far more effective on the left. Gouffran started a game in the Carling Cup as striker against Oxford I think it was and he was anonymous and got subbed.

 

So one game each vs 18 months of bad form, and you have decided based on this that they haven't exactly pulled up any trees either..?

 

Well people were calling Cisse worse than s*** yesterday based on 30 mins when we were all over the place as a team anyway. Yes they have only played one game each up front but until we see them play more that's all we've got to go on.

 

I'm sure if Cisse had put in some good performances this season and scored a couple of goals people wouldn't be so harsh after a rather indifferent 30 minutes. I just find it kind of odd that you would say Gouffran and Remy have "also" not pulled up any trees when played centrally whilst also conceding that they both have had one game in the position, versus dozens for Cisse.

 

For what it's worth, I wish Cisse showed at least glimpses of getting back into form, and took his place as the number nine of this club, because we badly miss an out and out goalscorer. It's the difference between us competing for Europe (the 5th place season with Ba and then Cisse, this season so far with Remy, then Gouffran) and us flirting with relegation (last season with a misfiring Cisse).

 

I agree Cisse has been poor this season, but my point was made in relation to yesterday's performance. He hardly had two touches yet he was being called worse than shit. It's just a case of fans wanting a scapegoat sometimes and yesterday that's what it felt like.

[Ronaldo]

Fuck knows what you were watching, TRon. I really like Cisse but the time for pointing fingers elsewhere when that's the kind of nonsense he continues to serve up has been and gone.

[TRon]

Fuck knows what you were watching, TRon. I really like Cisse but the time for pointing fingers elsewhere when that's the kind of nonsense he continues to serve up has been and gone.

 

How's it pointing fingers elsewhere? Our football was all over the place in the second half, I wouldn't really blame any individual when you lose shape and direction.

[ujpest doza]

I think Cisse would be a much better player if he was running onto a ball towards the opposition goal rather than trying to pluck balls out of the air or trying to play through the opposition.  He's got pace yet we don't try to make use of it often enough.  I don't know what's wrong with him but you can't go from being the player we signed to the player we currently see for no reason.

 

His first half of a season was too good for him to be a shit player, shit players can't and don't do what he did for half a season.  They can have good games but they don't do it for as long as he did.

Cisse would have buried the 2 chances that Remy fluffed yesterday.

 

[Segun Oluwaniyi]

Cisse would have mis-controlled the ball after Saints fourth choice keeper passed it directly to him.

[midds]

Cisse's heat map from yesterday. Part of the problem is where he's being asked to play.

 

http://i43.tinypic.com/xlb18i.png

 

Mind, the other part of the problem is that he's garbage at the moment....if 'moment' means 'for about 16 months'.

 

Willing to bet that those 2 big green blobs are the results of glancing on Krul's hoofs. Barely involved in the game at all.

 

Still can't figure out how he's regressed so much. The standard of goals he scored in 2011 could not be sustained but he's gone so far backwards it's untrue.

[DJ_NUFC]

You can still play an expansive game and have a target man.

 

I've no sympathy for Papiss or Hatem not getting into the side when they legitimately offer less than the alternatives currently.

 

HBA offering less,

 

Wow.

[Ronaldo]

Fuck knows what you were watching, TRon. I really like Cisse but the time for pointing fingers elsewhere when that's the kind of nonsense he continues to serve up has been and gone.

 

How's it pointing fingers elsewhere? Our football was all over the place in the second half, I wouldn't really blame any individual when you lose shape and direction.

 

You wouldn't blame any individual for forgetting the offside rule or how to control the ball? We're not talking about tactical indiscipline here, man. We're talking about total failure to achieve the basics.

[Unbelievable]

You can still play an expansive game and have a target man.

 

I've no sympathy for Papiss or Hatem not getting into the side when they legitimately offer less than the alternatives currently.

 

HBA offering less,

 

Wow.

 

Currently, as CD states. I don't think that is such a preposterous statement considering our recent results which coincide with him being dropped in favour of Sissoko, Gouffran and Remy as our wide options?

[Mole_Toonfan]

I'd rather Hatem than Shola tbh.

 

I don't subscribe to the theory that we need a big man up there to perform.... surely the Man Utd game proved that?

 

Although it would be great to have a big man who can actually score granted.

[Gallowgate Toon]

I'd rather Hatem than Shola tbh.

 

I don't subscribe to the theory that we need a big man up there to perform.... surely the Man Utd game proved that?

 

Although it would be great to have a big man who can actually score granted.

 

I think we need a big man for some games and situations but not all.

[The College Dropout]

You can still play an expansive game and have a target man.

 

I've no sympathy for Papiss or Hatem not getting into the side when they legitimately offer less than the alternatives currently.

 

HBA offering less,

 

Wow.

 

Currently, as CD states. I don't think that is such a preposterous statement considering our recent results which coincide with him being dropped in favour of Sissoko, Gouffran and Remy as our wide options?

 

Yes exactly this. Currently.

 

We've not had either in the side during our current good run in form and we haven't looked noticeably better when they've come off the bench.

 

I'd rather Hatem than Shola tbh.

 

I don't subscribe to the theory that we need a big man up there to perform.... surely the Man Utd game proved that?

 

Although it would be great to have a big man who can actually score granted.

 

We had someone whose biggest attribute is recycling possession and keeping the momentum going. Any player coming into the side will need to do a similar thing.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Not denying its important i have said many times that i want a big man in January who can score.

 

But its not vital for week in week out and i'm not convinced that we would have lost to Southampton if Ben Arfa started instead of Shola.

 

Especially with Anita starting considering how intelligent he is.

[DJ_NUFC]

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't change a starting eleven that has won 5 out of the last 6. I'm just saying, along with many, that failure to include our best player into the first 11 is a failure of imagination from management. And it could very well come to bite us in the arse when we continually keep coming out in the second half a team ready to be beaten. We have never gone in for the kill under Pardew, something players like HBA are pretty much made for, it's always the heavy-petting of an influential uncle that puts other teams to sleep, and we hustle hard to keep them quiet in the second half.

[Unbelievable]

Absolutely convinced Ben Arfa still has a huge part to play for us this season, and quite hopeful that so will Cisse.

[alexf]

Saw some quotes from Pardew saying how it won't be cheap if teams want to take Cisse. Kinda get the feeling he's starting the motion of phasing him out. I know he's saying he doesn't want to sell him but I think that's just to make sure it doesn't seem like we want to give him away. Any decent offer and I think they will accept.

[wyn davies]

Saw some quotes from Pardew saying how it won't be cheap if teams want to take Cisse. Kinda get the feeling he's starting the motion of phasing him out. I know he's saying he doesn't want to sell him but I think that's just to make sure it doesn't seem like we want to give him away. Any decent offer and I think they will accept.

 

no point in keeping someone whose prod is zero, move them on can't afford to carry players.

[Guest BenArfa10]

I would have been completely exasperated if we'd sold Cisse at one point but it has gotten so bad with him that I'd be happy for it to happen just to inject some fresh life into our forward line. If we do decide to sell him I dare say a team like West Ham would be willing to buy as they are always available when wanting to shift an under-performing player for lots of money. I wouldn't be surprised if they did come in for him, I mean they don't have any strikers at the moment (Cole and Maiga don't count) so I think we'd get £15m for him from them.

 

The problem is that he is just completely anonymous, he comes into games (whether starting in early season or off the bench now) and does absolutely nothing, you don't even realise he's on the pitch. Not only that (and this is what annoys me most about him) he just doesn't seem to want to work as hard as all the other players. If we need to fund incomings by selling in January then Cisse has to be the man to go. Maybe we can do a p/ex with QPR and get Remy permanently that way.

[loki679]

I don't think there's any way we'll get £15m for him.  Unless they sack Allardyce and appoint Dalglish maybe.

[Cajun]

Playing off the last man requires some sort of intelligence and trying to beat the offside trap. He doesn't do this at all, he just runs as soon as we look to be breaking and more often than not he is caught miles offside because he doesn't look across the line or attempt to time his runs.

 

Maybe if we were pushing forward rather than looking to break (at home) he would be more useful? With more player in the opposition half it would be less easy for the opposition defenders to step up and play the offside game.

 

I just think we need to stop making excuses for him tbh.

 

Remy and Gouffran have both managed to break behind or anticipate saves/deflections etc.. The Cisse defence got old a long time ago now, we are verging on blaming the position of the moon or how Capricorns always struggle to score during this month.

 

Remy and Gouffran are better at playing on the break without doubt. But when either one has been asked to play up front as the central striker they haven't exactly pulled up any trees either tbf.

 

When was this?

 

Remy started one game as a striker in the premier, can't remember which one exactly, but there were quite a few comments after the game that he looked far more effective on the left. Gouffran started a game in the Carling Cup as striker against Oxford I think it was and he was anonymous and got subbed.

 

So one game each vs 18 months of bad form, and you have decided based on this that they haven't exactly pulled up any trees either..?

 

I'm glad someone asked, one game ffs!

[Teasy]

I don't think there's any way we'll get £15m for him.  Unless they sack Allardyce and appoint Dalglish maybe.

 

Its very unlikely, I'd be amazed if we did, but I suppose West Ham's owners are insane and Allardyce isn't exactly one to care about club funds so you never know.  I mean £17m for Andy Carroll in the state him and Liverpool were is was quite incredible.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I doubt West Ham have £15m to spend on anyone.