Fatwax Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Cisse is finished here I reckon. Such a shame as it started out so unbelievably well for him. He needs good crosses to score goals, but the wide players we've bought look more like goal scorers themselves than providers. Aarons looks like the type of winger that Cisse would thrive off, and Haidara's crosses are far better to attack than Santon's. But neither of those is likely to be starting games much. That's all very well and I agree to an extent, but there's no excusing the poor quality of his performances, the missing of absolute sitters and his inability to understand the offside rule. In my opinion his mind is shot to shit and it doesn't look like he'll ever really recover from that based on the last two seasons. When he first came here he didn't have really have 'proper' wingers either, he had Ba & HBA. I think the problem is definitely from Pardew and his mismanagement of him as a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Well let's hope Riviere hits the ground running then because I still can't see which striker is going to provide the 12 or so goals we'll need to replace Remy's contribution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Number 9 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Well let's hope Riviere hits the ground running then because I still can't see which striker is going to provide the 12 or so goals we'll need to replace Remy's contribution. Him or Ferreyra. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Well let's hope Riviere hits the ground running then because I still can't see which striker is going to provide the 12 or so goals we'll need to replace Remy's contribution. Need a hell of a lot more than that to replace Remy's contribution, like. 14 goals and a hell of a lot of important contributions leading to goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Well let's hope Riviere hits the ground running then because I still can't see which striker is going to provide the 12 or so goals we'll need to replace Remy's contribution. Him or Ferreyra. Well we can hope, but that's all it is. They might come off or they might flop completely it's all just guesswork at this point. We can write Cisse off now, but for all we know he might still end up being our only senior striker with a record of scoring in the premier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Back soon but Santon out for a bit: http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/double-injury-blow-for-newcastle-latest-on-santon-and-cisse-1-6788270 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Forgot about the ACON. 29 now - with his recent form, surprised they have not tried to flog him while they can. Maybe they still will. Senegal have a tough group with Tunisia, Egypt, and a Botswana team that has looked decent at times. There is no guarantee he goes. I like Cisse, but his form over the last two seasons has just been too poor for me to conceive a dream where he is back to "his best". Several of the players under Pardew have regressed and play with no confidence, but Cisse is at the same point as Shola and Gutierrez where he just looks completely finished as a player at this level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Steady on, man. Even playing crap in a team providing no service he's guaranteed to threaten the goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Steady on, man. Even playing crap in a team providing no service he's guaranteed to threaten the goal. His 10 Premiership goals in fifty starts and innumerable substitute appearances over the past two seasons speak to this. 1 in 5 strikers with no other attributes do not generally last very long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Create chances for him, he will score goals, imo. It's the chance creation thing that we have yet to address for 3+ years. Pardew prefers to play people who don't create chances, grafters in Jonas, Gouffran, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 It's why players like Ba and Remy who basically create there own chances thrive under Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Am interested to see how he fares if we can truly create some movement around him and create chances for him. Wouldn't fully write him off yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I do like Cisse but at this stage and with Pardew as manager, I just don't consider him a decent option. Chances are few and far between for him, and when he does get one he snatches at it because he knows the next chance won't come quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Cisse would score goals for fun in a team that creates more than five 1/2 chances in a match. Put him in a Liverpool team and he'd be 15+ goals a season. Far too many balls in the box for him to fluff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Cisse would score goals for fun in a team that creates more than five 1/2 chances in a match. Put him in a Liverpool team and he'd be 15+ goals a season. Far too many balls in the box for him to fluff. If that's the case, why haven't a team like them picked him up on the cheap? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Most teams don't bother to take risks on players in shite form tbf. Plus I doubt we would let him go on the cheap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Cisse would score goals for fun in a team that creates more than five 1/2 chances in a match. Put him in a Liverpool team and he'd be 15+ goals a season. Far too many balls in the box for him to fluff. If that's the case, why haven't a team like them picked him up on the cheap? Two teams have bid pretty big money for him according to those ITK, but he doesn't want to leave. It's a stupid argument anyway when it come from someone who defends Coloccini constantly. Nobody's ever gone near him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 People once again forgetting some of the chances this guy missed last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 The fact he missed chances in our side constitutes something of an achievement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 If he doesn't score 10+ this season we'll probably sell him next summer and rightly so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 People once again forgetting some of the chances this guy missed last season. He's lost all his confidence quite clearly, I don't see why he couldn't regain it for another manager though. Not like the form he showed was a one off in his career, only Mario Gomez scored more than him while he was in Germany. There's a good striker in there somewhere IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I don't think its a monumental concept to understand... He's not a Remy (create's his own chances) or Ba (can score any type of goal, esp scrappy 1/2 chances) - his best form may have been just that, but he's a fantastic striker who scores off certain types of chances and we don't create enough of them. Everyone here knows we basically get by on individual brilliance under Pardew. Cisse under a top manager who built teams to create chances would have be what he needs exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 At the moment we've got Chucky Ferreyra and Riviere as our main strikers. Now while I'm happy they are here and hopeful they'll do well, I'm glad we're not just relying on them for our goals this season. Even an out of form Cisse will get at least a couple of efforts on goal, and after witnessing Luke de Jong's reluctance in front of goal last season, that's still something. Yeah if we'd bought a proven striker then we should have sold him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I was just watching the goals when he first arrived. The key things I noticed: lots of crosses and through balls and get forward quickly. But above all else what I found the most interesting was due to these factors he rarely had more than one defender around him. When you consider all these factors it's not exactly a surprise in hindsight he managed to consistently score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 At the moment we've got Chucky Ferreyra and Riviere as our main strikers. Now while I'm happy they are here and hopeful they'll do well, I'm glad we're not just relying on them for our goals this season. Even an out of form Cisse will get at least a couple of efforts on goal, and after witnessing Luke de Jong's reluctance in front of goal last season, that's still something. Yeah if we'd bought a proven striker then we should have sold him. God I hope they're both better than Luuk de Jong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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