Guest Chubby Jason Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Top 8 is doable on a consistent basis if he stays there for the next few years. I still think he can take a step up to a bigger club than Sunderland though so I don't see this being his last job at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 He should have took Villa higher really considering how they started seasons. Stubborness in team selections always meant they tailed off second half of the season and like Baba said a lack of creativity in the transfer market stopped them breaking in the way Spurs have. They spent just as much as Spurs but their net didn't spread as far and wide so you inevitably have a lower success rate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Give him a long term project like Sunderland and he will succeed. What counts as succeeding? He won't get them as high as he got Villa considering how other teams have improved and having much more to spend at Villa. Have to say (honestly) I never rated him that highly, always thought he was bigger on bullshit than substance. Whenever his name was bandied around for us I always hoped not, but concede that quite a few did want him. I'd have been more concerned if they'd made a Rodgers,Lambert or even Adkins type appointment. I just don't see a 60 year old Martin O'Niell pushing them on, especially with what he's inherited. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Go on Martin, increase your bid for Davies please Realistically, it's the only way we're going to get our debt down by getting rid of the big earners. Allardyce's 'quick fixes' and short-termism are part of the reason we're in this debt mess. Megson, for all his failings, at least signed some young players with potential sell-on value. Coyle is doing that more emphatically. It's very risky, especially as we're embroiled in a relegation battle, but it's the only way out really. £250k is quite a low amount actually so how much would it take for a bid to be accepted? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Villa topped out at 6th. They're a bigger club, with better investment and at a time where there were less decent teams competing for those positions. I don't buy that Sunderland are going to become European contenders with this fella in charge, he's just too stubborn to get a team any further. That may be enough for them, but I doubt it, because it'll get to a point where they expect a decent finish, and people will become frustrated with his inadequacies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Top 8 is doable on a consistent basis if he stays there for the next few years. I still think he can take a step up to a bigger club than Sunderland though so I don't see this being his last job at all. Surely after his success with Villa he should have then made the step up from Villa rather than a step down to a smaller club? He won't ever get the job at Man U/Chelsea/Arsenal/Spurs/City because of his faults that you ignore. You need a bit more than master motivation skills and big target men to manage Man United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Villa topped out at 6th. They're a bigger club, with better investment and at a time where there were less decent teams competing for those positions. I don't buy that Sunderland are going to become European contenders with this fella in charge, he's just too stubborn to get a team any further. That may be enough for them, but I doubt it, because it'll get to a point where they expect a decent finish, and people will become frustrated with his inadequacies. if they had one more point than us, one more in a crowd, one more goal, they will make a statue to him, they will be wanking in the streets. Thats his brief. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Villa topped out at 6th. They're a bigger club, with better investment and at a time where there were less decent teams competing for those positions. I don't buy that Sunderland are going to become European contenders with this fella in charge, he's just too stubborn to get a team any further. That may be enough for them, but I doubt it, because it'll get to a point where they expect a decent finish, and people will become frustrated with his inadequacies. if they had one more point than us, one more in a crowd, one more goal, they will make a statue to him, they will be wanking in his brief. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Villa topped out at 6th. They're a bigger club, with better investment and at a time where there were less decent teams competing for those positions. I don't buy that Sunderland are going to become European contenders with this fella in charge, he's just too stubborn to get a team any further. That may be enough for them, but I doubt it, because it'll get to a point where they expect a decent finish, and people will become frustrated with his inadequacies. if they had one more point than us, one more in a crowd, one more goal, they will make a statue to him, they will be wanking in the streets. Thats his brief. Villa topped out at 6th. They're a bigger club, with better investment and at a time where there were less decent teams competing for those positions. I don't buy that Sunderland are going to become European contenders with this fella in charge, he's just too stubborn to get a team any further. That may be enough for them, but I doubt it, because it'll get to a point where they expect a decent finish, and people will become frustrated with his inadequacies. Not even sure oneill is interested in Europe anyway. He got Villa there and then quite disgracefully made no effort and just played fringe players ending in a quick exit. Kind of negates the point of achieving something in the league really. If that's what he did at Villa he'd do the same at a smaller club with a smaller squad and less talented players. Not that it'll ever likely to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chubby Jason Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Top 8 is doable on a consistent basis if he stays there for the next few years. I still think he can take a step up to a bigger club than Sunderland though so I don't see this being his last job at all. Surely after his success with Villa he should have then made the step up from Villa rather than a step down to a smaller club? He won't ever get the job at Man U/Chelsea/Arsenal/Spurs/City because of his faults that you ignore. You need a bit more than master motivation skills and big target men to manage Man United. I can't account for his decision to join Sunderland, maybe it was because he's a lifelong fan which is fair enough. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's on the FA's contingency list to replace Fabio is Redknapp is found guilty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Top 8 is doable on a consistent basis if he stays there for the next few years. I still think he can take a step up to a bigger club than Sunderland though so I don't see this being his last job at all. Surely after his success with Villa he should have then made the step up from Villa rather than a step down to a smaller club? He won't ever get the job at Man U/Chelsea/Arsenal/Spurs/City because of his faults that you ignore. You need a bit more than master motivation skills and big target men to manage Man United. I can't account for his decision to join Sunderland, maybe it was because he's a lifelong fan which is fair enough. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's on the FA's contingency list to replace Fabio is Redknapp is found guilty. Would a northern irish catholic and former Celtic manager really manage England? Or am I displaying my own ignorance here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 They were first on David Craig's whiteboard thing. MACKEMEDIA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 They were first on David Craig's whiteboard thing. MACKEMEDIA is thier chasing Kevin Davies the biggest transfer story? :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chubby Jason Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Top 8 is doable on a consistent basis if he stays there for the next few years. I still think he can take a step up to a bigger club than Sunderland though so I don't see this being his last job at all. Surely after his success with Villa he should have then made the step up from Villa rather than a step down to a smaller club? He won't ever get the job at Man U/Chelsea/Arsenal/Spurs/City because of his faults that you ignore. You need a bit more than master motivation skills and big target men to manage Man United. I can't account for his decision to join Sunderland, maybe it was because he's a lifelong fan which is fair enough. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's on the FA's contingency list to replace Fabio is Redknapp is found guilty. Would a northern irish catholic and former Celtic manager really manage England? Or am I displaying my own ignorance here I always thought not so. However he was interested and interviewed back when Sven left but we got Big Mac instead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 It's more to do with the fact Villa is his ceiling, hence a year out before making a - at the very best - sideways step. There's no way he would ever be considered for top jobs, simple as that. He couldn't build the dynasties that Fergie and Wenger have built and entrusting him with unlimited funds would be ludicrous not to mention his tactical and coaching flaws. He's good at what he does and is a perfect fit for Sunderland, just like he was at Leicester and Villa but he's too limited to make the next step up. He is the Darren Bent of football managers. England job would probably suit him. Short term impact, motivate the squad and get things back to basics. Doubt the FA would ever consider a Northern Irish manager for the England job though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 They were first on David Craig's whiteboard thing. MACKEMEDIA He'll be camped outside the SoS tomorrow then. (Revealing that the mackems have signed Davies and Heskey ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Rumoured in for Jonathon Walters going for the cream these lot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Walters isn't bad tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Walters is even worse than Davies. He's just a clod with a powerful shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Rumoured in for Jonathon Walters going for the cream these lot One of stokes best players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Walters isn't bad tbh Not that great either though. Do they need more strikers that can't score goals. Looks like lump it up field approach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Walters would be a decent signing for them tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Rumoured in for Jonathon Walters going for the cream these lot One of stokes best players. Nah. Couldn't tie Whitehead or Jones' shoe laces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Horrible twat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 O'Neill really is a caveman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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