Stu Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I know, after rechecking that he did in fact inherit a team with Pontus Kåmark, Steve "head bandage" Walsh and Garry Parker, I'm wondering if I've been to superflous in my appraisal of his managerial skills. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Leicester won the League Cup twice, they beat Boro and Tranmere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Check how much Keegan spent on taking us from 4th bottom of the championship to 3rd in the prem. Hundreds of billions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 There was a time when liam obrien, Gavin peacock and Scott sellars would have been seen as you see that Leicester squad, its what Keegan did with them that changed that view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 There was a time when liam obrien, Gavin peacock and Scott sellars would have been seen as you see that Leicester squad, its what Keegan did with them that changed that view. Of course it is, Keegan had to beat Leicester to keep us in the 2nd division, Leicester were playing the same game to get promoted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Martin O'Niell did a decent job at Leicester moulding average players into an efficient unit which played unattractive football but were hard to beat. It was almost as good as the job Joe Kinnear did at Wimbledon, but not quite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Martin O'Niell did a decent job at Leicester moulding average players into an efficient unit which played unattractive football but were hard to beat. It was almost as good as the job Joe Kinnear did at Wimbledon, but not quite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliGupter Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Check how much Keegan spent on taking us from 4th bottom of the championship to 3rd in the prem. Hundreds of billions? Martin O'Neill is a very good manager and has had some success in every job he's had. Villa was the only overall disappointment but at times they were flying high under him, and won't get there again for a while (partly because of him, mind). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Object to a couple of things that mojo has said, firstly that Keegan did ok at City - he did an absolutely fantastic job there, they were at a low ebb in Division 1 when he took over and he got them promoted immediately, breaking records in the process, then finished 9th in his first season back in the Premier League, establishing them as a solid top flight team again straight away. Ask any City fan what they think of KK. Secondly, you said O'Neill never ruined a club like Souness, when Aston Villa are still desperately trying to offload the overpriced and overpaid shite that he packed their reserves with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Object to a couple of things that mojo has said, firstly that Keegan did ok at City - he did an absolutely fantastic job there, they were at a low ebb in Division 1 when he took over and he got them promoted immediately, breaking records in the process, then finished 9th in his first season back in the Premier League, establishing them as a solid top flight team again straight away. Ask any City fan what they think of KK. Secondly, you said O'Neill never ruined a club like Souness, when Aston Villa are still desperately trying to offload the overpriced and overpaid shite that he packed their reserves with. He just took-over a relegated team from the premiership and spent 10M in Division One, he should had been expected to get promotion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Object to a couple of things that mojo has said, firstly that Keegan did ok at City - he did an absolutely fantastic job there, they were at a low ebb in Division 1 when he took over and he got them promoted immediately, breaking records in the process, then finished 9th in his first season back in the Premier League, establishing them as a solid top flight team again straight away. Ask any City fan what they think of KK. Secondly, you said O'Neill never ruined a club like Souness, when Aston Villa are still desperately trying to offload the overpriced and overpaid shite that he packed their reserves with. He just took-over a relegated team from the premiership and spent 10M in Division One, he should had been expected to get promotion. i meant ok in the sense that he never blazed a trail like he did at newcastle, he took them back up and was well funded in doing so...certainly wasn't the shoestring operation he achieved when we were promoted...nothing out of the ordinary imo villa haven't been relegated yet, and when you consider the state liverpool have been in ever since he left they're not really comparable imo, but yeah villa isn't a bad shout...surely as much to do with the owner backing him then deciding to reign it in as much as anything else? in our case souness was given money we never had and he achieved nothing with it, at least there was little chance of villa being in real financial difficulty as a result of his spending Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 he did an absolutely fantastic job there, they were at a low ebb in Division 1 when he took over and he got them promoted immediately, breaking records in the process, then finished 9th in his first season back in the Premier League, establishing them as a solid top flight team again straight away. .... http://stickerish.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/ThoughtfulGuyBlackSS.png ... ... ... ... ... http://eurocupbetting.net/images/hughton.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Can I assume everybody knows my stance on KK vs MONg ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 No, what is your stance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Can I assume everybody knows my stance on KK vs MONg ? KK's coaching is more... fun and varied™? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 No, what is your stance? KK> MONg cos hes great and the other one is a Mackem bastard. on a serious note...... If Mon was here and won cups like he did at Leicester he would be a legend for bringing silverware. He has undoubtably won more as a manager. But I guess you had to be there to truly appreciate what happened here under Keegan. Id rather watch a keegan team. id rather have the cup success O'neil had, if that makes sense, im rambling like a twat now like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Apart from their footballing philosophy both managers are pretty similar, both very limited, set in their ways, have to be the most important person at the club and both demand full control and take no responsibility when things go wrong. Both at their worst are twice the manager Pardew is though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 What crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 What crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 What crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PENKAAA Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 What crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 There is no comparision. KK's is a top coach and a very good manager overall. If it wasn't for his emotional weaknesses he'd probably be a top manager today. what a load of f***ing s***, i'm sorry like i certainly am not trying to get a bite but nor can read this without comment in the above sentence you've just outlined why there's a comparison to be had, keegan had his strengths and also his weaknesses, you can't just ignore the weaknesses because they suit you man i was around during the keegan years and remember it very fondly, he created something special for a short time that had a lasting effect on NUFC for sure...you can't ignore the other periods of his career though, promoted fulham with a lot to spend relatively, was very poor at england, did ok at man city overall but nothing special and looked like he might have a newfound maturity with us the second time around only for it all to blow up we're biased about keegan, and rightly so, but step back and you'd see that his record puts him as a good manager at best, more likely above average MoN achieved a lot with leicester, winning 2 domestic cups, won everything in scotland (fine not gonna overstate that), started well at villa before it fell off and has now come to sunderland and started well again without really having any players of his own choice there's very little between them overall imo other than keegan had the team playing wonderful football for 3-4 seasons, and why shouldn't keegans meltdowns be counted against him out of interest? I'm not comparing CVs or achievements, I'm comparing their respective coaching and managerial abilities and for me, KK wins hands down. MON has never turned a player's career around via coaching and deploying them differently ala Rob Lee, Owen, Howey and even the likes of Venison and Beresford, journey men players with average abilities turned into competent top flight players. KK even turned around Beardsley's game and he had the ability. He was drifting towards retirement at Everton before KK brought him back and rejuivinated his career to the point he went on to win even more England caps. He transformed Andy Cole too. Ask Anelka what he thinks of KK. Indeed when KK came back to NUFC Sky Sports did their various around the grounds, managers and players reaction interviews and Anelka said he was the best coach he's worked with, how fun his sessions were and how good a man manager he was. MON is obviously good at somethinmg because he has a good CV but I think he is very limited, especially when it comes to coaching players and deploying them. The fact he played CB's at full-back at Villa suggests he looks at physical aspects of a player rather than technical abilities. sunderland are a very strong, physical and agressive side as they displayed to full effect in the first half against us. Leicester and Celtic were similar. Villa were quite different but they were still a typical MON. MON rarely does training anyway and leaves it to his coaches. KK was a proper coach in that he got involved, developed training sessions and worked with players collectively and individually. KK was also a manager, arguably the first of his kind when he first took over NUFC in that he was absolute manager. He was the coach, the secretary, the press man, the fundraiser, the fans liasion officer, you name it. Sir John Hall was once asked what he found most difficuilt running NUFC and he said "ask Kev, he's the one that runs things" That probably took its toll on him towards the end of his NUFC career and I also think he couldn't stop at just being the manager of the team or the coach at any of his other clubs or even when he came back here. He just has to be the absolute manager. That kind of figure rarely exists at a club anymore, even Fergie who controls everything to a degree, delegates pretty much most aspects of managing Man Utd, even down to teh actual training. By the way some of the snobbery regarding KK on here and down right lack of respect is despicable given what he did for us, its as if some cannot wait to mock him, even against the manager of the unwashed. Shamefull really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Agree with every word Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 By the way some of the snobbery regarding KK on here and down right lack of respect is despicable given what he did for us, its as if some cannot wait to mock him, even against the manager of the unwashed. Shamefull really. Aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 By the way some of the snobbery regarding KK on here and down right lack of respect is despicable given what he did for us, its as if some cannot wait to mock him, even against the manager of the unwashed. Shamefull really. Aye. Agree most definitely - been shocked at some of the anti-KK views I've read on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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