cp40 Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Has a habit of paying over the odds for mediocrity. add this to Sunderland as a clubs inabilty to attract decent players, Has short really got enough money to overcome the natural ceiling on their potential? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paxton Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Has a habit of paying over the odds for mediocrity. add this to Sunderland as a clubs inabilty to attract decent players, Has short really got enough money to overcome the natural ceiling on their potential? Short's loaded with cash. He's in the same boat as Ashley really, has the funds just doesn't want to invest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 O'Neill probably needs Bruce as DoF then If you expect good foreign signings good luck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Has a habit of paying over the odds for mediocrity. add this to Sunderland as a clubs inabilty to attract decent players, Has short really got enough money to overcome the natural ceiling on their potential? Short's loaded with cash. He's in the same boat as Ashley really, has the funds just doesn't want to invest. aye but has he got the stomach for it?- you would have to throw insane money at Sunderland to attract the players that would get you sustained european/ champions league football, similar to what yous have had to watch us enjoy over the years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Has a habit of paying over the odds for mediocrity. add this to Sunderland as a clubs inabilty to attract decent players, Has short really got enough money to overcome the natural ceiling on their potential? Short's loaded with cash. He's in the same boat as Ashley really, has the funds just doesn't want to invest. He can't man. FFP won't allow it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Has a habit of paying over the odds for mediocrity. add this to Sunderland as a clubs inabilty to attract decent players, Has short really got enough money to overcome the natural ceiling on their potential? Short's loaded with cash. He's in the same boat as Ashley really, has the funds just doesn't want to invest. Having a laugh? You've made massive losses the past few seasons, you're currently totally reliant on Short. Which is stark contrast to Ashley who no longer needs to invest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Yeah O'Neil has done a fine job. His transfer policy may be another matter based on his history, but doing very well. The 's***' players that O'Neill brought in got Villa 3 consecutive top 6 finishes, and European football. I'll take that. Spent beyond their means and now they're on their knees. Funnily enough, i will take that too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Where's brummie? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Has a habit of paying over the odds for mediocrity. add this to Sunderland as a clubs inabilty to attract decent players, Has short really got enough money to overcome the natural ceiling on their potential? Short's loaded with cash. He's in the same boat as Ashley really, has the funds just doesn't want to invest. What sort of impact will the new financial rules have on Sunderland? As iirc your wages to turnover is frighteningly high. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest johnson293 Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Oh great - we have another new Mackem poster on here, claiming/pretending to be the sensible one from RTG. Lets see how long it takes for this one to implode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Few journalists said only the Henderson and Bent sales make the latest Sunderland reports look half decent, unless they can do that each season I don't think their finances are that great. Dunno how much effect Carroll's sale had on ours but our wages to turnover ratio is much better I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paxton Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Has a habit of paying over the odds for mediocrity. add this to Sunderland as a clubs inabilty to attract decent players, Has short really got enough money to overcome the natural ceiling on their potential? Short's loaded with cash. He's in the same boat as Ashley really, has the funds just doesn't want to invest. aye but has he got the stomach for it?- you would have to throw insane money at Sunderland to attract the players that would get you sustained european/ champions league football, similar to what yous have had to watch us enjoy over the years. European football isn't that far away, if we finish 8th this year with practically the same squad as we had under Bruce, then I think it could be achieved in the next 2 years if we hold onto our top players and continue to invest the normal amount that we do, about 20-25 million. (not that much really) Obviously in football money talks, and any player will come to little Sunderland if you offer enough wages. My dream is to see both Newcastle and Sunderland in Europe, and fighting to make 4th place their own. Their is a great passion for football in the North East and we deserve it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Has a habit of paying over the odds for mediocrity. add this to Sunderland as a clubs inabilty to attract decent players, Has short really got enough money to overcome the natural ceiling on their potential? Short's loaded with cash. He's in the same boat as Ashley really, has the funds just doesn't want to invest. aye but has he got the stomach for it?- you would have to throw insane money at Sunderland to attract the players that would get you sustained european/ champions league football, similar to what yous have had to watch us enjoy over the years. European football isn't that far away, if we finish 8th this year with practically the same squad as we had under Bruce, then I think it could be achieved in the next 2 years if we hold onto our top players and continue to invest the normal amount that we do, about 20-25 million. (not that much really) Obviously in football money talks, and any player will come to little Sunderland if you offer enough wages. My dream is to see both Newcastle and Sunderland in Europe, and fighting to make 4th place their own. Their is a great passion for football in the North East and we deserve it. fair comments tbh. not what was hoped for Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Few journalists said only the Henderson and Bent sales make the latest Sunderland reports look half decent, unless they can do that each season I don't think their finances are that great. Dunno how much effect Carroll's sale had on ours but our wages to turnover ratio is much better I think. Well according to rtg, and I mean 99% of them believe McClean & Sess are worth at least £20m each. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 RTG has it's fair few of knackers, I'm a regular poster on there. Nice self admission. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paxton Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Oh great - we have another new Mackem poster on here, claiming/pretending to be the sensible one from RTG. Lets see how long it takes for this one to implode. The majority of mag posters on RTG seem to be WUM's, the ones that I know. However there are a few level headed mags (Midds) who I get on with. I always try to give an unbiased opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Few journalists said only the Henderson and Bent sales make the latest Sunderland reports look half decent, unless they can do that each season I don't think their finances are that great. Dunno how much effect Carroll's sale had on ours but our wages to turnover ratio is much better I think. Well according to rtg, and I mean 99% of them believe McClean & Sess are worth at least £20m each. Aye, seen a few saying that. Man City and Real to start a bidding war seemingly... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Few journalists said only the Henderson and Bent sales make the latest Sunderland reports look half decent, unless they can do that each season I don't think their finances are that great. Dunno how much effect Carroll's sale had on ours but our wages to turnover ratio is much better I think. Well according to rtg, and I mean 99% of them believe McClean & Sess are worth at least £20m each. Aye, seen a few saying that. Man City and Real to start a bidding war seemingly... In fairness, this is a world where Jordan Henderson cost £20m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Few journalists said only the Henderson and Bent sales make the latest Sunderland reports look half decent, unless they can do that each season I don't think their finances are that great. Dunno how much effect Carroll's sale had on ours but our wages to turnover ratio is much better I think. Well according to rtg, and I mean 99% of them believe McClean & Sess are worth at least £20m each. Aye, seen a few saying that. Man City and Real to start a bidding war seemingly... In fairness, this is a world where Jordan Henderson cost £20m. True, but as well as being distinctly average he was also, fortunately for him (not for us), born in England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paxton Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Few journalists said only the Henderson and Bent sales make the latest Sunderland reports look half decent, unless they can do that each season I don't think their finances are that great. Dunno how much effect Carroll's sale had on ours but our wages to turnover ratio is much better I think. Well according to rtg, and I mean 99% of them believe McClean & Sess are worth at least £20m each. Sess is worth 20 million no doubt (He could play for most clubs in the world right now), but he is starting to age and his value shall drop in the next few years, mainly because he's not English aswell. People are getting a little carried away with McClean. Was signed for 250k in the summer, but I think his value is still only about 4-5 million. Still a long way to go at this level yet, and he doesn't have a right foot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Few journalists said only the Henderson and Bent sales make the latest Sunderland reports look half decent, unless they can do that each season I don't think their finances are that great. Dunno how much effect Carroll's sale had on ours but our wages to turnover ratio is much better I think. Well according to rtg, and I mean 99% of them believe McClean & Sess are worth at least £20m each. Aye, seen a few saying that. Man City and Real to start a bidding war seemingly... In fairness, this is a world where Jordan Henderson cost £20m. True, but as well as being distinctly average he was also, fortunately for him (not for us), born in England. Don't knock it, we've made a ton of cash from it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Few journalists said only the Henderson and Bent sales make the latest Sunderland reports look half decent, unless they can do that each season I don't think their finances are that great. Dunno how much effect Carroll's sale had on ours but our wages to turnover ratio is much better I think. Well according to rtg, and I mean 99% of them believe McClean & Sess are worth at least £20m each. Sess is worth 20 million no doubt (He could play for most clubs in the world right now), but he is starting to age and his value shall drop in the next few years, mainly because he's not English aswell. People are getting a little carried away with McClean. Was signed for 250k in the summer, but I think his value is still only about 4-5 million. Still a long way to go at this level yet, and he doesn't have a right foot. Sess will force back a move to psg, you'll get around £6-8m. Might get lucky with Gyan though. Think you are right about McClean mind, and I do rate him (probably more than most on here) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Has a habit of paying over the odds for mediocrity. add this to Sunderland as a clubs inabilty to attract decent players, Has short really got enough money to overcome the natural ceiling on their potential? Short's loaded with cash. He's in the same boat as Ashley really, has the funds just doesn't want to invest. aye but has he got the stomach for it?- you would have to throw insane money at Sunderland to attract the players that would get you sustained european/ champions league football, similar to what yous have had to watch us enjoy over the years. European football isn't that far away, if we finish 8th this year with practically the same squad as we had under Bruce, then I think it could be achieved in the next 2 years if we hold onto our top players and continue to invest the normal amount that we do, about 20-25 million. (not that much really) Obviously in football money talks, and any player will come to little Sunderland if you offer enough wages. My dream is to see both Newcastle and Sunderland in Europe, and fighting to make 4th place their own. Their is a great passion for football in the North East and we deserve it. fair comments tbh. not what was hoped for :lol: Way, way too level-headed. Doesn't feel right considering our last long-term mackem was Wireside ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Wireside started off alright. I give it a week for the new lad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Wireside started off alright. I give it a week for the new lad. I'm just too easy-going. Giving him the benefit of the doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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