STM Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Ok I'm with you. Bollocks though, the trophy would change everything for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 I agree with Oldtype, if the winner of the UEFA automatically qualifies via other means the place can be given via the old format. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 The teams who have a chance to win the Uefa Cup don't tend to have a problem qualifying for it the next year so it's a waste of a prize. The FA Cup could also be a CL qualifier at a push. The current holders would probably disagree vehemently with this. Who and what? Atleti aren't in the CL this year and they weren't the year after they won the last time either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 The teams who have a chance to win the Uefa Cup don't tend to have a problem qualifying for it the next year so it's a waste of a prize. The FA Cup could also be a CL qualifier at a push. The current holders would probably disagree vehemently with this. Who and what? Atleti aren't in the CL this year and they weren't the year after they won the last time either. That's there own fault though for not qualifying via the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Also would you take that place off one of the champions league places for that nation as you could end up with only the top 2 teams in Spain qualifying for it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 The teams who have a chance to win the Uefa Cup don't tend to have a problem qualifying for it the next year so it's a waste of a prize. The FA Cup could also be a CL qualifier at a push. The current holders would probably disagree vehemently with this. Who and what? Atleti aren't in the CL this year and they weren't the year after they won the last time either. They keep qualifying for the Uefa Cup through the league which means the prize/reward doesn't mean anything to them. It means more to a team who finish lower than them if anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 The teams who have a chance to win the Uefa Cup don't tend to have a problem qualifying for it the next year so it's a waste of a prize. The FA Cup could also be a CL qualifier at a push. The current holders would probably disagree vehemently with this. Who and what? Atleti aren't in the CL this year and they weren't the year after they won the last time either. They keep qualifying for the Uefa Cup through the league which means the prize/reward doesn't mean anything to them. It means more to a team who finish lower than them if anything. Oh, I see what the problem is. We were actually talking about the idea of getting the EL winners a CL place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 The teams who have a chance to win the Uefa Cup don't tend to have a problem qualifying for it the next year so it's a waste of a prize. The FA Cup could also be a CL qualifier at a push. The current holders would probably disagree vehemently with this. Who and what? Atleti aren't in the CL this year and they weren't the year after they won the last time either. They keep qualifying for the Uefa Cup through the league which means the prize/reward doesn't mean anything to them. It means more to a team who finish lower than them if anything. Oh, I see what the problem is. We were actually talking about the idea of getting the EL winners a CL place. Where would that CL place come from? From the league the team plays in or from somewhere else? Having 5 teams from the same country would wreck the group stage format for starters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 The teams who have a chance to win the Uefa Cup don't tend to have a problem qualifying for it the next year so it's a waste of a prize. The FA Cup could also be a CL qualifier at a push. The current holders would probably disagree vehemently with this. Who and what? Atleti aren't in the CL this year and they weren't the year after they won the last time either. They keep qualifying for the Uefa Cup through the league which means the prize/reward doesn't mean anything to them. It means more to a team who finish lower than them if anything. Oh, I see what the problem is. We were actually talking about the idea of getting the EL winners a CL place. Where would that CL place come from? From the league the team plays in or from somewhere else? Having 5 teams from the same country would wreck the group stage format for starters. Then reduce the number of teams from that country, if you're that worried about it. How much of a Champion is the fourth place team, anyway? Honestly, the whole system obviously needs to be completely revamped. I really like the idea of the Europa League champion getting in - I mean, it's only one team every year FFS. Ditch the ludicrous consolation prize of a Europa League place for CL dropouts, maybe tighten up the criteria for the Europa League. I mean, Boro got absolutely gubbed in the Final by Sevilla - who would have begrudged Sevilla a place in the CL on the basis of that season? Would it really be so terrible if Boro had got in? I know that I'm saying this as a Spurs fan, but plenty of neutrals I spoke to really enjoyed watching us in the CL. We certainly did better than City have done, so far. Boro, or say, Fulham, would have been fun too - and they could be given a qualifying round anyway to get through. It would at least be better than the current self-perpetuating hegemony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/dec/05/uefa-europa-league-boost-not-scrap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 The teams who have a chance to win the Uefa Cup don't tend to have a problem qualifying for it the next year so it's a waste of a prize. The FA Cup could also be a CL qualifier at a push. The current holders would probably disagree vehemently with this. Who and what? Atleti aren't in the CL this year and they weren't the year after they won the last time either. They keep qualifying for the Uefa Cup through the league which means the prize/reward doesn't mean anything to them. It means more to a team who finish lower than them if anything. Oh, I see what the problem is. We were actually talking about the idea of getting the EL winners a CL place. Where would that CL place come from? From the league the team plays in or from somewhere else? Having 5 teams from the same country would wreck the group stage format for starters. There are rounds prior to the group stages that the team could enter you know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 If things stay the way they are then Olympiakos, Galatasaray, Celtic and Chelsea will be the 4 seeded drop outs from the CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Guess our last 32 match wont be on TV if both Spurs and Liverpool go through now that chelsea are in the mix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Last 32 so far: Seeded Рубин Kazan Металіст Kharkiv Fenerbahce Lyon Дніпро Dnipropetrovsk Olympiakos Chelsea CFR Cluj-Napoca Benfica Unseeded Inter Milan Napoli Sparta Prague Bayer Leverkusen Borussia Mönchengladbach Ajax Динамо Kiev BATE Borisov Зенит Saint Petersburg TBC Lazio Atletico Madrid Plzen Анжи Makhachkala Hannover Levante Genk Bordeaux Newcastle http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/3721/datassw.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Hope we finish 2nd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 It's in our hands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Im not sure if its better to be seeded or not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Im not sure if its better to be seeded or not? Much the muchness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Im not sure if its better to be seeded or not? Tbh i agree looking at both seeded teams and unseeded i don't see a massive difference between the two.... Chelsea are probably the strongest team there and we can't get them anyway. I'm not as bothered about it as i was before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Looks some better away trips in the unseeded pot atm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Some potentially nightmare trips in that seeded pot with possible trips to Russia and Ukraine in February!! the plus point would be those teams would be on there mid season break so may be rusty and not fully match fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 We seem to have lucked out a bit by fucking up at home against Maritimo. At this point I reckon I'd rather be unseeded! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I don't think top/second place matters much either way... there have been a lot of irrelevant European games in the last week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I think it does personally. Anyway, hope our European draw luck continues to roll strong. Unlike our domestic cup draw luck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I don't want us to scrape through. I don't want us to fear any teams going into the next round. Be it Napoli or Dnipro, I want us to play as well as we can. If we do, we can see off pretty much any team in this competition on our day. Long way to go though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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