relámpago blanco Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 we play hoof ball when we run out of ideas and teams park the bus. we don't when teams come to attack and are more open. Ran out of ideas?? We kicked it long from the very first minute. We play a passing game when we run out of ideas which confuses me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 we play hoof ball when we run out of ideas and teams park the bus. we don't when teams come to attack and are more open. sunderland did not park the bus in the first half. They weren't exactly a massive attacking threat as well. exactly. they sat deep and and waited to hit us on the break and when teams do that we don't know what to do and just hoof it. We played hoof ball first half because Sunderland were putting more effort in to retain the ball, chased us, harassed us and over ran us...so we panic and start hoofing it. Default for that should be retain ball, keep ball moving and make simple passes until our confidence rises and they burn out, we've the players to do it as well, but no, hoof it up the pitch, see what happens and 99% of the time it comes flying back and Sunderland worked like mad to get it. We didn't play our own game in the first half. Hearteningly Pardew admitted as much in the post match interview, which begs the question why we hoofed it last week when we didn't need to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Was saying in the pub that I swear Tiote didn't used to hoof it a tenth as much as he is at the minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I think some of the team selection lends us to play long ball, as much as it's a tactic we deliberately employ. Santon is on his wrong foot, Williamson and Simpson aren't comfortable bringing the ball out. Simpson's outlet is Ryan Taylor. If we could remove those issues I think we'd see better football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Was saying in the pub that I swear Tiote didn't used to hoof it a tenth as much as he is at the minute. There was a good chalkboard about how Tiote is trying far more long passes and losing the ball more because of it this season. Not sure why. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Was saying in the pub that I swear Tiote didn't used to hoof it a tenth as much as he is at the minute. There was a good chalkboard about how Tiote is trying far more long passes and losing the ball more because of it this season. Not sure why. Not likely to be of his own accord, that's for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Was saying in the pub that I swear Tiote didn't used to hoof it a tenth as much as he is at the minute. There was a good chalkboard about how Tiote is trying far more long passes and losing the ball more because of it this season. Not sure why. nicky butt syndrome, lack of options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I think lack of movement ahead and around him is the real answer probably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Get your best footballers on the pitch, concentrate more on hurting the opposition than stopping them hurting you and you're half way there imo. The longer he carries on his current mindset though the worse it's going to get. I realise 'there's only HBA being left out' is the obvious come back to this but he's our best creative player so leaving him out is a massive decision that negatively impacts on the way the team plays every week imo. In Pardew's defence we played more passing football with Saylor in the side, which does suggest that he'd be willing to do it with better players, but if he can't or won't assess it next season when we'll undoubtedly have upgrades at full back and HBA to incorporate then I want him gone and someone more progressive brought in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I think some of the team selection lends us to play long ball, as much as it's a tactic we deliberately employ. Santon is on his wrong foot, Williamson and Simpson aren't comfortable bringing the ball out. Simpson's outlet is Ryan Taylor. If we could remove those issues I think we'd see better football. I think that's all very true but other than Williamson a lot of it is self-inflicted by Pardew. Certainly Taylor in midfield and the full back situation could be tinkered with. I know people will say it's too risky but I would have involved Shane Ferguson a lot more this season at left back and switched Santon to the right. We might be a bit more vulnerable defensively but going forwards we'd be a different team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VaVaVoom Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Get your best footballers on the pitch, concentrate more on hurting the opposition than stopping them hurting you and you're half way there imo. The longer he carries on his current mindset though the worse it's going to get. I realise 'there's only HBA being left out' is the obvious come back to this but he's our best creative player so leaving him out is a massive decision that negatively impacts on the way the team plays every week imo. In Pardew's defence we played more passing football with Saylor in the side, which does suggest that he'd be willing to do it with better players, but if he can't or won't assess it next season when we'll undoubtedly have upgrades at full back and HBA to incorporate then I want him gone and someone more progressive brought in. Bang on. We are more solid with Saylor alongside Colo which gives us more security in playing more expansive football. Thing is though, if we continued to play passing football with Williamson in the side there is less chance of losing the ball and allowing the other team to attack us every 2 mins. Attack is the best form of defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I think some of the team selection lends us to play long ball, as much as it's a tactic we deliberately employ. Santon is on his wrong foot, Williamson and Simpson aren't comfortable bringing the ball out. Simpson's outlet is Ryan Taylor. If we could remove those issues I think we'd see better football. I think that's all very true but other than Williamson a lot of it is self-inflicted by Pardew. Certainly Taylor in midfield and the full back situation could be tinkered with. I know people will say it's too risky but I would have involved Shane Ferguson a lot more this season at left back and switched Santon to the right. We might be a bit more vulnerable defensively but going forwards we'd be a different team. Fair point, I just don't think it's realistic to expect Pardew to drop an established specialist fullback to bring in a youngster. I would do it, for sure, but I don't think many professional managers would. They're all pretty conservative about stuff like this. Simpson is poor, but he isn't so bad that he demands replacement at any cost. There are lots of things you could try, but it's clear that most of them aren't realistically going to happen right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VaVaVoom Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I think some of the team selection lends us to play long ball, as much as it's a tactic we deliberately employ. Santon is on his wrong foot, Williamson and Simpson aren't comfortable bringing the ball out. Simpson's outlet is Ryan Taylor. If we could remove those issues I think we'd see better football. I think that's all very true but other than Williamson a lot of it is self-inflicted by Pardew. Certainly Taylor in midfield and the full back situation could be tinkered with. I know people will say it's too risky but I would have involved Shane Ferguson a lot more this season at left back and switched Santon to the right. We might be a bit more vulnerable defensively but going forwards we'd be a different team. Fair point, I just don't think it's realistic to expect Pardew to drop an established specialist fullback to bring in a youngster. I would do it, for sure, but I don't think many professional managers would. They're all pretty conservative about stuff like this. Simpson is poor, but he isn't so bad that he demands replacement at any cost. There are lots of things you could try, but it's clear that most of them aren't realistically going to happen right now. Too true. It will be the start of next season when we bring in Pieters or alike and move Santon to RB with Simpson moving on. Thing is Raylor will still be ahead of Ferguson for LB if needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 It's all about mentality. If you go out with the sole aim of "We must not get beat", then the chances are you'll get beat. Like Venk says, if you get your best players on the pitch, play to their strengths and just have a fucking go, you'll win more matches than you lose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VaVaVoom Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 It's all about mentality. If you go out with the sole aim of "We must not get beat", then the chances are you'll get beat. Like Venk says, if you get your best players on the pitch, play to their strengths and just have a fucking go, you'll win more matches than you lose. Standard. It has always been about mentality though, we have ability in abundance. I just wish AP would get us going from KO rather than having to get us going in the second. Have have not played football for a whole 90mins in any game this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 It's all about mentality. If you go out with the sole aim of "We must not get beat", then the chances are you'll get beat. Like Venk says, if you get your best players on the pitch, play to their strengths and just have a f***ing go, you'll win more matches than you lose. +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brynn Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 There is a big difference between playing not to lose, and playing to win. With Pardew, which is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 There is a big difference between playing not to lose, and playing to win. With Pardew, which is it? I'm not sure if Pardew knows himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 http://www.billrini.com/wp-content/uploads/comical_ali.jpg "We don't play hoofball". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/if-you-know-what-i-mean-420x250.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Was pretty embarrassing when the Arsenal fans were shouting 'HOOOFFF'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkzter Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Really got to stop this shit hoof ball. We have the players to pass it about, even if we just started playing it out from Krul short would be better. We never retain the ball when we punt it forward. Dunno if I can face next season if this is gonna be Pardews one trick tactic, utter shit football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Was pretty embarrassing when the Arsenal fans were shouting 'HOOOFFF'. They were booing Krul for fuck all - couldn't care less what they were shouting tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I think some of the team selection lends us to play long ball, as much as it's a tactic we deliberately employ. Santon is on his wrong foot, Williamson and Simpson aren't comfortable bringing the ball out. Simpson's outlet is Ryan Taylor. If we could remove those issues I think we'd see better football. I think that's all very true but other than Williamson a lot of it is self-inflicted by Pardew. Certainly Taylor in midfield and the full back situation could be tinkered with. I know people will say it's too risky but I would have involved Shane Ferguson a lot more this season at left back and switched Santon to the right. We might be a bit more vulnerable defensively but going forwards we'd be a different team. why are people so insistent on accommodating Santon into the defence? Leftside /Rightside. Because we must have attacking threat from the defence? We play 4-4-2 most of the time isnt that our winger's job?, is HBA not enough of a threat down the right side that we need Santon down the rightside as well? im surprised by you Tron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I think some of the team selection lends us to play long ball, as much as it's a tactic we deliberately employ. Santon is on his wrong foot, Williamson and Simpson aren't comfortable bringing the ball out. Simpson's outlet is Ryan Taylor. If we could remove those issues I think we'd see better football. I think that's all very true but other than Williamson a lot of it is self-inflicted by Pardew. Certainly Taylor in midfield and the full back situation could be tinkered with. I know people will say it's too risky but I would have involved Shane Ferguson a lot more this season at left back and switched Santon to the right. We might be a bit more vulnerable defensively but going forwards we'd be a different team. why are people so insistent on accommodating Santon into the defence? Leftside /Rightside. Because we must have attacking threat from the defence? We play 4-4-2 most of the time isnt that our winger's job?, is HBA not enough of a threat down the right side that we need Santon down the rightside as well? im surprised by you Tron. it's the job of both, you attack and defend as a team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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