Skeletor Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 So he's gonna miss their CL qualifier? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Out of their first game. had their first game last week MATE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakie Doke Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Dunno. You'd have to be BARKing mad! Now I'll have to love you and leaf you. Two in a row! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Convenience... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Out of their first game. had their first game last week MATE Dave has been defeated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Out of their first game. had their first game last week MATE First home game, obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Out of their first game. had their first game last week MATE First home game, obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Was well impressed with the look of Lille's new 50,000 seater stadium... I wonder if it will be a game changer for Lille's future... Always got the impression they got quite small crowds even when winning the double... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Us being frugal isn't a terrible way to go in the financial climate of the game, and Pardew all but confirmed that at the talk-in last night. But it'd be absolutely f***ing scandalous if we missed out on this player over the sake of £1m, regardless of the success we've had with this policy so far. You've got to find a medium somewhere; we can't forget that Cabaye and Ben Arfa were two of the bargains of the century at less than £5m each. You can throw Ba in with that, too. Surely we can afford to relinquish our stubbornness just a bit. He's a fantastic player who would improve us immeasurably, and he wants to come here. There should be no excuses if we miss out on him. I don't think it's about being frugal as we agreed a price for him. If his value's gone up since then they have the option to sell elsewhere, but not many clubs want to pay £6m for a 27 yr old full back with no resale value otherwise he'd have been signed already. Agree with this. The longer this goes on, the less interested I am in seeing him here. It might be a good idea to see how young Tavernier goes in the position before shelling out shitloads on a 27 year old. #Speechless FFS Like a 27-year old is "old" in football. Hardly shitloads either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Exactly, tbh if he keeps himself in shape and has a good work ethic he is a valuable squad player at least for 6 years for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Ashley Cole is coming up 32 and he is by quite some distance the best fullback in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Ashley Cole is coming up 32 and he is by quite some distance the best fullback in the league. Is that really the problem in this particular deal? I was of the impression it's because once he does get to that sort of his age he won't be worth very much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 we went to six million for a 23 year old who is relatively unproven, I think they (ashley/dekka/charns) are quite rigid in their appraisals of how much a player is worth and I am sure that the mechanics to arrive at these sums are influenced by future resale value. Cabaye's post is: nail head hit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Ashley Cole is coming up 32 and he is by quite some distance the best fullback in the league. QFT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I don't see how the Cole example is that relevant, you could quote many many players who aren't worth buying at his age. I agree 27 isn't old like obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I don't see how the Cole example is that relevant, you could quote many many players who aren't worth buying at his age. I agree 27 isn't old like obviously. Even getting solid fullback work from Debuchy for 3 years would be worth it for the price, imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Well if his age was the issue then they should have pursued Clyne more vigourously. Are we buying players that are going to improve the team or to sell on for a profit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Ashley Cole is coming up 32 and he is by quite some distance the best fullback in the league. Is that really the problem in this particular deal? I was of the impression it's because once he does get to that sort of his age he won't be worth very much. Wonder how much Cole is worth? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Well if his age was the issue then they should have pursued Clyne more vigourously. Are we buying players that are going to improve the team or to sell on for a profit? The latter seems to be Ashley's top priority. But I'd say there's need for a balance between the two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Ashley Cole is coming up 32 and he is by quite some distance the best fullback in the league. Is that really the problem in this particular deal? I was of the impression it's because once he does get to that sort of his age he won't be worth very much. Wonder how much Cole is worth? Depends, are we going by the Steven Fletcher market standard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I don't see how the Cole example is that relevant, you could quote many many players who aren't worth buying at his age. I agree 27 isn't old like obviously. Even getting solid fullback work from Debuchy for 3 years would be worth it for the price, imo. I agree with you in theory, I just don't have a problem with the club pursuing their current transfer policy, which has led to some superb deals. It's up to the powers at be to decide if this is a situation where it's worth bending the rules. Hope it comes off, we'll see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Ashley Cole is coming up 32 and he is by quite some distance the best fullback in the league. Is that really the problem in this particular deal? I was of the impression it's because once he does get to that sort of his age he won't be worth very much. Wonder how much Cole is worth? Depends, are we going by the Steven Fletcher market standard? It'll be RVP market standard, think Chelsea selling to another top club who could attract Cole would still hit double figures no problem. It is all about the quality and the situation, if the player is still performing well he retains a value, if age hits him and at 32 its knackered then he's worth nowt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Anyone buying Ashley Cole now for double figures would need to have either infinite wealth or a mental illness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Anyone buying Ashley Cole now for double figures would need to have either infinite wealth or a mental illness. Wouldn't go that far, still think Ashley Cole has a good 4 or 5 years left in him. Milan bought Cafu when he was 32-33 and look how class he was for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I think the correct definition of "resale value" is not the market value of the player during the end of his contract, but the market value of the player if he fails miserably 1 year after joining us. Take Anita for example, even if he is a miss, we can still easily recoup 4m since he is relatively young and is still a Dutch international. On the other hand, if Debuchy is a miss, he actually worth nearly nothing since he is already 28 years old with the risk that he may not perform that well again. I am with Ashley this time. Too much to take if the fee is anything higher than 6m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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