LRD Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I think the homegrown rules would be a problem.. Not really. We can probably add another three foreign players without outgoings, and we have enough home-grown players in the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 He has a great name don't he Douglas Franco Teixeira, would be a superb addition to our aquad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Considering our desperate state in January, imagine if we ended up with 4 quality centre backs even the fact we are in a position to think like this is rather amusing. Reality: Colo leaves to Lorenzo, Taylor goes to Arsenal...start with Mapou and Willo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Don't think he will end up here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 We won't do it but we really should try and sign Lescott. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 We won't do it but we really should try and sign Lescott. Good player, but based on age, fee and wages Douglas is a better option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I agree but if people are wanting English and experience then Lescott is the route to go down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 If we did lose colo then I think a player like lescott would be great. As we are now though someone like Douglas is more ideal for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Douglas/Saylor with Colo (if he stays)/Mbiwa would be the strongest set of centre backs we've had in living memory. Add Santon, Debuchy and Haidara to that for the full back positions, Perch as a reliable utility man, Anita as a fallback option and the kids to add squad strength (if they don't go on loan) and we'd be looking very strong in defense at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Lescott will not be the player he was. Once you get comfortable on the bench of a big side you never recover top form. Ask Wayne Bridge. SWP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Douglas/Saylor with Colo (if he stays)/Mbiwa would be the strongest set of centre backs we've had in living memory. Add Santon, Debuchy and Haidara to that for the full back positions, Perch as a reliable utility man, Anita as a fallback option and the kids to add squad strength (if they don't go on loan) and we'd be looking very strong in defense at least. Everything you just said is quite accurate yet, adding just one player. The rest were responsible a massive amount of conceded goals. Our tactics have to change in a big way too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Aye, it's all well and good signing this lad because it sounds like a step forward, but we had everyone else already and shipped goals like it was going out of fashion. That's not down to a lack of a quality centre half, there's more to it than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Aye, it's all well and good signing this lad because it sounds like a step forward, but we had everyone else already and shipped goals like it was going out of fashion. That's not down to a lack of a quality centre half, there's more to it than that. It's the shape and setup of the whole side imo. I thought at times we were far too porous in midfield even despite the constant presence of two of Tiote, Perch and Gutierrez (or occasionally Bigirimana) in there. The shit retention of possession doesn't help too. People kept saying the ball wouldn't drop for us and we were unlucky a lot etc; Coloccini and Taylor having to deal with a few losses of possession and counter attacks a match as opposed to nearly every five minutes probably would lead to a lot less goals conceded. The whole thing is a mess, we're not set up to attack or defend really. We just shamble out onto the field in some sort of lopsided mess of a formation and get beat every week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Aye, it's all well and good signing this lad because it sounds like a step forward, but we had everyone else already and shipped goals like it was going out of fashion. That's not down to a lack of a quality centre half, there's more to it than that. It's the shape and setup of the whole side imo. I thought at times we were far too porous in midfield even despite the constant presence of two of Tiote, Perch and Gutierrez (or occasionally Bigirimana) in there. The s*** retention of possession doesn't help too. People kept saying the ball wouldn't drop for us and we were unlucky a lot etc; Coloccini and Taylor having to deal with a few losses of possession and counter attacks a match as opposed to nearly every five minutes probably would lead to a lot less goals conceded. The whole thing is a mess, we're not set up to attack or defend really. We just shamble out onto the field in some sort of lopsided mess of a formation and get beat every week. It's class watching us like On a serious note, i agree. although we play two DM's we seem to leave a massive gap in midfield. As both our DM's press and chase the ball, they leave the space in behind that is easily exploited. Couple this with attacking full backs and CB's covering for them, whilst also looking to step out to control the threat, we are exposed time and time again. If Tiote was deployed only as a DM, and asked to cover positions rather than randomly chasing everyone we might have some success. That or we press as a unit rather than in some sort of randomised selection Something i've been banging on about for yonks. Just sit a player in the middle and let him patrol that area, winning it and giving it simple. With attacking full backs you need such a player to sit there so he can drop in allowing the two centre backs to split, making a three if you will. One CB can then move across close down whichever wing is being attacked (their side). If the attack comeS down the middle then the DM is in front of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Cant keep the ball = backs to the wall job, defend defend defend, on the back foot. Doesn't matter what defenders you got. Nothing is going to change, our recruitment plan for the summer further compounds the situation, "6ft 5" players". Big central defender, big man upfront. Midfield play neglected. Pardew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Aye, it's all well and good signing this lad because it sounds like a step forward, but we had everyone else already and shipped goals like it was going out of fashion. That's not down to a lack of a quality centre half, there's more to it than that. It's the shape and setup of the whole side imo. I thought at times we were far too porous in midfield even despite the constant presence of two of Tiote, Perch and Gutierrez (or occasionally Bigirimana) in there. The s*** retention of possession doesn't help too. People kept saying the ball wouldn't drop for us and we were unlucky a lot etc; Coloccini and Taylor having to deal with a few losses of possession and counter attacks a match as opposed to nearly every five minutes probably would lead to a lot less goals conceded. The whole thing is a mess, we're not set up to attack or defend really. We just shamble out onto the field in some sort of lopsided mess of a formation and get beat every week. It's class watching us like On a serious note, i agree. although we play two DM's we seem to leave a massive gap in midfield. As both our DM's press and chase the ball, they leave the space in behind that is easily exploited. Couple this with attacking full backs and CB's covering for them, whilst also looking to step out to control the threat, we are exposed time and time again. If Tiote was deployed only as a DM, and asked to cover positions rather than randomly chasing everyone we might have some success. That or we press as a unit rather than in some sort of randomised selection Something i've been banging on about for yonks. Just sit a player in the middle and let him patrol that area, winning it and giving it simple. With attacking full backs you need such a player to sit there so he can drop in allowing the two centre backs to split, making a three if you will. One CB can then move across close down whichever wing is being attacked (their side). If the attack comeS down the middle then the DM is in front of them. Spot on. You need a player in that position to clean up and like you say drop in and fill the gaps left by the full backs.Despite tiote's obvs flaws I remember saying that he just had a knack of intercepting the ball, i dont think he's lost that. He'd be fine doing that job imo. It's so easy for our mid to get overrun when YC and CT are both chasing the ball. Leaves our CB's massively exposed. If Pards can't figure that out from simply watching the game then I've no idea how we will progress. With a three you can keep Sissoko as link man between CT and the rest of the MID front three Aye, but as littlelunchbox points out, with have a major flaw in our thinking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Cant keep the ball = backs to the wall job, defend defend defend, on the back foot. Doesn't matter what defenders you got. Nothing is going to change, or recruitment plan for the summer further compounds the situation, "6ft 5" players". Big central defender, big man upfront. Midfield play neglected. Pardew No, the midfield needs Tackles! Goals arent relied on from the hoof up front, that is just to relieve pressure. Goals com from a piece of magic against the run of play, someone like Ba, HBA or Cisse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Well, we were VERY solid defensively the season before last, especially in the first half of that season, so it's incorrect to suggest Pardew doesn't know how to set up a team to defend effectively. I feel we have suffered from a lack of stability in personnel, especially in defense where understanding and confidence in each other is crucial. I said so at the time (first half of this season) and pointed out in the first 10-15 matches we always had at least one, and often multiple changes in our back 5. Also, the quality of player coming in meant quite a drop in ability. Hopefully with more able defenders at our disposal (Mbiwa, Debuchy, Haidara and possibly Douglas/A.N.Other) and less games to play next season we can get off to a good start next season and build our confidence up again. Having a focused and committed Colo available to lead the defense is massive as well. All in all I'm pretty confident that we can do better defensively than last season. Now for being more effective going forward... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Well, we were VERY solid defensively the season before last, especially in the first half of that season, so it's incorrect to suggest Pardew doesn't know how to set up a team to defend effectively. I feel we have suffered from a lack of stability in personnel, especially in defense where understanding and confidence in each other is crucial. I said so at the time (first half of this season) and pointed out in the first 10-15 matches we always had at least one, and often multiple changes in our back 5. Also, the quality of player coming in meant quite a drop in ability. Hopefully with more able defenders at our disposal (Mbiwa, Debuchy, Haidara and possibly Douglas/A.N.Other) and less games to play next season we can get off to a good start next season and build our confidence up again. Having a focused and committed Colo available to lead the defense is massive as well. All in all I'm pretty confident that we can do better defensively than last season. Now for being more effective going forward... I'm sure Pardew knows how to make us solid and we will be if we can put out the right players enough. Last season was exceptionally bad. The question is whether his mindset will lead to us inviting more pressure than necessary. That would be an area to improve on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Three top CB's has been something we have really lacked for a long time, not saying this should be how we setup for every game but would be nice to have the possibility if needed. ------------------Krul ---------MYM----Colo---Doug Debuch------------------------Santon ---------Sisso------------Tiote ------------------Cabs -------Benny-------------Cisse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Well, we were VERY solid defensively the season before last, especially in the first half of that season, so it's incorrect to suggest Pardew doesn't know how to set up a team to defend effectively. I feel we have suffered from a lack of stability in personnel, especially in defense where understanding and confidence in each other is crucial. I said so at the time (first half of this season) and pointed out in the first 10-15 matches we always had at least one, and often multiple changes in our back 5. Also, the quality of player coming in meant quite a drop in ability. Hopefully with more able defenders at our disposal (Mbiwa, Debuchy, Haidara and possibly Douglas/A.N.Other) and less games to play next season we can get off to a good start next season and build our confidence up again. Having a focused and committed Colo available to lead the defense is massive as well. All in all I'm pretty confident that we can do better defensively than last season. Now for being more effective going forward... I'm sure Pardew knows how to make us solid and we will be if we can put out the right players enough. Last season was exceptionally bad. The question is whether his mindset will lead to us inviting more pressure than necessary. That would be an area to improve on. He didn't seem to have a clue how to last season. His attempt at it against Liverpool was a total shambles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Well, we were VERY solid defensively the season before last, especially in the first half of that season, so it's incorrect to suggest Pardew doesn't know how to set up a team to defend effectively. I feel we have suffered from a lack of stability in personnel, especially in defense where understanding and confidence in each other is crucial. I said so at the time (first half of this season) and pointed out in the first 10-15 matches we always had at least one, and often multiple changes in our back 5. Also, the quality of player coming in meant quite a drop in ability. Hopefully with more able defenders at our disposal (Mbiwa, Debuchy, Haidara and possibly Douglas/A.N.Other) and less games to play next season we can get off to a good start next season and build our confidence up again. Having a focused and committed Colo available to lead the defense is massive as well. All in all I'm pretty confident that we can do better defensively than last season. Now for being more effective going forward... I think it is correct to say Pardew is poor at setting a team up defensively. I say that more from the stand point of away form. Because i think someone put up his record since he's been here (covering the 5th place season) and it's just terrible. Were just lumbered with a poor manager, but as you said in your first post about us having a decent defence if we added Douglas, i think is true. We can only hope Pardew develops a brain in the meantime, so he uses them correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Well, we were VERY solid defensively the season before last, especially in the first half of that season, so it's incorrect to suggest Pardew doesn't know how to set up a team to defend effectively. I feel we have suffered from a lack of stability in personnel, especially in defense where understanding and confidence in each other is crucial. I said so at the time (first half of this season) and pointed out in the first 10-15 matches we always had at least one, and often multiple changes in our back 5. Also, the quality of player coming in meant quite a drop in ability. Hopefully with more able defenders at our disposal (Mbiwa, Debuchy, Haidara and possibly Douglas/A.N.Other) and less games to play next season we can get off to a good start next season and build our confidence up again. Having a focused and committed Colo available to lead the defense is massive as well. All in all I'm pretty confident that we can do better defensively than last season. Now for being more effective going forward... I'm sure Pardew knows how to make us solid and we will be if we can put out the right players enough. Last season was exceptionally bad. The question is whether his mindset will lead to us inviting more pressure than necessary. That would be an area to improve on. I'm pretty sure Pardew can't. Proof is in how many goals we have conceded under him. In his whole tenure it is terrible. Hope he surprises us next season mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Well, we were VERY solid defensively the season before last, especially in the first half of that season, so it's incorrect to suggest Pardew doesn't know how to set up a team to defend effectively. I feel we have suffered from a lack of stability in personnel, especially in defense where understanding and confidence in each other is crucial. I said so at the time (first half of this season) and pointed out in the first 10-15 matches we always had at least one, and often multiple changes in our back 5. Also, the quality of player coming in meant quite a drop in ability. Hopefully with more able defenders at our disposal (Mbiwa, Debuchy, Haidara and possibly Douglas/A.N.Other) and less games to play next season we can get off to a good start next season and build our confidence up again. Having a focused and committed Colo available to lead the defense is massive as well. All in all I'm pretty confident that we can do better defensively than last season. Now for being more effective going forward... I'm sure Pardew knows how to make us solid and we will be if we can put out the right players enough. Last season was exceptionally bad. The question is whether his mindset will lead to us inviting more pressure than necessary. That would be an area to improve on. He didn't seem to have a clue how to last season. His attempt at it against Liverpool was a total shambles. Obviously yeah, as I sad last season was bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 First half of the season before last we were (amongst the) team(s) that conceeded the least goals in the league. Did we only play at home? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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