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Whilst the 433 resulted in some good results, I think the only games where we looked a good footballing side were WBA and Stoke, two sides with nothing to play for going through the end of season motions. Generally whether it was 442 or 433 last season we were functional, hard working, disciplined and took our chances.

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I have lost all the confidence in Pardew. It´s not only because the season have started poorly point wise, but most because be play worse and worse football. We don´t have a plan and is only trying to play to stop the other team.

 

If we tried to play good football and still lost to bad players, then fair enough. But this is just crap, especially when he talks about controlling the game and play good football.

 

If he just was honest and said that he love his long balls. But then you could really argue why we have bought the players we have and not tall guys like Stoke.

 

I can't wait for you to piss off and 'support' Man City.

 

Glad somebody else said it. Bloke drives me to distraction.

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Whilst the 433 resulted in some good results, I think the only games where we looked a good footballing side were WBA and Stoke, two sides with nothing to play for going through the end of season motions. Generally whether it was 442 or 433 last season we were functional, hard working, disciplined and took our chances.

 

Liverpool? my problem with 4-4-2 for us is we get overrun in midfield don't really care what system it is but i think we should be playing 3 in the middle.

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Norwich, Reading, QPR and Stoke.

 

West Brom used to under Hodgson, tight at the back good counter attacking in a way I wouldn't mind us playing (and we did quite a bit), Mancini seems to like playing Man City like it too oddly, but I suppose intent there is to push opposition deep into opposition half with Nasri and Silva cutting in.

 

Pardew talks about controlling the game with midfield, doesn't realise as good as midfielders can be, being outnumbered is always asking for trouble. You can play two holders and hit on the counter against a 3 man midfield, you can't try and dictate the midfield though as they'll always have an extra man available for the ball.

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Even QPR hardly use it, although not a fair comparison as they are s****.

 

I have seen Southampton use it on occasion too but they seem to prefer a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 more often than not.

 

As for City it's a little different, Nasri and Silva come into midfield usually, Aguero drops deep and fullbacks push on and Barry and Toure drop in.

 

With City there's a lot of movement and interchanging to really define it as any one system.

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I have lost all the confidence in Pardew. It´s not only because the season have started poorly point wise, but most because be play worse and worse football. We don´t have a plan and is only trying to play to stop the other team.

 

If we tried to play good football and still lost to bad players, then fair enough. But this is just crap, especially when he talks about controlling the game and play good football.

 

If he just was honest and said that he love his long balls. But then you could really argue why we have bought the players we have and not tall guys like Stoke.

 

I can't wait for you to p*ss off and 'support' Man City.

 

While I agree, why so hostile Dave? You should lead by example. :lol:

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4-4-2 is an archaic formation. It has been surpassed and we showed that after switching to 4-3-3 in the Spring. Yet now he's insisting on going back to square one - frustrating.

nowt wrong with 4-4-2 if you have the personnel for it....we haven't.
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4-4-2 is an archaic formation. It has been surpassed and we showed that after switching to 4-3-3 in the Spring. Yet now he's insisting on going back to square one - frustrating.

nowt wrong with 4-4-2 if you have the personnel for it....we haven't.

 

Exactly, longball tactics may be less effective due to oppositions greater ability to control the game with the rise of possession football and reffing clamping down on rough tackles more than they used to. Still 4-4-2 provides greatest width. We don't play with that width, and anyway much rather see a formation that plays to Ben Arfa's strengths, where he can roam a bit and isn't forced to collect the ball at the half way line and do everything himself, as the strikers are too far forward to get the ball too and the midfield well marked by opposition.

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I suspect we defend better with 4-4-2, often using the wingers to help solidify the flanks. As a unit we were very difficult to break down last season even when the opposition had control of the ball for large periods.

The possible reasons we are not emulating the past performances are either we got found out that we like to sit and defend for sometime before attacking in given periods of the game or we just are not as tight as like year.

I suspect again it is a combination of both things, Likewise with most on this board, i think 4-3-3 will probably suit the players more as it would mean naturally more combinations of play even with Pardew limited amount of tactics.

I assume 4-4-2 can work very out very well for our players too, but we need a system like Man city or Man united with alot of tactics implanted into the players with movement,bombing runs, covering of players. Only reason Man City play like the ergonomic 4-4-2 is because they want to win scoring and attacking the opponents. Only reason why Newcastle play the stagnate 4-4-2 is because we want to win by keep a tight unit and score when we take our chances. The Pure difference in Philosophy and the capability of the Managers 

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4-4-2 is an archaic formation. It has been surpassed and we showed that after switching to 4-3-3 in the Spring. Yet now he's insisting on going back to square one - frustrating.

nowt wrong with 4-4-2 if you have the personnel for it....we haven't.

 

Exactly - the whole idea that, with the right players, 4-4-2 is now obsolete is ridiculous.  Each formation has advantages and disadvantages. 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 isn't necessarily a better formation than 4-4-2.

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Well, you can look at your players and use a system that best utilises their natural game, or if you're good enough, you coach them to fulfill a role in a system that you think would be most effective against the majority of the oppostion.

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Exactly - the whole idea that, with the right players, 4-4-2 is now obsolete is ridiculous.  Each formation has advantages and disadvantages. 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 isn't necessarily a better formation than 4-4-2.

 

agree, we don't have 4-4-2 players and shouldn't be playing it

 

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wigan (a) last year was a good example people should look at, iirc we'd been raping teams with 4-3-3 for a few weeks and looking amazing but wigan lined up 3-5-2 and ripped us to pieces because they had the right players playing a system that suited them

 

at about 3-0 down pards switched to 4-4-2 (iirc) or to a 5 midfield (?) to match them and we held them for a while but their suitability to their system was much better than our lack of one

 

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“I’ve made it very, very clear that if we’re going to compete with the top clubs we need to pass the ball better, and we need to retain possession. If we’re going to retain possession, we need better players.

 

???

 

Pretty much confirms the belief that many of us have: He doesn't trust Williamson/Simpson to pass the ball, i.e instructing them to hoof it long.

 

I can't for one second imagine he'd say these things and not mean a single word of it, even if our game at this moment points to the complete opposite development in terms of style.

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“I’ve made it very, very clear that if we’re going to compete with the top clubs we need to pass the ball better, and we need to retain possession. If we’re going to retain possession, we need better players.

 

???

 

What's wrong with what he's said there?

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“I’ve made it very, very clear that if we’re going to compete with the top clubs we need to pass the ball better, and we need to retain possession. If we’re going to retain possession, we need better players.

 

???

 

What's wrong with what he's said there?

 

Nothing wrong in itself, but if that's his vision he's moving further away from it if we're going to keep playing like we are atm.

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