Dave Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 You'd hope the owner, manager and players would be determined to prove that assessment wrong though. Sadly what we've produced on the pitch has so far mirrored the complete lack of ambition off it. Flash in the pan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I know that intelligence and a proper grasp of the English language are not necessarily a pre-requisite to be a successful manager, but what the fuck is Pardew on about concerning manoeuvring Obertan's toe? "Obertan has got a toe that we needed to sort out, so there has been a manoeuvre on that which put him out today and probably for Maritimo as well. He might be back for Southampton." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I assumed he means we did something about his apparent toe problem, rather than just giving him painkilling injections or whatever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I think I know what he means, it's just an incredibly strange way to say it, and as a lot of things that our esteemed manager says, makes little or no sense. AVB says similar nonsensical things but he's Porkandcheese so he has an excuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 You'd hope the owner, manager and players would be determined to prove that assessment wrong though. Sadly what we've produced on the pitch has so far mirrored the complete lack of ambition off it. Flash in the pan. Breaking into the top four without spending serious money on players and wages is close to impossible. Barring a financial fair play shaped miracle last season was the zenith of the Ashley era in terms of league position. What's left is plodding along hoping to win a cup and being force fed SportsDirect logos. I can live with the former if we play good football, the later is unpalatable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 To be honest, this is just about what we've been used to for the past decade or so and what a club in our position should be expecting for the foreseeable future. Last season was a happy fluke, but it makes this season feel that much worse. I think I'd be pretty 'meh' about the whole thing if we finished 10th last year or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Worst bit for me is knowing that we'll lose some players that I love playing for us if we don't at least repeat last season's efforts. Can't see HBA or Cabaye or Ba staying in a midtable team for long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Especially HBA im afraid of losing Such a special one. Hopefully he'll want to stay... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I know that intelligence and a proper grasp of the English language are not necessarily a pre-requisite to be a successful manager, but what the f*** is Pardew on about concerning manoeuvring Obertan's toe? "Obertan has got a toe that we needed to sort out, so there has been a manoeuvre on that which put him out today and probably for Maritimo as well. He might be back for Southampton." Bit more worrying that he sees Obertan as a potential solution for something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Worst bit for me is knowing that we'll lose some players that I love playing for us if we don't at least repeat last season's efforts. Can't see HBA or Cabaye or Ba staying in a midtable team for long. We've not looked like a midtable team this season, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 To be honest, this is just about what we've been used to for the past decade or so and what a club in our position should be expecting for the foreseeable future. Last season was a happy fluke, but it makes this season feel that much worse. I think I'd be pretty 'meh' about the whole thing if we finished 10th last year or something. I agree with that, have said the same and so have plenty of others. The problem is, we actually have a squad of players that should be aiming higher than midtable. In the past we've had a load of dross, or overpaid, past it mercenaries. Despite the lack of investment, we have a far better group of players now. The best team since the SBR days for sure and I would argue there are stronger players in certain positions. We do still have some passengers getting games, that are barely good enough for lower league sides (Willo, Simpson, Shola, Harper etc). But the rest of the squad are good enough to finish top 6-8. Not languishing in about 12th place like a Souness/Roeder team. I think that's the issue. Pards has us playing such anti-football and we can all see he wastes such talented players with his 'front foot, exciting brand of football'....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I know that intelligence and a proper grasp of the English language are not necessarily a pre-requisite to be a successful manager, but what the f*** is Pardew on about concerning manoeuvring Obertan's toe? "Obertan has got a toe that we needed to sort out, so there has been a manoeuvre on that which put him out today and probably for Maritimo as well. He might be back for Southampton." Bit more worrying that he sees Obertan as a potential solution for something. We went on an amazing run from the start of last season with Obertan playing right wing and Hatem on the bench. I'm not for a minute suggesting that we drop Hatem but moving him inside and adding Obertan's pace and directness might not be the worst idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slippery Sam Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I know that intelligence and a proper grasp of the English language are not necessarily a pre-requisite to be a successful manager, but what the f*** is Pardew on about concerning manoeuvring Obertan's toe? "Obertan has got a toe that we needed to sort out, so there has been a manoeuvre on that which put him out today and probably for Maritimo as well. He might be back for Southampton." Was it not just something about Obertan's head resembling a big toe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 What worries me more than anything is that Pardew is pretty much immune to being sacked. Not saying I want him to be sacked, but he won't feel any pressure if this continues. Shit football awarded with shit results whilst having a couple of fucking phenomenal players on our hands. I've not felt this frustration in 16 years supporting this club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 To be honest, this is just about what we've been used to for the past decade or so and what a club in our position should be expecting for the foreseeable future. Last season was a happy fluke, but it makes this season feel that much worse. I think I'd be pretty 'meh' about the whole thing if we finished 10th last year or something. True, which is why other factors in the football supporting experience are important. Like the visual integrity of the stadium, the atmosphere, the style of play, the availability of tickets for away games, the attitude to cup games, which strip we wear. In the absence of success / progress this kind of stuff takes on greater importance. ATM the club is being run entirely in the name of money but without the rewards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 The rewards of finishjng 5th and getting back into europe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I know that intelligence and a proper grasp of the English language are not necessarily a pre-requisite to be a successful manager, but what the f*** is Pardew on about concerning manoeuvring Obertan's toe? "Obertan has got a toe that we needed to sort out, so there has been a manoeuvre on that which put him out today and probably for Maritimo as well. He might be back for Southampton." Bit more worrying that he sees Obertan as a potential solution for something. We went on an amazing run from the start of last season with Obertan playing right wing and Hatem on the bench. I'm not for a minute suggesting that we drop Hatem but moving him inside and adding Obertan's pace and directness might not be the worst idea. I can't remember a run of minutes where Obertan was good, let alone games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I know that intelligence and a proper grasp of the English language are not necessarily a pre-requisite to be a successful manager, but what the f*** is Pardew on about concerning manoeuvring Obertan's toe? "Obertan has got a toe that we needed to sort out, so there has been a manoeuvre on that which put him out today and probably for Maritimo as well. He might be back for Southampton." Bit more worrying that he sees Obertan as a potential solution for something. We went on an amazing run from the start of last season with Obertan playing right wing and Hatem on the bench. I'm not for a minute suggesting that we drop Hatem but moving him inside and adding Obertan's pace and directness might not be the worst idea. I've got a pretty short memory myself, but why do people keep coming back to the idea of Obertan? He's been under par/shite for the most part, especially in Premier League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Desperate times call for desperate measures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I know that intelligence and a proper grasp of the English language are not necessarily a pre-requisite to be a successful manager, but what the f*** is Pardew on about concerning manoeuvring Obertan's toe? "Obertan has got a toe that we needed to sort out, so there has been a manoeuvre on that which put him out today and probably for Maritimo as well. He might be back for Southampton." Bit more worrying that he sees Obertan as a potential solution for something. We went on an amazing run from the start of last season with Obertan playing right wing and Hatem on the bench. I'm not for a minute suggesting that we drop Hatem but moving him inside and adding Obertan's pace and directness might not be the worst idea. I've got a pretty short memory myself, but why do people keep coming back to the idea of Obertan? He's been under par/s**** for the most part, especially in Premier League. For me it's because he would offer and outlet and provide some well-needed pace and movement to the side, no end product mind, but pace and movement. I think Ben Arfa is wasted out there because he spends half the time tracking back, which means his runs always start from deep. If we moved him inside to just behind a lone striker he'd be more of an attacking threat, but in order to do that we need to stick someone else on the right - Obertan seems like the best option at the moment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 We definitely need people to stretch the game. We basically have a team of players who all like to cut inside and play through the middle third. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I know that intelligence and a proper grasp of the English language are not necessarily a pre-requisite to be a successful manager, but what the f*** is Pardew on about concerning manoeuvring Obertan's toe? "Obertan has got a toe that we needed to sort out, so there has been a manoeuvre on that which put him out today and probably for Maritimo as well. He might be back for Southampton." Bit more worrying that he sees Obertan as a potential solution for something. We went on an amazing run from the start of last season with Obertan playing right wing and Hatem on the bench. I'm not for a minute suggesting that we drop Hatem but moving him inside and adding Obertan's pace and directness might not be the worst idea. I've got a pretty short memory myself, but why do people keep coming back to the idea of Obertan? He's been under par/s**** for the most part, especially in Premier League. For me it's because he would offer and outlet and provide some well-needed pace and movement to the side, no end product mind, but pace and movement. I think Ben Arfa is wasted out there because he spends half the time tracking back, which means his runs always start from deep. If we moved him inside to just behind a lone striker he'd be more of an attacking threat, but in order to do that we need to stick someone else on the right - Obertan seems like the best option at the moment Sounds fair enough tbf, but when he's on the pitch you just want him off again. It's time and time again, and I just can't be bothered anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Things are that bad people want to see Obertan, we really have hit the bottom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I know that intelligence and a proper grasp of the English language are not necessarily a pre-requisite to be a successful manager, but what the f*** is Pardew on about concerning manoeuvring Obertan's toe? "Obertan has got a toe that we needed to sort out, so there has been a manoeuvre on that which put him out today and probably for Maritimo as well. He might be back for Southampton." Bit more worrying that he sees Obertan as a potential solution for something. We went on an amazing run from the start of last season with Obertan playing right wing and Hatem on the bench. I'm not for a minute suggesting that we drop Hatem but moving him inside and adding Obertan's pace and directness might not be the worst idea. I've got a pretty short memory myself, but why do people keep coming back to the idea of Obertan? He's been under par/s**** for the most part, especially in Premier League. For me it's because he would offer and outlet and provide some well-needed pace and movement to the side, no end product mind, but pace and movement. I think Ben Arfa is wasted out there because he spends half the time tracking back, which means his runs always start from deep. If we moved him inside to just behind a lone striker he'd be more of an attacking threat, but in order to do that we need to stick someone else on the right - Obertan seems like the best option at the moment Sounds fair enough tbf, but when he's on the pitch you just want him off again. It's time and time again, and I just can't be bothered anymore. I wouldn't be averse to seeing Marveaux out there instead but he's looked pretty shite so far this season - at least Obertan has looked a threat at times in Europe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Obertan is our best winger since he is the only one, sadly speaking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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