Alan Pardew

[ponsaelius]

The defense is always a mess when we play an open style under pardew.

 

Yeah, because we always play such an open style 

[Shak]

I do agree that the intention was better today, we tried to keep it on the deck and pass it more than we have in most games I've seen this year. Hopefully we keep at it.

 

Have a hard time saying we were actually good tonight though. We didn't create any real chances and honestly never really looked like we would. The team still has absolutely no width and our movement in the final third is non-existent.

 

It's an improvement yes, but when an improvement constitutes finally doing something that has been ball-achingly obvious for months now then questions need to be asked.

[Dave]

Worst away run in 27 years apparently.

[soyt]

Game was over after Shola came on for HBA. He should have but Marveux on at that stage. Hoofing the ball to Hangelands head was sad to watch really. Especially, when our forwards did not make any efforts to win the ball.  I dont think we won any headers in their box. And all this after we played (= HBA played) some nice football in the second half. 

 

Jonas playing full 90 mins 

 

I would not mind him getting the sack, but Ashley porbably would just hire someone like Kinnear..

 

 

[TRon]

I feel like Ian W here.

 

Not going to stay in this thread to argue the point.  Interesting how people I normally get on alright with on here take a fairly immature, mocking tone when you dare to take a different stance.  Grow up.

 

Some of you are angry and beyond reason tonight so I'm off. We tried to play good football tonight and it didn't pay off.  I can't remember being in a much happier defeated away end than I was tonight.

 

The problem is that the result and performance don't exist in isolation because we needed to win tonight as it was our last realistic chance of an away win before the middle of January (and I'll tell you now that we'll get fuck all at Carrow Road). We're long past the point where we can take encouragement from any sort of performance unless we've given someone a real battering or been robbed by a ref and that certainly wasn't tonight. They missed much better chances than we did.

 

Well we can take heart in it if you want us to start playing good passing football with 3 in midfield.  Because we've started playing it.  We've played like shite all season and I'm convinced we've been told to play that direct football up until now.  In which case it's a bit much to expect us to immediately switch into an incisive attacking unit as soon as we switch it.

 

I hope we stick to this sort of system/style until the end of the season, because it'll start working.

 

I said it somewhere else but I'll repeat it here because I feel it's important. 4--3-3 doesn't mean playing a centre forward on the wing. If you want to play both Cisse and Ba then might as well stick to 4-4-2. I know Ba did well on the left wing last season but he doesn't look like a long term solution out wide to me. Not that it made any difference yesterday as our genius manager decided Cisse was going to play on the wing. With an ancient arthritic left back in Riise to exploit what a fucking tactical masterstroke that was!

 

Yes we attempted to pass it around, I'll give you that. Just a shame it looked totally like a Pardew after thought instead of something drilled into the team from day one. If we had a coach who really believed in it we might have worked out how to put it to good use by now instead of resorting to Shola and hoof-direct at the first sign of trouble.

 

 

[Beren]

I feel like Ian W here.

 

Not going to stay in this thread to argue the point.  Interesting how people I normally get on alright with on here take a fairly immature, mocking tone when you dare to take a different stance.  Grow up.

 

Some of you are angry and beyond reason tonight so I'm off. We tried to play good football tonight and it didn't pay off.  I can't remember being in a much happier defeated away end than I was tonight.

 

The problem is that the result and performance don't exist in isolation because we needed to win tonight as it was our last realistic chance of an away win before the middle of January (and I'll tell you now that we'll get fuck all at Carrow Road). We're long past the point where we can take encouragement from any sort of performance unless we've given someone a real battering or been robbed by a ref and that certainly wasn't tonight. They missed much better chances than we did.

 

Well we can take heart in it if you want us to start playing good passing football with 3 in midfield.  Because we've started playing it.  We've played like shite all season and I'm convinced we've been told to play that direct football up until now.  In which case it's a bit much to expect us to immediately switch into an incisive attacking unit as soon as we switch it.

 

I hope we stick to this sort of system/style until the end of the season, because it'll start working.

 

It's a fair point - particularly about us rediscovering our passing form overnight. I just disagree that we did play passing football until after we were chasing the game. Plan A was, again, to lump the ball early. It's probably not worth your time/effort, but if you have a rewatch of the first half I don't think you'll disagree with that.

 

I think the passing only really began when Fulham sat deep to protect their lead, and we had some space.

 

As my comments from the match thread attest to (below), I actually agree that we did try to approach the game in a better way in places, but even so - there was still too much lumping.

 

Seemed like there are sprouts of wanting to do the right things, but players like Jonas and Tiote seem to have forgotten how to play football. Basic passes going astray.

 

Mixture of good and bad so far. See sides of improvement (in intention if not execution) in places. Some organisation/hunger too, which is unusual of late!

 

Once we drew level (out of really un-penetrative "pressure") we actually looked a bit better. The players seem to find some belief and I was entertained (for one of the few times this season!!), but as I said - we still struggled to create openings, despite going about it in the right way.

 

I'd very much like to see passing the ball as Plan A from the off, before we're facing 8/9/10/11-men behind the ball from an opposition. That would encourage me. I mean, don't get me wrong, this was light years ahead of West Ham (h) and Swansea (h) but this is no time for fucking babysteps These are top professionals many of which with impressive track records. Inching along as the season passes us by and we are cut adrift from midtable mediocrity is not a viable option. Furthermore, I do think many of the problems in our side are instantly remediable for a decent manager.

[Skirge]

Looked angry and I think its about time they got screamed at, Pards knows Simpson & Williamson are not good enough but what can he do? MA had better fkn back him in January, non of this "its hard to get a good deal in January" bollocks pay the money sign who we need.

[steve_69]

Looked angry and I think its about time they got screamed at, Pards knows Simpson & Williamson are not good enough but what can he do? MA had better fkn back him in January, non of this "its hard to get a good deal in January" bollocks pay the money sign who we need.

 

You sure about that?

 

I hope to God you're right but i'm not convinced at all. I think he genuinely rates Williamson

[Dr Venkman]

I haven't had time to read the last umpteen pages but I can't believe I'm:

 

a) Coming home to people moaning about that performance.

and b) Agreeing (never mind being the last man standing) with Ian W.

 

I take your point about the change in attitude to the passing football. However the real worry is that it's a last resort, with these players.

 

Pardew could and should have addressed our style of play over the summer, every fan knew what our problems were last season and what this team of players should be focusing on in most games.

 

He doesn't believe in passing football, unless he changes his outlook quickly he's not turning this group of players around. The formation change and passing attitude us a positive but it needs to be a constant thing that we work on throughout the club.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I haven't had time to read the last umpteen pages but I can't believe I'm:

 

a) Coming home to people moaning about that performance.

and b) Agreeing (never mind being the last man standing) with Ian W.

 

Can't believe I'm waking up to this! Wahey!

[Guest neesy111]

Again what chances did we actually create until the Colocini header which was on the 35th minute?  They arguably should had been 2-0 up before that with Berbatov missing a sitter and having 1 shot cleared off the line.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Again what chances did we actually create until the Colocini header which was on the 35th minute?  They arguably should had been 2-0 up before that with Berbatov missing a sitter and having 1 shot cleared off the line.

 

There's no merit in this line of argument though really. Fair enough we didn't create a lot of chances, but it could easily have been 0-0 as well. Their goal was a lucky deflection.

 

We weren't brilliant, but we played well enough to deserve something out of the game. I can't see how anyone who watched it can deny that.

[colinmk]

To be fair to Interpolic, I do remember thinking in the first half probably first 20 mins or so, 'bloody hell we are trying t knock it about a bit at least'. Personally thought after we went a goal down that he thought fuck it and went back to old ways. I could be wrong but pretty sure that's what I thought.

[Lenny]

I personally think we deserved something out of the game, but my patience is wearing thin with Pardew, so I accept that I am going to be overly critical of anything less than a win from us at the moment.

[Dr Venkman]

I feel like Ian W here.

 

Not going to stay in this thread to argue the point.  Interesting how people I normally get on alright with on here take a fairly immature, mocking tone when you dare to take a different stance.  Grow up.

 

Some of you are angry and beyond reason tonight so I'm off. We tried to play good football tonight and it didn't pay off.  I can't remember being in a much happier defeated away end than I was tonight.

 

The problem is that the result and performance don't exist in isolation because we needed to win tonight as it was our last realistic chance of an away win before the middle of January (and I'll tell you now that we'll get fuck all at Carrow Road). We're long past the point where we can take encouragement from any sort of performance unless we've given someone a real battering or been robbed by a ref and that certainly wasn't tonight. They missed much better chances than we did.

 

Well we can take heart in it if you want us to start playing good passing football with 3 in midfield.  Because we've started playing it.  We've played like shite all season and I'm convinced we've been told to play that direct football up until now.  In which case it's a bit much to expect us to immediately switch into an incisive attacking unit as soon as we switch it.

 

I hope we stick to this sort of system/style until the end of the season, because it'll start working.

 

Yes we attempted to pass it around, I'll give you that. Just a shame it looked totally like a Pardew after thought instead of something drilled into the team from day one. If we had a coach who really believed in it we might have worked out how to put it to good use by now instead of resorting to Shola and hoof-direct at the first sign of trouble.

 

Completely and utterly this. It's everything we were talking about last season. Default style of play, rigid, don't move, kick it at the lad up front. Until that changes we're going nowhere.

[Guest neesy111]

Again what chances did we actually create until the Colocini header which was on the 35th minute?  They arguably should had been 2-0 up before that with Berbatov missing a sitter and having 1 shot cleared off the line.

 

There's no merit in this line of argument though really. Fair enough we didn't create a lot of chances, but it could easily have been 0-0 as well. Their goal was a lucky deflection.

 

We weren't brilliant, but we played well enough to deserve something out of the game. I can't see how anyone who watched it can deny that.

 

How?  You can't just starting playing for 45 mins in every game, you have to start off games well and continue that through the 90 mins.

 

After we went behind yes we probably deserved a point in the end, but again we started off a game on the back foot for much of 1st 40 mintues.

 

You just sound like Pardew with the lucky deflection stuff.  What about the lucky deflection for Ben Arfa's goal, for Cisse's against West Brom etc.

[Skirge]

Looked angry and I think its about time they got screamed at, Pards knows Simpson & Williamson are not good enough but what can he do? MA had better fkn back him in January, non of this "its hard to get a good deal in January" bollocks pay the money sign who we need.

 

You sure about that?

 

I hope to God you're right but i'm not convinced at all. I think he genuinely rates Williamson

 

I honestly believe its his height that gets him the nod over Perch for CB, its as though he is needed for set pieces yet he hasn't scored from one yet and he can only defend direct alls he can hoof away.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Again what chances did we actually create until the Colocini header which was on the 35th minute?  They arguably should had been 2-0 up before that with Berbatov missing a sitter and having 1 shot cleared off the line.

 

There's no merit in this line of argument though really. Fair enough we didn't create a lot of chances, but it could easily have been 0-0 as well. Their goal was a lucky deflection.

 

We weren't brilliant, but we played well enough to deserve something out of the game. I can't see how anyone who watched it can deny that.

 

How?  You can't just starting playing for 45 mins in every game, you have to start off games well and continue that through the 90 mins.

 

After we went behind yes we probably deserved a point in the end, but again we started off a game on the back foot for much of 1st 40 mintues.

 

You just sound like Pardew with the lucky deflection stuff.  What about the lucky deflection for Ben Arfa's goal, for Cisse's against West Brom etc.

 

I thought we played alright even in the first half, although we did look too easy to get at.

 

I don't understand this 'you sound like Pardew' thing, it was a deflection, that's a fact. Obviously they sometimes go for you and sometimes against, but I was talking about this particular game.

 

There's no point in discussing this really, I'm just surprised that this particular performance has led to so much venom, when actually it was reasonable.

[colinmk]

I feel like Ian W here.

 

Not going to stay in this thread to argue the point.  Interesting how people I normally get on alright with on here take a fairly immature, mocking tone when you dare to take a different stance.  Grow up.

 

Some of you are angry and beyond reason tonight so I'm off. We tried to play good football tonight and it didn't pay off.  I can't remember being in a much happier defeated away end than I was tonight.

 

The problem is that the result and performance don't exist in isolation because we needed to win tonight as it was our last realistic chance of an away win before the middle of January (and I'll tell you now that we'll get fuck all at Carrow Road). We're long past the point where we can take encouragement from any sort of performance unless we've given someone a real battering or been robbed by a ref and that certainly wasn't tonight. They missed much better chances than we did.

 

Well we can take heart in it if you want us to start playing good passing football with 3 in midfield.  Because we've started playing it.  We've played like shite all season and I'm convinced we've been told to play that direct football up until now.  In which case it's a bit much to expect us to immediately switch into an incisive attacking unit as soon as we switch it.

 

I hope we stick to this sort of system/style until the end of the season, because it'll start working.

 

Yes we attempted to pass it around, I'll give you that. Just a shame it looked totally like a Pardew after thought instead of something drilled into the team from day one. If we had a coach who really believed in it we might have worked out how to put it to good use by now instead of resorting to Shola and hoof-direct at the first sign of trouble.

 

Completely and utterly this. It's everything we were talking about last season. Default style of play, rigid, don't move, kick it at the lad up front. Until that changes we're going nowhere.

 

Yeah this would appear to be the fundamental problem with the coaching. He certainly had the players at his disposal last night.

[Guest neesy111]

Again what chances did we actually create until the Colocini header which was on the 35th minute?  They arguably should had been 2-0 up before that with Berbatov missing a sitter and having 1 shot cleared off the line.

 

There's no merit in this line of argument though really. Fair enough we didn't create a lot of chances, but it could easily have been 0-0 as well. Their goal was a lucky deflection.

 

We weren't brilliant, but we played well enough to deserve something out of the game. I can't see how anyone who watched it can deny that.

 

How?  You can't just starting playing for 45 mins in every game, you have to start off games well and continue that through the 90 mins.

 

After we went behind yes we probably deserved a point in the end, but again we started off a game on the back foot for much of 1st 40 mintues.

 

You just sound like Pardew with the lucky deflection stuff.  What about the lucky deflection for Ben Arfa's goal, for Cisse's against West Brom etc.

 

I thought we played alright even in the first half, although we did look too easy to get at.

 

I don't understand this 'you sound like Pardew' thing, it was a deflection, that's a fact. Obviously they sometimes go for you and sometimes against, but I was talking about this particular game.

 

There's no point in discussing this really, I'm just surprised that this particular performance has led to so much venom, when actually it was reasonable.

 

5 defeats in 6 games.  1 win in 10.  It's those statistics that are worrying people, especially with our run of games coming up.

 

Also we were playing against a very poor Fulham team btw.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

The lack of movement off the ball is worrying like, at times we look very static.

[Parky]

The performance was decent by recent dogshit standards yes. There was a little bit more passing and a little bit more 'hurry up' about the side. But the tactics and subs negated any chance of ever winning the game even tho we were lucky not to be 3 down by half time.

 

Pardew will never give up the long ball as his primary tactic. NEVER.

There's a reason we're top of the long ball league.

34 hit and hope crosses into the box (7 successful)

26 long punts to anyone somewhere in their half.

I'd say out of those 60 passes about 12 was to one of our players. No point in handicapping a side like this by

continually giving the ball to the other team.

No wonder he goes on about energy levels.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Again what chances did we actually create until the Colocini header which was on the 35th minute?  They arguably should had been 2-0 up before that with Berbatov missing a sitter and having 1 shot cleared off the line.

 

There's no merit in this line of argument though really. Fair enough we didn't create a lot of chances, but it could easily have been 0-0 as well. Their goal was a lucky deflection.

 

We weren't brilliant, but we played well enough to deserve something out of the game. I can't see how anyone who watched it can deny that.

 

How?  You can't just starting playing for 45 mins in every game, you have to start off games well and continue that through the 90 mins.

 

After we went behind yes we probably deserved a point in the end, but again we started off a game on the back foot for much of 1st 40 mintues.

 

You just sound like Pardew with the lucky deflection stuff.  What about the lucky deflection for Ben Arfa's goal, for Cisse's against West Brom etc.

 

I thought we played alright even in the first half, although we did look too easy to get at.

 

I don't understand this 'you sound like Pardew' thing, it was a deflection, that's a fact. Obviously they sometimes go for you and sometimes against, but I was talking about this particular game.

 

There's no point in discussing this really, I'm just surprised that this particular performance has led to so much venom, when actually it was reasonable.

 

5 defeats in 6 games.  1 win in 10.  It's those statistics that are worrying people, especially with our run of games coming up.

 

Also we were playing against a very poor Fulham team btw.

 

Sure, obviously I wouldn't argue against the results. They are very poor.

[ikri]

Looked angry and I think its about time they got screamed at, Pards knows Simpson & Williamson are not good enough but what can he do? MA had better fkn back him in January, non of this "its hard to get a good deal in January" bollocks pay the money sign who we need.

 

Simpson & Williamson are better than some of the players that West Brom, Norwich and Swansea have available yet they all play better football than us.  Even if we'd had Debuchy and A.N.Other centre-half on the pitch last night in their place what difference would it have made?  We'd have still launched hit and hope balls up to Ba and Cisse all night since that's all we've done all season.  What's the excuse for the other 9 players on the pitch?  You can't blame their inept performances on the mere existence of Simpson & Williamson. 

 

There is something fundamentally wrong with our approach to the game and replacing a couple of players won't do anything to improve the team if the overall approach to attacking is simply to launch it and hope for the best.

[Wilson]

Pards knows Simpson & Williamson are not good enough but what can he do?

 

not even sure he does considering the way he's going on with Jonas/Marveaux situation.  It's clear to everyone (except Pardew apparently) that he's been f***ing abysmal all season. 

 

Jonas' best attributes (carrying the ball, winning free kicks and work rate) have all seemed to disappear, total passenger at the minute and I just don't understand what Pardew is expecting from him at the minute. 

 

He just doesn't seem to notice, or chooses to ignore, the glaring problems.