AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I wonder if he is suffering in a weird way from having quite a likeable bunch of players. If he had Owen and Duff in his team he might be getting less of the abuse himself. Is he suffering because of his 'friendship' with Llambias and Ashley? Probably, yes. Although strangely it's probably the only thing that allows him to function as our manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 While I've been getting grief for seemingly having a sewperfan agenda, these claims of intellectual superiority of armchair/internet fans seem to be steadily increasing. We are basically amazing, that's my conclusion. Fuck off. I'm better than you, like. I go to matches, spend my work days on here AND I read the fucking papers. Got nothing on those that listen to podcasts, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Some people on this forum definitely amaze me like, there's no 2 ways about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 While I've been getting grief for seemingly having a sewperfan agenda, these claims of intellectual superiority of armchair/internet fans seem to be steadily increasing. We are basically amazing, that's my conclusion. f*** off. I'm better than you, like. I go to matches, spend my work days on here AND I read the f***ing papers. Got nothing on those that listen to podcasts, though. You're desperate to be on the highest horse Tedious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Is he still in a job ? - gutted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I think the fact that Pardew's problem seems to be with his coaching and mentality rather than selection is actually a bonus for him in terms of public opinion. You ask any supporter what their reason was for disliking Manager X was, the answer will almost always be a match day selection or a transfer issue. It's very easy for fans at the game to get angry about dropping Robert or signing Obertan, it's less easy for a lot of people to get pissed off about formation or set pieces or exactly what the players do in training. I often hear the question "well what could he have done differently last night?" as if the manager has no effect on the team outside of picking them or substituting them. One thing's true as well, that Parky mentioned, Pardew is a master of lowering expectations. Some people like that about him, I absolutely hate it because it's reflected in the way his team plays IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 While I've been getting grief for seemingly having a sewperfan agenda, these claims of intellectual superiority of armchair/internet fans seem to be steadily increasing. We are basically amazing, that's my conclusion. f*** off. I'm better than you, like. I go to matches, spend my work days on here AND I read the f***ing papers. Got nothing on those that listen to podcasts, though. You're desperate to be on the highest horse Tedious. I am on the highest horse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I think the fact that Pardew's problem seems to be with his coaching and mentality rather than selection is actually a bonus for him in terms of public opinion. You ask any supporter what their reason was for disliking Manager X was, the answer will almost always be a match day selection or a transfer issue. It's very easy for fans at the game to get angry about dropping Robert or signing Obertan, it's less easy for a lot of people to get p*ssed off about formation or set pieces or exactly what the players do in training. I often hear the question "well what could he have done differently last night?" as if the manager has no effect on the team outside of picking them or substituting them. One thing's true as well, that Parky mentioned, Pardew is a master of lowering expectations. Some people like that about him, I absolutely hate it because it's reflected in the way his team plays IMO. Another good post but can't agree about AP lowering expectations. It's only a few months since he was banging on about challenging the top four this season. He just says anything. Mostly, what he thinks people want to hear (or plays to his ego) but it is almost always stuff that sounds good but means nothing. He's wrapped himself up in a web of inconsistent rubbish and the confused message is clearly evident in the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 While I've been getting grief for seemingly having a sewperfan agenda, these claims of intellectual superiority of armchair/internet fans seem to be steadily increasing. We are basically amazing, that's my conclusion. f*** off. I'm better than you, like. I go to matches, spend my work days on here AND I read the f***ing papers. Got nothing on those that listen to podcasts, though. You're desperate to be on the highest horse Tedious. I am on the highest horse. My horse is like the trojan one, and it has a load of my soldiers inside. How do you like that shit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Sometimes I wonder what Pardew actually does when he's standing on the touchline. Other managers either sit and study the game or stand their giving out some orders to their players. He's standing 90 minutes of the game and sometimes seems like a person watching the sunset. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Sometimes I wonder what Pardew actually does when he's standing on the touchline. Other managers either sit and study the game or stand their giving out some orders to their players. He's standing 90 minutes of the game and sometimes seems like a person watching the sunset. He's cut out the pockets in his peacoat so he can wank it for 90 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Sometimes I wonder what Pardew actually does when he's standing on the touchline. Other managers either sit and study the game or stand their giving out some orders to their players. He's standing 90 minutes of the game and sometimes seems like a person watching the sunset. He's generally shouting generally encouraging things to his players, if I recall correctly.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Sometimes I wonder what Pardew actually does when he's standing on the touchline. Other managers either sit and study the game or stand their giving out some orders to their players. He's standing 90 minutes of the game and sometimes seems like a person watching the sunset. He's cut out the pockets in his peacoat so he can w*** it for 90 minutes. Him and Carver were talking for about 10 minutes last night before coming up with the masterstroke of substituting our most effective player for our least effective player, followed by 10 minutes of lumping the ball from back to front. Demonstrating his tactical genius is clearly what he does on the touchline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Sometimes I wonder what Pardew actually does when he's standing on the touchline. Other managers either sit and study the game or stand their giving out some orders to their players. He's standing 90 minutes of the game and sometimes seems like a person watching the sunset. He's very vocal on the touchline imho. I can't think of a recent manager who's been as involved from that point of view. Even Fat Sam was fairly pensive for a big fat loud mouthed bellend. Having reflected on last night, my view is that he's got some very obvious limitations with the prime one being we don't have any set style of play or approach followed by a complete lack of movement in possession. His coaching (something which he's actually been praised for from current and previous players) seems to focus more on the negative than the positive (i.e: let's worry about not getting beat and give winning a little after-thought) but he's coming in for some fierce criticism right now, some of it unfair. I genuinely think he's got a lot less time to prepare the team for matches due to the Europa schedule, we have been hampered by injuries and suspensions which, whilst not the be all and end all, have certainly contributed to a lack of consistency and have made us a very stop/start outfit. On the plus side, he's seems to 'get' the club and he's the chosen one by Ashley which means we're going to have to live with the guy. I suspect we'll reflect back in a few years and see that NUFC is the new Everton. Have some good years, have some bad years, sell some star players, buy pretty well and overall are pretty competitive. My gut feeling is that Pardew is here for the long-term the only doubt in my mind is that Ashley absolutely has a habit of being trigger happy/lethal in his business life. You only have to research the sheer volume of Directors/Senior Managers he's fired or influenced their dismissal through his equity ownership to know that once he's not happy then he's going to wield the axe. Surely though, if that time comes for Pardew he'll be having a good go back at Ashley for not being supported in the transfer market, something which any inbound coach would have to deal with. Sometimes, it's just better the devil you know. And with those two running our football club, that may not be the worst thing in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 The other thing is, I'd love to know if Carver and Stone tried to intervene with his Shola for Ben Arfa masterstroke. I still fully maintain they're not free from blame either. They're the coaches and have an input into what we practice and the way we set up. I'd love to think they will tell AP to give his head a fucking shake at times but I bet they don't. Cameras showed a shot of Carver and Pardew talking tactics/subs not long after Fulham's second. Pardew had his obligatory notebook in his hand and was pointing this way and that, Carver said something. Pardew responded. Carver tried again. (Or said something else.) Pardew pointed again and spoke. Carver looked away with a grimace and gave up. No idea what he was saying to Pards but I like to think it made sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Skeletor Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 'DON'T FOUL. DON'T FOUL.' *Tiote commits a foul* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 From my experience 'in the stands' the discontent is just as much aimed towards the board as much as it is Pardew. I've heard plenty of people venting about Pardew when coming out of the ground and walking down Barrack Road after the match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 dont know if this have been discussed or explained, but i didn´t find that strange that arfa was subbed. Maybe planned before the game...no need to push after an injury...maybe that was the reason. But putting Shola on with 20 -25 minutes left is probably the most stupid thing he has done so far. Marveaux should have been on and continued what arfa started. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Shola is a fully paid up member of the PR team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I thought I was on the highest horse, but then someone told me it was a pit pony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I thought I was on the highest horse, but then someone told me it was a pit pony. Oh Dave, Nay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 What the hell have I started FFS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 What the hell have I started FFS. Hay neesy, there's no point trotting out the remorse* (here fuck it, re-horse) now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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