steve_69 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Sometimes I wonder what Pardew actually does when he's standing on the touchline. Other managers either sit and study the game or stand their giving out some orders to their players. He's standing 90 minutes of the game and sometimes seems like a person watching the sunset. He's cut out the pockets in his peacoat so he can w*** it for 90 minutes. Him and Carver were talking for about 10 minutes last night before coming up with the masterstroke of substituting our most effective player for our least effective player, followed by 10 minutes of lumping the ball from back to front. Demonstrating his tactical genius is clearly what he does on the touchline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Sometimes I wonder what Pardew actually does when he's standing on the touchline. Other managers either sit and study the game or stand their giving out some orders to their players. He's standing 90 minutes of the game and sometimes seems like a person watching the sunset. He's very vocal on the touchline imho. I can't think of a recent manager who's been as involved from that point of view. Even Fat Sam was fairly pensive for a big fat loud mouthed bellend. Having reflected on last night, my view is that he's got some very obvious limitations with the prime one being we don't have any set style of play or approach followed by a complete lack of movement in possession. His coaching (something which he's actually been praised for from current and previous players) seems to focus more on the negative than the positive (i.e: let's worry about not getting beat and give winning a little after-thought) but he's coming in for some fierce criticism right now, some of it unfair. I genuinely think he's got a lot less time to prepare the team for matches due to the Europa schedule, we have been hampered by injuries and suspensions which, whilst not the be all and end all, have certainly contributed to a lack of consistency and have made us a very stop/start outfit. On the plus side, he's seems to 'get' the club and he's the chosen one by Ashley which means we're going to have to live with the guy. I suspect we'll reflect back in a few years and see that NUFC is the new Everton. Have some good years, have some bad years, sell some star players, buy pretty well and overall are pretty competitive. My gut feeling is that Pardew is here for the long-term the only doubt in my mind is that Ashley absolutely has a habit of being trigger happy/lethal in his business life. You only have to research the sheer volume of Directors/Senior Managers he's fired or influenced their dismissal through his equity ownership to know that once he's not happy then he's going to wield the axe. Surely though, if that time comes for Pardew he'll be having a good go back at Ashley for not being supported in the transfer market, something which any inbound coach would have to deal with. Sometimes, it's just better the devil you know. And with those two running our football club, that may not be the worst thing in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 The other thing is, I'd love to know if Carver and Stone tried to intervene with his Shola for Ben Arfa masterstroke. I still fully maintain they're not free from blame either. They're the coaches and have an input into what we practice and the way we set up. I'd love to think they will tell AP to give his head a fucking shake at times but I bet they don't. Cameras showed a shot of Carver and Pardew talking tactics/subs not long after Fulham's second. Pardew had his obligatory notebook in his hand and was pointing this way and that, Carver said something. Pardew responded. Carver tried again. (Or said something else.) Pardew pointed again and spoke. Carver looked away with a grimace and gave up. No idea what he was saying to Pards but I like to think it made sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Skeletor Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 'DON'T FOUL. DON'T FOUL.' *Tiote commits a foul* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 From my experience 'in the stands' the discontent is just as much aimed towards the board as much as it is Pardew. I've heard plenty of people venting about Pardew when coming out of the ground and walking down Barrack Road after the match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 dont know if this have been discussed or explained, but i didn´t find that strange that arfa was subbed. Maybe planned before the game...no need to push after an injury...maybe that was the reason. But putting Shola on with 20 -25 minutes left is probably the most stupid thing he has done so far. Marveaux should have been on and continued what arfa started. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Shola is a fully paid up member of the PR team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I thought I was on the highest horse, but then someone told me it was a pit pony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I thought I was on the highest horse, but then someone told me it was a pit pony. Oh Dave, Nay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 What the hell have I started FFS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 What the hell have I started FFS. Hay neesy, there's no point trotting out the remorse* (here fuck it, re-horse) now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I've given up with him now. This game week is now over and we are two points off the drop zone with impossible fixtures taking us right up to January 2nd, although we lost 5 winnable fixtures in the last few weeks so it's probably beyond that. Any manager who takes that squad of players and ends up in a relegation battle isn't good enough for the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I'd take Wenger like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 The main problem is two-fold ; Pardew has demonstrated,at least for me, that he isn't going to cut the mustard as a topclass manager - that much is obvious by the constant below-par performances he gets from players who should be doing better added to the one-dimensional style of play which doesn't produce many chances. The second part of the problem is that the people above him clearly have NO idea of how to run a football club the size of NUFC - they have demonstrated this time and again by their stupid decisions and a transfer policy which has been myopic at best and niggardly at worst. Pardew is performing to type if you look back at his record with other clubs, but the crux of the matter is that very few fans trust the owner/MD to be able to replace him with anyone better....that is why he still hasn't really come in for flak from the fans, but I have no doubt that a series of bad performances/defeats over the next few games is going to change all that. Given that both manager and board suit each other for differing reasons, we are unlikely to see him fired unless we are rooted in the bottom 3 by mid-Jan...even then, there is little chance that anyone decent would be either available or want the job, esp if the Jan transfer money has been spent so I reckon we are stuck with the situation for the foreseeable future. There is a chance - a good chance - that this mess will lead to relegation and at the very least, the better players wanting to leave the club...some of them undoubtedly do already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I'd take Wenger like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I'd take Wenger like. Doesn't like to splash the cash these days. Mike could be interested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Wenger? Never will happen though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Seeing loads of key players leaving last time wasn't that bad because I didn't like them and they weren't that good anyway. The players who'd leave this time are some of my favourite ever players. However, If we kept this squad and appointed a good manager it'd be like the Keegan days Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Wenger will be out of a job for some time, he mentally needs a rest. Think him jumping straight in to another job would be car crash unless the club was going well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Yeah Wenger looks like he's a nice sabbatical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Will never happen, but i wonder how much Wenger earns? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 The main problem is two-fold ; Pardew has demonstrated,at least for me, that he isn't going to cut the mustard as a topclass manager - that much is obvious by the constant below-par performances he gets from players who should be doing better added to the one-dimensional style of play which doesn't produce many chances. The second part of the problem is that the people above him clearly have NO idea of how to run a football club the size of NUFC - they have demonstrated this time and again by their stupid decisions and a transfer policy which has been myopic at best and niggardly at worst. Pardew is performing to type if you look back at his record with other clubs, but the crux of the matter is that very few fans trust the owner/MD to be able to replace him with anyone better....that is why he still hasn't really come in for flak from the fans, but I have no doubt that a series of bad performances/defeats over the next few games is going to change all that. Given that both manager and board suit each other for differing reasons, we are unlikely to see him fired unless we are rooted in the bottom 3 by mid-Jan...even then, there is little chance that anyone decent would be either available or want the job, esp if the Jan transfer money has been spent so I reckon we are stuck with the situation for the foreseeable future. There is a chance - a good chance - that this mess will lead to relegation and at the very least, the better players wanting to leave the club...some of them undoubtedly do already. Agree with all of that. The people saying that Pardew needs time aren't taking into account that a very low finish or relegation is going to gut the first team immediately. It will be really sad to have to watch next years carry on without the likes of Hatem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 The main problem is two-fold ; Pardew has demonstrated,at least for me, that he isn't going to cut the mustard as a topclass manager - that much is obvious by the constant below-par performances he gets from players who should be doing better added to the one-dimensional style of play which doesn't produce many chances. The second part of the problem is that the people above him clearly have NO idea of how to run a football club the size of NUFC - they have demonstrated this time and again by their stupid decisions and a transfer policy which has been myopic at best and niggardly at worst. Pardew is performing to type if you look back at his record with other clubs, but the crux of the matter is that very few fans trust the owner/MD to be able to replace him with anyone better....that is why he still hasn't really come in for flak from the fans, but I have no doubt that a series of bad performances/defeats over the next few games is going to change all that. Given that both manager and board suit each other for differing reasons, we are unlikely to see him fired unless we are rooted in the bottom 3 by mid-Jan...even then, there is little chance that anyone decent would be either available or want the job, esp if the Jan transfer money has been spent so I reckon we are stuck with the situation for the foreseeable future. There is a chance - a good chance - that this mess will lead to relegation and at the very least, the better players wanting to leave the club...some of them undoubtedly do already. Agree with all of that. The people saying that Pardew needs time aren't taking into account that a very low finish or relegation is going to gut the first team immediately. It will be really sad to have to watch next years carry on without the likes of Hatem. Spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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