Alan Pardew

[Parky]

I didn't see a lack of effort today from most, maybe a lack of motivation which players need to do themselves and the manager needs to do.

 

What I did see was a lack of a credible game plan, ultra defensive formation and tactics and a team that doesn't have a clue on set pieces which you have to question what does Pardew, Carver, Stone etc do with them in training?

 

I've always said people like Carver and such are just hangers on, from the dark ages, much like Terry Mcdermott, no matter what they always worm their way back into the club, 

 

if im not mistaken all these people ever did was just place cones out on the training field and whilst they not doing that they are tip toeing around the place being the eyes and ears of the manager, listening-in on players conversations and reporting back on who said this and that and who slagged off the gaffer.

 

Having said all this right now the biggest problem we have is the manager.

 

How do we judge Carver though, do we judge him when he was Sir Bob's number 2 and we were in the Champions League playing well and finishing in the top 5 regularly. Or now under Pardew ?.

 

My point is, Carver doesn't really have any true influences or valuable input into the team, that includes under Bobby's tenure.

 

Which makes Bobby's success even more remarkable as he done it mostly himself.

 

You can see from Bobby's time as a manager he was in another league to not only Pardew but I'd say 70% of the PL managers of today. At Barca it was said he had a great knack of just simplyfing problems and issues so the players went away thinking nothing was wrong in the first place.

[TRon]

Incidentally for those who are saying it's crazy to sack Pardew midway through the season, while I would have agreed last week, fuck that now. With Ashley there's always the chance if we get a run of good games he'll think he was right all along. From what I saw today though, even teams a division below us can make us look second class just through good organisation and good football ethics.

 

This is probably going to be the best chance we have to get rid of this charlatan. Take it or we can kiss goodbye to any chance of developing this squad into anything but a feeder club for other teams who get it right.

[Guest bimpy474]

I didn't see a lack of effort today from most, maybe a lack of motivation which players need to do themselves and the manager needs to do.

 

What I did see was a lack of a credible game plan, ultra defensive formation and tactics and a team that doesn't have a clue on set pieces which you have to question what does Pardew, Carver, Stone etc do with them in training?

 

I've always said people like Carver and such are just hangers on, from the dark ages, much like Terry Mcdermott, no matter what they always worm their way back into the club, 

 

if im not mistaken all these people ever did was just place cones out on the training field and whilst they not doing that they are tip toeing around the place being the eyes and ears of the manager, listening-in on players conversations and reporting back on who said this and that and who slagged off the gaffer.

 

Having said all this right now the biggest problem we have is the manager.

 

How do we judge Carver though, do we judge him when he was Sir Bob's number 2 and we were in the Champions League playing well and finishing in the top 5 regularly. Or now under Pardew ?.

 

My point is, Carver doesn't really have any true influences or valuable input into the team, that includes under Bobby's tenure.

 

Which makes Bobby's success even more remarkable as he done it mostly himself.

 

Could that not be said for his time under Pardew then ?

 

This mess is Pardew's, just as Sir Bob's success was his ?

[Guest bimpy474]

Do the players not take any of the responsibility then?...

 

Oh yeah, lots but he sets up the formation, tactics, is still using the same useless set penises, getting the GK to just hoy it into the box form anywhere on the pitch, the movement or lack of it.

 

But especially the mentality of the team, which takes you back to the collective responsibility, they aren't blameless but with such a defensive and defeatist manager giving them their lead, i'd say it mostly him to blame.

 

This. Good to have you back, btw Bimps.

 

Thanks mate but i was a prat and deserved my little holiday.

[littlelunchbox]

I didn't see a lack of effort today from most, maybe a lack of motivation which players need to do themselves and the manager needs to do.

 

What I did see was a lack of a credible game plan, ultra defensive formation and tactics and a team that doesn't have a clue on set pieces which you have to question what does Pardew, Carver, Stone etc do with them in training?

 

I've always said people like Carver and such are just hangers on, from the dark ages, much like Terry Mcdermott, no matter what they always worm their way back into the club, 

 

if im not mistaken all these people ever did was just place cones out on the training field and whilst they not doing that they are tip toeing around the place being the eyes and ears of the manager, listening-in on players conversations and reporting back on who said this and that and who slagged off the gaffer.

 

Having said all this right now the biggest problem we have is the manager.

 

How do we judge Carver though, do we judge him when he was Sir Bob's number 2 and we were in the Champions League playing well and finishing in the top 5 regularly. Or now under Pardew ?.

 

My point is, Carver doesn't really have any true influences or valuable input into the team, that includes under Bobby's tenure.

 

Which makes Bobby's success even more remarkable as he done it mostly himself.

 

Could that not be said for his time under Pardew then ?

 

This mess is Pardew's, just as Sir Bob's success was his ?

 

yes that was exactly my point as well. 

[joeyt]

He's gone from Pardiola to Pardowie so quickly

[Guest bimpy474]

I didn't see a lack of effort today from most, maybe a lack of motivation which players need to do themselves and the manager needs to do.

 

What I did see was a lack of a credible game plan, ultra defensive formation and tactics and a team that doesn't have a clue on set pieces which you have to question what does Pardew, Carver, Stone etc do with them in training?

 

I've always said people like Carver and such are just hangers on, from the dark ages, much like Terry Mcdermott, no matter what they always worm their way back into the club, 

 

if im not mistaken all these people ever did was just place cones out on the training field and whilst they not doing that they are tip toeing around the place being the eyes and ears of the manager, listening-in on players conversations and reporting back on who said this and that and who slagged off the gaffer.

 

Having said all this right now the biggest problem we have is the manager.

 

How do we judge Carver though, do we judge him when he was Sir Bob's number 2 and we were in the Champions League playing well and finishing in the top 5 regularly. Or now under Pardew ?.

 

My point is, Carver doesn't really have any true influences or valuable input into the team, that includes under Bobby's tenure.

 

Which makes Bobby's success even more remarkable as he done it mostly himself.

 

Could that not be said for his time under Pardew then ?

 

This mess is Pardew's, just as Sir Bob's success was his ?

 

yes that was exactly my point as well. 

 

Ahh right i see

 

In my opinion, fwiw i dont think we have enough backroom coaches for the senior team, There is a real lack of depth there just as there is in the squad.

[ExiledGeordie]

This is probably going to be the best chance we have to get rid of this charlatan. Take it or we can kiss goodbye to any chance of developing this squad into anything but a feeder club for other teams who get it right.

 

Pardew or any other manager won't have any bearing on that. That's player recruitment and what you can make in terms of profit when you sell a player on. Pardew has zero say over transfers, that is pretty clear. That's the aim of an owner who wants to run a business and make money or rather get his money back. It doesn't matter who is brought in after Pardew, I believe this will always be the ethos of Ashley.

[toon25]

Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well.

[Guest bimpy474]

I think going by what's been reported, Carr gives a list to Pardew and he then gives him his recommendation from the list. Club then tries to buy said player.

 

Can't see why another manager can't work like that. Problem for us is what manager would work for Ashley and Dekka, Carr is fine as a proper football man, which any new manager would see right away. But those two.

[Wullie]

Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well.

 

Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset.

 

Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three.

[Guest bimpy474]

Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well.

 

Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset.

 

Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three.

 

Massive worry for me that, all about sell on value, Debuchy excluded if he stayed his contract.

[Tiresias]

I wouldn't even mind if we were very competent at bringing in a load of players cheap and then selling on season after season, but this haphazard buy a few then if the good ones leave we look in massive trouble...Wigan somehow always churn up a few gems (may be getting beyond them this season actually)

[Skeletor]

“If I’m honest, I was quite happy about it [being sacked by Southampton].” “I thought I’d done a good job, but it was proving to be very, very difficult to work with the owner.” “I wouldn’t have jumped before I was pushed, but it was a difficult period working with Mr Cortese.”

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Value is obviously massively important, but I don't think it's fair to say the team needs are totally neglected. We needed goals, we got Cisse. We needed a RB and we got one, albeit too late.

 

Finances are very important to the regime obviously, but that has also led to some great signings.

[Skeletor]

Wullie is spot on. Too often we have to make do with gaping holes in our squad because the selling club wanted 'too much money' or agents wanted paying. There's being sensible and then there's just plain penny pinching. This is our 4th window needing a centre half (we need 2 really) and yet Pardew is saying it doesn't look like we'll get one again.

[Wullie]

Value is obviously massively important, but I don't think it's fair to say the team needs are totally neglected. We needed goals, we got Cisse. We needed a RB and we got one, albeit too late.

 

Finances are very important to the regime obviously, but that has also led to some great signings.

 

Give over man, since we bought Coloccini in 2008, we've spent money on one centre half. One!

[Guest bimpy474]

Value is obviously massively important, but I don't think it's fair to say the team needs are totally neglected. We needed goals, we got Cisse. We needed a RB and we got one, albeit too late.

 

Finances are very important to the regime obviously, but that has also led to some great signings.

 

Give over man, since we bought Coloccini in 2008, we've spent money on one centre half. One!

 

No. Williamson in the championship

 

Oh the humanity

[TRon]

It doesn't surprise me that people will want to make this about us not spending enough money, but that's just the reality of our position. The owner doesn't want to spend money and he's the only owner we've got or are likely to get in the near future. My only issue with him is he needs to hire a competent manager. Even if it's on the cheap, one who has some basic football common sense will do.

[huss9]

false economy in all this haggling.  we would have made the money back through a higher league placing if we'd bid an extra million or so for the players we really wanted.

[midds]

The people running the club and the team have been winging it for ages man. It collapsed in 2008-09 and worked spectacularly well in 2011-12 and this season is already a write-off.

 

There's no plan, there's no system, there's no vision. They just make it up as they go along and that applies to everything about the club. Everything. From team formations to buying players to recruiting sponsors to scouting players to coaching players to changing kit suppliers...it's everything. It's a multi-million pound business and it's being run off the cuff and that's inexcusable.

 

The most annoying thing is that the useless cunts running the gaff will see survival as success. "We've done it again lads. High five Derek... Giddyup Alan..."

 

 

[Dr. Nguyen Van Falk]

Struggling to think of a more poorly run club in the league than us. I'm trying to write out a post summing up what I believe to be wrong with the club at the moment but there's just too much s***

 

In short;

 

Lack of proper back room staff. Do we even have an attacking coach?!

 

Lack of proper youth development. How's about sending some of the young lads out on loan? Look at Bigi to see the positive effect of playing competitive football week in week out!

 

Lack of first team strengthening. Going into the season it was obvious to everyone what positions in the first XI needed strengthening. Did they do it? Of course not

 

Lack of squad depth. I literally cannot remember a time in my 15 or so years supporting this club where we have actually had a good level of squad depth. It cripples us time and time again. This for me is the big one, the main thing that needs to be addressed and never will under Ashley as he simply won't spend money on players just for them to get a game here and there.

 

Lack of improvement on the pitch. Everyone on this forum can see where our problems are on the pitch so surely Alan can too? Do they get addressed? Nah. Without a doubt the most frustrating thing for me watching us play isn't the feeling of a loss but the fact we see the same mistakes and problems week in week out. We are the WORST team in the league for set pieces bar none.

 

I actually envy Spurs. That's how a football club should be run.

[Guest bimpy474]

Struggling to think of a more poorly run club in the league than us. I'm trying to write out a post summing up what I believe to be wrong with the club at the moment but there's just too much s***

 

In short;

 

Lack of proper back room staff. Do we even have an attacking coach?!

 

Lack of proper youth development. How's about sending some of the young lads out on loan? Look at Bigi to see the positive effect of playing competitive football week in week out!

 

Lack of first team strengthening. Going into the season it was obvious to everyone what positions in the first XI needed strengthening. Did they do it? Of course not

 

Lack of squad depth. I literally cannot remember a time in my 15 or so years supporting this club where we have actually had a good level of squad depth. It cripples us time and time again. This for me is the big one, the main thing that needs to be addressed and never will under Ashley as he simply won't spend money on players just for them to get a game here and there.

 

Lack of improvement on the pitch. Everyone on this forum can see where our problems are on the pitch so surely Alan can too? Do they get addressed? Nah. Without a doubt the most frustrating thing for me watching us play isn't the feeling of a loss but the fact we see the same mistakes and problems week in week out. We are the WORST team in the league for set pieces bar none.

 

I actually envy Spurs. That's how a football club should be run.

 

Tbf we never ever sent young uns out on loan under Hoots. We have seen players go out on loan a lot under Pardew, just the wrong ones as the squad is so small.

[ponsaelius]

Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well.

 

Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset.

 

Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three.

 

This is a good point Wullie, but in a perfect world would you rather we signed players to suit Pardewball or got rid of the manager and got somebody who knows how to use Anita, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux etc?

 

To be honest, the transfer policy at an absolute basic level isn't terrible. Good players have came to the club. It just doesn't happen enough and with the intention to create a full squad, and there is simply too much stubborness over things like signing players in their peak, or making exceptions when a squad position absolutely has to be filled.  The fact that it was apparently a difficult decision to sign Debuchy because he's a year above the designated age limit is just stupidity for example. With more flexibility in terms of padding out the squad, and with a managerial/coaching set-up that can use what players he's given it could work more effictively.

 

edit: So basically what I'm saying is with massive fundamental changes and a new manager it might be good.

[Guest bimpy474]

I dont think we would have signed Anita if Guthrie had stayed.

 

Ridiculous how they have us thinking about transfers now.