Alan Pardew

[Dr. Nguyen Van Falk]

When has the squad never been small though? Part of last seasons success was down to the fact we didn't pick up any major injuries. Having an actual squad for once (crazy idea I know) would be so much more beneficial to us and actually allow us to compete in several competitions (instead of going out in the first round to Brighton...)  but the fat man clearly would never sanction spending money on squad players unless they're cheap buys.

 

Whoever said about £1M players playing like £1M players was spot on. Fucking sick of it season after season.

[Dr. Nguyen Van Falk]

Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some f***ing great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well.

 

Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset.

 

Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three.

 

Yep. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Pardew had next to no say in who we sign.

 

'Here's a new signing for you Alan, enjoy. It's not the position we need to strengthen but we reckon we can make some money on him in a few years.' seems about right.

[Guest bimpy474]

When has the squad never been small though? Part of last seasons success was down to the fact we didn't pick up any major injuries. Having an actual squad for once (crazy idea I know) would be so much more beneficial to us and actually allow us to compete in several competitions (instead of going out in the first round to Brighton...)  but the fat man clearly would never sanction spending money on squad players unless they're cheap buys.

 

Whoever said about £1M players playing like £1M players was spot on. Fucking sick of it season after season.

 

Brighton's players, Smith (blonde hair bloke) was £2.2m, are all under a million players. But their manager teaches them to pass and move. Fwiw.

[Dr. Nguyen Van Falk]

When has the squad never been small though? Part of last seasons success was down to the fact we didn't pick up any major injuries. Having an actual squad for once (crazy idea I know) would be so much more beneficial to us and actually allow us to compete in several competitions (instead of going out in the first round to Brighton...)  but the fat man clearly would never sanction spending money on squad players unless they're cheap buys.

 

Whoever said about £1M players playing like £1M players was spot on. f***ing sick of it season after season.

 

Brighton's players, Smith (blonde hair bloke) was £2.2m, are all under a million players. But their manager teaches them to pass and move. Fwiw.

 

Yeah and that's why Brighton play in the championship and we play in the PL. Their team is filled with cheap players and yet they made us look woeful, with a lot of help from us as well.

 

And your last point is going back to mine about seeing the same problems time and time again We simply don't look like a football team.

[Dave]

When has the squad never been small though? Part of last seasons success was down to the fact we didn't pick up any major injuries. Having an actual squad for once (crazy idea I know) would be so much more beneficial to us and actually allow us to compete in several competitions (instead of going out in the first round to Brighton...)  but the fat man clearly would never sanction spending money on squad players unless they're cheap buys.

 

Whoever said about £1M players playing like £1M players was spot on. Fucking sick of it season after season.

 

Brighton's players, Smith (blonde hair bloke) was £2.2m, are all under a million players. But their manager teaches them to pass and move. Fwiw.

 

The problem is a bit of both. As I said earlier, Pardew talks the talk about passing football and we've glimpses of it. But when his best players are unavailable he seems to just default to hoofing it, changing to 4-4-2 etc. He doesn't have the squad he needs, but he doesn't appear to coach what he does have properly either. It's as though the good players train completely separately to the rest.

[Dr. Nguyen Van Falk]

When has the squad never been small though? Part of last seasons success was down to the fact we didn't pick up any major injuries. Having an actual squad for once (crazy idea I know) would be so much more beneficial to us and actually allow us to compete in several competitions (instead of going out in the first round to Brighton...)  but the fat man clearly would never sanction spending money on squad players unless they're cheap buys.

 

Whoever said about £1M players playing like £1M players was spot on. f***ing sick of it season after season.

 

Brighton's players, Smith (blonde hair bloke) was £2.2m, are all under a million players. But their manager teaches them to pass and move. Fwiw.

 

The problem is a bit of both. As I said earlier, Pardew talks the talk about passing football and we've glimpses of it. But when his best players are unavailable he seems to just default to hoofing it, changing to 4-4-2 etc. He doesn't have the squad he needs, but he doesn't appear to coach what he does have properly either. It's as though the good players train completely separately to the rest.

 

Yep. I've even got to the point now that I can't get excited over who we sign as I just feel it's going to be exactly the same awful football and tactics regardless of who is in the team

[Guest bimpy474]

When has the squad never been small though? Part of last seasons success was down to the fact we didn't pick up any major injuries. Having an actual squad for once (crazy idea I know) would be so much more beneficial to us and actually allow us to compete in several competitions (instead of going out in the first round to Brighton...)  but the fat man clearly would never sanction spending money on squad players unless they're cheap buys.

 

Whoever said about £1M players playing like £1M players was spot on. f***ing sick of it season after season.

 

Brighton's players, Smith (blonde hair bloke) was £2.2m, are all under a million players. But their manager teaches them to pass and move. Fwiw.

 

Yeah and that's why Brighton play in the championship and we play in the PL. Their team is filled with cheap players and yet they made us look woeful, with a lot of help from us as well.

 

And your last point is going back to mine about seeing the same problems time and time again We simply don't look like a football team.

 

Aye, we do look a team of complete strangers. I hate that it tbh.

[Guest bimpy474]

When has the squad never been small though? Part of last seasons success was down to the fact we didn't pick up any major injuries. Having an actual squad for once (crazy idea I know) would be so much more beneficial to us and actually allow us to compete in several competitions (instead of going out in the first round to Brighton...)  but the fat man clearly would never sanction spending money on squad players unless they're cheap buys.

 

Whoever said about £1M players playing like £1M players was spot on. Fucking sick of it season after season.

 

Brighton's players, Smith (blonde hair bloke) was £2.2m, are all under a million players. But their manager teaches them to pass and move. Fwiw.

 

The problem is a bit of both. As I said earlier, Pardew talks the talk about passing football and we've glimpses of it. But when his best players are unavailable he seems to just default to hoofing it, changing to 4-4-2 etc. He doesn't have the squad he needs, but he doesn't appear to coach what he does have properly either. It's as though the good players train completely separately to the rest.

 

Missing a few players shouldn't reset a manager to factory settings though. I think it shows just how poor he actually is. When the team is fully fit the players carry him along and not the other way around.

[Wullie]

Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well.

 

Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset.

 

Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three.

 

This is a good point Wullie, but in a perfect world would you rather we signed players to suit Pardewball or got rid of the manager and got somebody who knows how to use Anita, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux etc?

 

Do you really need to ask me that?

 

But then you're just as likely to end up with a situation where New 4-3-3 Manager is bought a classic right winger who likes to cross and gets his boots covered in chalk just because he had a low release clause, and he still won't have a centre half because there weren't any going cheap.

[BONTEMPI]

Hope we get much needed bodies in and we'll see how it goes from there, but if that still doesn't address the shitty results, I don't see how getting rid can be any worse than sticking with him.

 

We'd need a foreign coach to get the best out of that lot, as the english ones simply don't make the grade.

[ryanegg]

If form doesn't improve in the next few games, it's only a matter of time before players are going to start losing confidence in him (if they haven't already). Some of the recent subs/tactics (Obertan subbed at Everton, going 4-4-2 after playing well 4-2-3-1) have been baffling me, so god knows what the players must be thinking.

[Gallowgate Toon]

Completely agree with comments made earlier today regarding instilling some confidence in the young players and his crap man management. His style and mentality is so negative when we don't have certain players available, this obvious lack of faith in the young players' ability to win playing football will come out in them no matter what sound bites he gives when in public. The lack of recognisable style is also unforgivable, what are we trying to achieve in the long run here?

 

He seems to have completely gotten muddled tactically of late too, losing the basics that he seemed to grasp in previous seasons. Playing long ball crap in a 4-3-3 with no runners, no movement and a useless lump of a striker? Make up your mind man, instead of constantly swapping and changing styles and shapes every 2 seconds.

 

I care that we lost today but I wouldn't be so annoyed if we'd actually given it a proper go, instead of letting fear take over and putting in an incredibly half-hearted performance as a consequence. They were like rabbits in headlights today, completely left hung out to dry by their boss.

[TRon]

Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well.

 

Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset.

 

Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three.

 

This is a good point Wullie, but in a perfect world would you rather we signed players to suit Pardewball or got rid of the manager and got somebody who knows how to use Anita, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux etc?

 

Do you really need to ask me that?

 

But then you're just as likely to end up with a situation where New 4-3-3 Manager is bought a classic right winger who likes to cross and gets his boots covered in chalk just because he had a low release clause, and he still won't have a centre half because there weren't any going cheap.

 

Fine, but take that to the Ashley thread. In this one I really would like to discuss Pardew and what he's producing with what's at his disposal. Are you saying he didn't have enough money and squad strength made available to him to beat Brighton twice for two years running?

[Consortium of one]

Pardew out.

[alexf]

I think keep him  for the time being ( as sick as that makes me feel) and hopefully the returning players will see us through to survival and then he simply has to go. I will lose a lot of love for this club if he is our manager next season unless he somehow turns it around and we win every game for the remainder of this one.

[Guest ToonZA]

FFS just sack the fucker and get it over and done with.

[Wullie]

Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well.

 

Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset.

 

Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three.

 

This is a good point Wullie, but in a perfect world would you rather we signed players to suit Pardewball or got rid of the manager and got somebody who knows how to use Anita, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux etc?

 

Do you really need to ask me that?

 

But then you're just as likely to end up with a situation where New 4-3-3 Manager is bought a classic right winger who likes to cross and gets his boots covered in chalk just because he had a low release clause, and he still won't have a centre half because there weren't any going cheap.

 

Fine, but take that to the Ashley thread. In this one I really would like to discuss Pardew and what he's producing with what's at his disposal. Are you saying he didn't have enough money and squad strength made available to him to beat Brighton twice for two years running?

 

Am I saying that?

 

Er... no.

[TRon]

Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well.

 

Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset.

 

Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three.

 

This is a good point Wullie, but in a perfect world would you rather we signed players to suit Pardewball or got rid of the manager and got somebody who knows how to use Anita, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux etc?

 

Do you really need to ask me that?

 

But then you're just as likely to end up with a situation where New 4-3-3 Manager is bought a classic right winger who likes to cross and gets his boots covered in chalk just because he had a low release clause, and he still won't have a centre half because there weren't any going cheap.

 

Fine, but take that to the Ashley thread. In this one I really would like to discuss Pardew and what he's producing with what's at his disposal. Are you saying he didn't have enough money and squad strength made available to him to beat Brighton twice for two years running?

 

Am I saying that?

 

Er... no.

 

well what are you saying?

[Mole_Toonfan]

I'm hoping Debuchy will do that likes to cross get boots covered in chalk job your alluding too....

 

Lord knows we need some width.

[Wullie]

Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well.

 

Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset.

 

Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three.

 

This is a good point Wullie, but in a perfect world would you rather we signed players to suit Pardewball or got rid of the manager and got somebody who knows how to use Anita, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux etc?

 

Do you really need to ask me that?

 

But then you're just as likely to end up with a situation where New 4-3-3 Manager is bought a classic right winger who likes to cross and gets his boots covered in chalk just because he had a low release clause, and he still won't have a centre half because there weren't any going cheap.

 

Fine, but take that to the Ashley thread. In this one I really would like to discuss Pardew and what he's producing with what's at his disposal. Are you saying he didn't have enough money and squad strength made available to him to beat Brighton twice for two years running?

 

Am I saying that?

 

Er... no.

 

well what are you saying?

 

Exactly what I said, that the recruitment strategy is fundamentally flawed.

[TRon]

Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well.

 

Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset.

 

Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three.

 

This is a good point Wullie, but in a perfect world would you rather we signed players to suit Pardewball or got rid of the manager and got somebody who knows how to use Anita, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux etc?

 

Do you really need to ask me that?

 

But then you're just as likely to end up with a situation where New 4-3-3 Manager is bought a classic right winger who likes to cross and gets his boots covered in chalk just because he had a low release clause, and he still won't have a centre half because there weren't any going cheap.

 

Fine, but take that to the Ashley thread. In this one I really would like to discuss Pardew and what he's producing with what's at his disposal. Are you saying he didn't have enough money and squad strength made available to him to beat Brighton twice for two years running?

 

Am I saying that?

 

Er... no.

 

well what are you saying?

 

Exactly what I said, that the recruitment strategy is fundamentally flawed.

 

So are you complaining about the players we've bought in this recruitment strategy? Which ones would you rather we had not recruited?

 

 

[Wullie]

Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well.

 

Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset.

 

Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three.

 

This is a good point Wullie, but in a perfect world would you rather we signed players to suit Pardewball or got rid of the manager and got somebody who knows how to use Anita, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux etc?

 

Do you really need to ask me that?

 

But then you're just as likely to end up with a situation where New 4-3-3 Manager is bought a classic right winger who likes to cross and gets his boots covered in chalk just because he had a low release clause, and he still won't have a centre half because there weren't any going cheap.

 

Fine, but take that to the Ashley thread. In this one I really would like to discuss Pardew and what he's producing with what's at his disposal. Are you saying he didn't have enough money and squad strength made available to him to beat Brighton twice for two years running?

 

Am I saying that?

 

Er... no.

 

well what are you saying?

 

Exactly what I said, that the recruitment strategy is fundamentally flawed.

 

So are you complaining about the players we've bought in this recruitment strategy? Which ones would you rather we had not recruited?

 

 

 

I'd rather we'd recruited a centre half and a right back before this month but we were too penny pinching. We could have the best manager in the world in place but he'd still have been having to manage with Williamson and Simpson all season.

[TRon]

Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well.

 

Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset.

 

Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three.

 

This is a good point Wullie, but in a perfect world would you rather we signed players to suit Pardewball or got rid of the manager and got somebody who knows how to use Anita, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux etc?

 

Do you really need to ask me that?

 

But then you're just as likely to end up with a situation where New 4-3-3 Manager is bought a classic right winger who likes to cross and gets his boots covered in chalk just because he had a low release clause, and he still won't have a centre half because there weren't any going cheap.

 

Fine, but take that to the Ashley thread. In this one I really would like to discuss Pardew and what he's producing with what's at his disposal. Are you saying he didn't have enough money and squad strength made available to him to beat Brighton twice for two years running?

 

Am I saying that?

 

Er... no.

 

well what are you saying?

 

Exactly what I said, that the recruitment strategy is fundamentally flawed.

 

So are you complaining about the players we've bought in this recruitment strategy? Which ones would you rather we had not recruited?

 

 

 

I'd rather we'd recruited a centre half and a right back before this month but we were too penny pinching. We could have the best manager in the world in place but he'd still have been having to manage with Williamson and Simpson all season.

 

But we got beat today by a manager with players far worse than Simpson or Williamson. Which superstar did the Brighton manager have to call on? I won't mention his name because it obviously offends too many people here, but I doubt his chairman spends any more than ours.

[Guest]

Those two players were also regulars last season pretty much also.

[Guest neesy111]

A team beat what was basically 11 individuals today.  Not rocket science stuff, but I what are we doing in training to make us look like a team, only the mackems match I seen it and that again is the least you expect from that game.