Robster Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I heard Laudrup on the radio this morning saying, in response to the comment about their fixtures building up after yesterday's draw, that he was excited at the prospect of it all. Excellent attitude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Love Laudrup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Laudrup is brilliant for sure. The conditions for him to come in were excellent TBF, and he is surpassing everyone's expectations so probably finds it easy to be positive. I do think he's class though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Just go and get Laudrup already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Not very good examples, those. Swansea's style of play has been evolving since Martinez took over absolutely yonks ago, while Liverpool are a great example of it taking quite a while to get good at that style, because so far they've struggled to adapt to it. A better example might be Mourinho coming in at Chelsea, but all we learn from that is that it's easier to impose defensive rigidity than it is to teach attacking fluidity. I'm not too sure I agree,Swansea play a very very different game to Martinez/Rodgers. Much more direct, replaced players, more forward thinking. Also If liverpool are struggling with that style, then half a season isn't too bad from where they were under Dalglish. They may not be challenging the top four but they are streets ahead of us at present. Agreed on Mourinho. He took his style and imprinted it instantly on chelsea. However, like you say Pardew has had a long time to try and implement something from the ground up. He's spectacularly failed, we dont seem to have a discernible game plan ever We have that special gameplan - the one that changes every 15 min. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Just go and get Laudrup already. I'd break the bank for him personally if that's what it took but will Ashley do it? will he f*ck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Not very good examples, those. Swansea's style of play has been evolving since Martinez took over absolutely yonks ago, while Liverpool are a great example of it taking quite a while to get good at that style, because so far they've struggled to adapt to it. A better example might be Mourinho coming in at Chelsea, but all we learn from that is that it's easier to impose defensive rigidity than it is to teach attacking fluidity. I'm not too sure I agree,Swansea play a very very different game to Martinez/Rodgers. Much more direct, replaced players, more forward thinking. Also If liverpool are struggling with that style, then half a season isn't too bad from where they were under Dalglish. They may not be challenging the top four but they are streets ahead of us at present. Agreed on Mourinho. He took his style and imprinted it instantly on chelsea. However, like you say Pardew has had a long time to try and implement something from the ground up. He's spectacularly failed, we dont seem to have a discernible game plan ever Swansea still play good football with a basic principle of retaining the ball. They just move up the pitch quicker and have more of an edge to them thanks to De Guzman and Michu mainly. He has been able to evolve there game well so far because they already have the foundations to build on. When you have a team that already know how to do the basics well and how to play it's probably helps in tweaking the style which is effectively what Laudrup has done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Just go and get Laudrup already. I would go and get Martinez the founder of the style and also nab the Swansea chairman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 What's Otto Hitzfeld up to these days? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Football is simple. Just go and get everyone and everything you need. Make a big cuppa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 ...with Newcastle being another good example of that. Pardew coming in, playing a defensive style and promising all the while that he's going to try to move in a more positive, attacking direction, then encountering problems when he tried to do it. here you go again, what exactly has he done to try and move towards a more positive attacking direction? be specific Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 So how long can we expect Pardew to need to implement a philosophy throughout the squad/club. He's been here a while now and we still look a totally different team from week to week IMO. Sometimes it's as though they don't even know what they're meant to be doing. Obviously our ludicrous recruitment policy doesn't help him, but can anyone honestly say we have an emerging style of note? I can't. I'd love to believe he's working on it but a bit more evidence would be nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 So how long can we expect Pardew to need to implement a philosophy throughout the squad/club. He's been here a while now and we still look a totally different team from week to week IMO. Sometimes it's as though they don't even know what they're meant to be doing. Obviously our ludicrous recruitment policy doesn't help him, but can anyone honestly say we have an emerging style of note? I can't. I'd love to believe he's working on it but a bit more evidence would be nice. I honestly don't think his planning has much more to it than winning the next game/magic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Just out of interest - how many clubs have a particular style of play/philosophy? I agree that Pardew's lack of work on attacking play and tactical awareness is being shown up at the moment, but I do feel that the whole philosophy is a bit woolly and possibly being overplayed. I fully expect to be torn apart for this by the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Not very good examples, those. Swansea's style of play has been evolving since Martinez took over absolutely yonks ago, while Liverpool are a great example of it taking quite a while to get good at that style, because so far they've struggled to adapt to it. A better example might be Mourinho coming in at Chelsea, but all we learn from that is that it's easier to impose defensive rigidity than it is to teach attacking fluidity. I'm not too sure I agree,Swansea play a very very different game to Martinez/Rodgers. Much more direct, replaced players, more forward thinking. Also If liverpool are struggling with that style, then half a season isn't too bad from where they were under Dalglish. They may not be challenging the top four but they are streets ahead of us at present. Agreed on Mourinho. He took his style and imprinted it instantly on chelsea. However, like you say Pardew has had a long time to try and implement something from the ground up. He's spectacularly failed, we dont seem to have a discernible game plan ever Swansea still play good football with a basic principle of retaining the ball. They just move up the pitch quicker and have more of an edge to them thanks to De Guzman and Michu mainly. He has been able to evolve there game well so far because they already have the foundations to build on. When you have a team that already know how to do the basics well and how to play it's probably helps in tweaking the style which is effectively what Laudrup has done Yeah i agree, its based on retaining the ball, so the tweaks aren't hugely significant but they are certainly more direct. We have easily the players to play that system, in fact you'd argue we are better equipped for that. I agree though perhaps Laudrup isn't the greatest example, but certainly Rodgers has completely changed Liverpool's style, and hasn't taken a particularly long time. The wide forwards have tucked in more to make a three when they have the ball. Less sideways and more fast countering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Just out of interest - how many clubs have a particular style of play/philosophy? I agree that Pardew's lack of work on attacking play and tactical awareness is being shown up at the moment, but I do feel that the whole philosophy is a bit woolly and possibly being overplayed. I fully expect to be torn apart for this by the way. ManU's came forward a bit when Red nose had the Portugese with him and they first started worrying about NOT winning the CL..Rooney was re-schooled as a deep forward/midfielder. BUT they are back to give it to the bloke who runs fast down the side and everyone run into the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Laudrup is brilliant for sure. The conditions for him to come in were excellent TBF, and he is surpassing everyone's expectations so probably finds it easy to be positive. I do think he's class though. The conditions may have been excellent in terms of the team being mostly populated with technical footballers (remind you of anything) but he was following arguably their most successful and popular manager into the job, the pressure was on. He's gone in with a positive attitude though, to the football, it's the opposite of Pardew who just shits himself at the mere hint that the opposition might be able to score a goal and sacrifices any sort of attacking intent because of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I wouldn't bring in a foreign manager right now, would have to be the summer. Just think that more often than not a foreign manager will need time to get into it and we'd probably have more of a chance of staying up with Pardew in charge for the rest of the season anyway. (talking about a manager with no experience of football in England btw not Martinez etc) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 So how long can we expect Pardew to need to implement a philosophy throughout the squad/club. He's been here a while now and we still look a totally different team from week to week IMO. Sometimes it's as though they don't even know what they're meant to be doing. Obviously our ludicrous recruitment policy doesn't help him, but can anyone honestly say we have an emerging style of note? I can't. I'd love to believe he's working on it but a bit more evidence would be nice. Thing is, we did have one last season. We had one in the first half of the season, and another in the second. Whatever team was put out, seemed to know what they were doing. We were pressing high up the pitch (led by Cabaye), and we were systematically breaking teams down on occasion. We were also pretty difficult to break down when we defended leads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I'm still astounded at the sheer vision and bravura of Swansea to just go and get Laudrup. Amazing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I'm still astounded at the sheer vision and bravura of Swansea to just go and get Laudrup. Amazing. Their chairman seems to have a smart head on him, he's gone out if his way to put the way the club should play football etc first instead of hiring any old person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Hypothetically would people advocate sacking Pardew and appointing A. N. Other (of a decent calibre) if it came at the cost of no new recruits in January? I have to say I probably would. Yes because i'm convinced a decent manager would gets required out of the players to make sure we stay up and then go again in the summer. I have lost all confidence in Pardew to do anything without the purples on the pitch so he needs the likes of Cabaye, Taylor etc etc back and also Remy and a CB brought in That wouldn't be the case with any one decent as these players should not be anywhere near relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 It'll be interesting after the Norwich game in which I expect we'll be played off the park. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Just out of interest - how many clubs have a particular style of play/philosophy? I agree that Pardew's lack of work on attacking play and tactical awareness is being shown up at the moment, but I do feel that the whole philosophy is a bit woolly and possibly being overplayed. I fully expect to be torn apart for this by the way. A 'particular style of play' to me refers more how easily and well players of lesser ability can slot into the team and do more than simply make up the numbers. Lots of teams can do this effectively, by which I mean they don't instantly turn to the turgid 'kick the ball as far as possible from our goal', ultra-negative play we've seen so regularly this season and even parts of last. Pardew's philosophy to date seems to be that if all of our best players aren't available then we simply can't do the same things, and I don't buy that. Some have excused it by saying we can't play good football with Williamson and Simpson in the side, but we managed it perfectly well during those six wins in a row last season in which they both played every minute. Sorry, Simpson was taken off with 8mins left against Stoke at 3-0. As I've said however, the ludicrous 11 purples thing doesn't help him at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Debuchy, Marveaux, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Cisse, Santon, Krul in the championship Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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