BottledDog Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 What did he say? Just that the supporters deserved better after the long journey and that he felt he could have done better. Nothing earth shattering, but seemed genuine, and was a nice gesture in amongst the usual 'Brrrrap brrrrrrrraaaaaapping'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I don't think we went there trying to forfeit the game. There is a possibility we didn't risk Colo and Papiss which might have made a difference, but beyond that we just played like shit. That is the fault of the manager and the players, some of whom went there with things to prove, and beyond Ranger, simply looked like they were less than arsed about their chance. I appreciated Rangers tweet after the game, seems he is waking up to the fact he is very close to fucking up his future. Pretty much agree with that. I don't rate Pardew as a manager but even he's not that daft to be wanting out of the cup at the first hurdle against a championship side with the results he's been producing. I just think he didn't have a great side out on the day and then got out-thought tactically as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Our only chance against Brighton was an almost full-strength team really, it was clear we were ripe for a defeat otherwise. We probably didn't forfeit the cup, but we didn't rate it enough to really want to stay in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 What did he say? Just that the supporters deserved better after the long journey and that he felt he could have done better. Nothing earth shattering, but seemed genuine, and was a nice gesture in amongst the usual 'Brrrrap brrrrrrrraaaaaapping'. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 If I believed Pardew had anywhere near Moyes' ability, I'd be more patient with him. Did you know at the time that Moyes was as good as he has proved to be or are you talking with the benefit of hindsight? I don't think many, if any, picked Moyes out to be a potential star during the lean years. This is my point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Pardew's really missed a trick by always forfeiting the cups. Win a cup, any cup and he'lll buy himself years with the fans and probably the board too. Does anyone seriously believe that Pardew forfeited the cup? What would be the point? Play a weakened team at OT is forfeiting the game, in any competition. Whatever said they put out will win. Same thing with away at Brighton. Knowing you lost their last season with a pretty strong side, you go their with a weaker side the next is forfeiting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Pardew's really missed a trick by always forfeiting the cups. Win a cup, any cup and he'lll buy himself years with the fans and probably the board too. I don't think that's the way things work, with any football club. The minute a manager is struggling, all past achievements go out the window. Ask Arsene. Had he left after the last trophy win, his replacement wouldn't have had 7 years to try and win another trophy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 The point about Moyes is a great one It's an awful point and I'm sick of reading it. There's ONE example of that working. Fergie? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Pardew's really missed a trick by always forfeiting the cups. Win a cup, any cup and he'lll buy himself years with the fans and probably the board too. I don't think that's the way things work, with any football club. The minute a manager is struggling, all past achievements go out the window. Ask Arsene. Had he left after the last trophy win, his replacement wouldn't have had 7 years to try and win another trophy. That's a token of the board's good sense, not the fans', many of whom would happily have seen him ditched at the first sign of decline Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Pardew's really missed a trick by always forfeiting the cups. Win a cup, any cup and he'lll buy himself years with the fans and probably the board too. I don't think that's the way things work, with any football club. The minute a manager is struggling, all past achievements go out the window. Ask Arsene. Had he left after the last trophy win, his replacement wouldn't have had 7 years to try and win another trophy. That's a token of the board's good sense, not the fans', many of whom would happily have seen him ditched at the first sign of decline Don't agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 The point about Moyes is a great one It's an awful point and I'm sick of reading it. There's ONE example of that working. Fergie? He'd won European trophies plus loads of league/cup trophies. Plus that was about 25 years ago and the game has changed immeasurably in terms of manager stability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Tbh I don't think Pards is the guy to trust but let's not act like Moyes had a superb managerial record. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Tbh I don't think Pards is the guy to trust but let's not act like Moyes had a superb managerial record. Who says he did? The point is that he didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I honestly believe that you could take any manager of reasonable intelligence and just flat out refuse to sack them for several years, and they'd turn out to be decent just as a function of experience and knowing the club better than anyone else. This is, of course, assuming that you don't get relegated in the mean time. Aside from a few genius-level exceptions like Mourinho, I just don't think there's a whole lot of difference in aptitude for the vast majority of professional managers. The ones who survive longer in the game whom we tend to think of as "decent managers" are just the ones who produce better short-term results. If it were up to me, the only cases where I would sack a manager would be completely losing the dressing room (Souness), complete inability to work with management (in which case they'll probably just walk anyway), or blatant insanity (Kinnear). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I felt really sorry for Souness. Thought he had the right idea when he first came in, and can more or less pinpoint the game where his plans got fucked up. Man Utd at home, Dyer and Luque either side of Shearer in a 4-3-3 and we looked like raping them for the first 20 mins. Then two injuries forced a change of system and it all fell apart. Luque nigh on snapped his hamstring, Dyer and Emre struggled all season and he never pulled it round. That 20 minutes though, with a halfway confident Luque and Dyer... Would've been a great first XI and a great way to use Shearer, had they remained fit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Ex footballers shouldn't be Managers . Generally they're all thick as fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 A lot of people mentioning Laudrup - canny interview in today's Mirror with him http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/capital-one-cup-chelsea-vs-1524738 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Felt and still feel many emotions about Souness. Sorrow isn't one of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Felt and still feel many emotions about Souness. Sorrow isn't one of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I felt really sorry for Souness. Thought he had the right idea when he first came in, and can more or less pinpoint the game where his plans got f***ed up. Man Utd at home, Dyer and Luque either side of Shearer in a 4-3-3 and we looked like raping them for the first 20 mins. Then two injuries forced a change of system and it all fell apart. Luque nigh on snapped his hamstring, Dyer and Emre struggled all season and he never pulled it round. That 20 minutes though, with a halfway confident Luque and Dyer... Would've been a great first XI and a great way to use Shearer, had they remained fit He had the perfect player for that in Bellamy but his ego clouded his judgement. I don't feel sorry for him at all. He fell by his own bad decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Feel sorry for Souness. He set this club back 5-6 years with his approach to football management. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Do you forget what you've written at the start of a sentence, by the time you get to the end? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Feel sorry for Souness. He set this club back 5-6 years with his approach to football management. More like 20, he started our whole roller-coaster towards the championship in my opinion. Freddy and Ashley just compounded it with even more stupid appointments Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I honestly believe that you could take any manager of reasonable intelligence and just flat out refuse to sack them for several years, and they'd turn out to be decent just as a function of experience and knowing the club better than anyone else. This is, of course, assuming that you don't get relegated in the mean time. Aside from a few genius-level exceptions like Mourinho, I just don't think there's a whole lot of difference in aptitude for the vast majority of professional managers. The ones who survive longer in the game whom we tend to think of as "decent managers" are just the ones who produce better short-term results. If it were up to me, the only cases where I would sack a manager would be completely losing the dressing room (Souness), complete inability to work with management (in which case they'll probably just walk anyway), or blatant insanity (Kinnear). I especially agree with the first point. Give a decent manager 6 years without relegation and they'd do pretty well. That's why fans often know the players better than management. I don't think Mou is a genius manager and I do think there's a vast difference in aptitude. However, opportunity and experience is far more important than aptitude. Some managers just aren't a good "fit" for certain clubs. A manager does need a club/side to be in their image. Sam Allardyce could only ever manage a side like Newcastle coming up from the Championship. Souness? The worst manager of NUFC. Decimated a good team and replaced them with the type of overpaid, over-the-hill, under-performing players that would get us relegated in the end. We should have never sacked SBR imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Personality and man management skills are also probably a lot more important than tactics etc. Hence Mourinho is a very good manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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