Cajun Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 This thread managed to get worse from earlier, wow It reminds me of the threads defending Souness. Were people bringing up him selling a player most didn't rate years ago as a reason to criticise him, saying that wins against good sides were only because players decided "fuck it, I'm gonna do my own thing!" and that teams who have just won a cup should be beaten because they don't care any more? If so people were just as mental back then. I don't think many (the odd nutjob) have said Pardew hasn't performed badly this season, however the sensible majority are able to accept that you can play well and still lose. Some just see loss = he did shit. It's normally the same people every week mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 His inabilty to give drive to the team at the start of the match and begining of the 2nd half is pathetic. And get that defence sorted out ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannybagoftudor Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 perhaps these players aren't quite as good as we think they are? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Were people bringing up him selling a player most didn't rate years ago as a reason to criticise him, saying that wins against good sides were only because players decided "f*** it, I'm gonna do my own thing!" and that teams who have just won a cup should be beaten because they don't care any more? If so people were just as mental back then. I don't think many (the odd nutjob) have said Pardew hasn't performed badly this season, however the sensible majority are able to accept that you can play well and still lose. Some just see loss = he did s***. It's normally the same people every week mind I'm not getting into what Souness did do or didn't do or what posters said or didn't say. I think most people will probably agree that we did play well and lost today, has anybody said that either didn't happen? The thing is, some people seem to think that losing was our fate and that we couldn't have done anything that could have changed the outcome of the game, that is utter bullshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 perhaps these players aren't quite as good as we think they are? What can you do when they don't turn up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannybagoftudor Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 exactly - good players turn up every week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 exactly - good players turn up every week. That's just not true though is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 This thread managed to get worse from earlier, wow It reminds me of the threads defending Souness. Were people bringing up him selling a player most didn't rate years ago as a reason to criticise him, saying that wins against good sides were only because players decided "f*** it, I'm gonna do my own thing!" and that teams who have just won a cup should be beaten because they don't care any more? If so people were just as mental back then. I don't think many (the odd nutjob) have said Pardew hasn't performed badly this season, however the sensible majority are able to accept that you can play well and still lose. Some just see loss = he did s***. It's normally the same people every week mind Oh man could you possibly be any more hypocritical? This THIS after the fifth. FIFTH "we finished fifth and so any criticism is not valid" tripe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 This thread managed to get worse from earlier, wow It reminds me of the threads defending Souness. Were people bringing up him selling a player most didn't rate years ago as a reason to criticise him, saying that wins against good sides were only because players decided "f*** it, I'm gonna do my own thing!" and that teams who have just won a cup should be beaten because they don't care any more? If so people were just as mental back then. I don't think many (the odd nutjob) have said Pardew hasn't performed badly this season, however the sensible majority are able to accept that you can play well and still lose. Some just see loss = he did s***. It's normally the same people every week mind Oh man could you possibly be any more hypocritical? This THIS after the fifth. FIFTH "we finished fifth and so any criticism is not valid" tripe? Where? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannybagoftudor Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 probably a tad generlistic (sic) but I truly believe good players produce week on week - they are the ones we rememeber - anyhoo it is all moot - we have some great performers - some so-so perfomers and no game plan. It's just disappointing In response to wullie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 What finally tipped it for me was the Chelsea game when we got it back to 2-2. You could visibly see him tell us to sit back and hold on to what we had. Thankfully the players thought "fuck it we can win this". Hahaha Insightful as ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Where? Perhaps if I find myself woefully bored during the week I'll dig up quotes for you. You know well what you said anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Obviously i was thinking that Marv could have come on after 70 mins or so but i could also see that Debuchy was providing a genuine threat down the right and Jonas would've been more likely to notice that and cover for him than Marv would so then it came down to who would Marv replace? Maybe Tiote with Mous dropping back along side Cabaye, again may not have changed the game much. Gouf off and Marv on the left, not sure about that either. Take off a defender? Wouldn't have done that. Hard to really put the loss down to Pardew. They are a very decent team with a very good ethos and a good manager. Despite this we were well in the game and if we had won it, i don't think Swansea could have complained too much. As it was, MYM wasn't a very able deputy for Colo and once again, Santon didn't look all that handy at defending. Me and and everyone else were happy to see those 2 starting though i'm sure. So, today was just one of those days. We deserved a point at least, came away with nothing. Ouch. Now we should go and take at the frustration of that on Anzhi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Where? Perhaps if I find myself woefully bored during the week I'll dig up quotes for you. You know well what you said anyway. I have said last season should have given him a bit of breathing room, I have also criticised poor results/performances. That is completely different to what you have accused me of. You find any different I will hold my hands up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 We could have won, we might have drawn, but we ended up losing in a game of few chances. I don't think we created enough genuine opportunities to be upset about coming out losers. Cisse had one effort, and Gouffran had another coming in from wide. The rest were long range efforts for the most part. Pardew set out a team to snatch a win, and they snatched a loss instead. Personally I think we had the players to have won this game if we'd shown some real intent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 With the way our defence looked rather shaky, I don't think going for it would have gone that well, against teams that move the ball like swansea, you need to be tight and compact as well as carrying the attacking threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 With the way our defence looked rather shaky, I don't think going for it would have gone that well, against teams that move the ball like swansea, you need to be tight and compact as well as carrying the attacking threat. Yes, with their massive potential attacking threats like Routledge and Nathan Dyer, it's best to play safe obviously. Especially since they move it around so well just by chance probably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 We could have won, we might have drawn, but we ended up losing in a game of few chances. I don't think we created enough genuine opportunities to be upset about coming out losers. Cisse had one effort, and Gouffran had another coming in from wide. The rest were long range efforts for the most part. Pardew set out a team to snatch a win, and they snatched a loss instead. Personally I think we had the players to have won this game if we'd shown some real intent. I was only able to see a good part of the second half due to a social committment, but I agree with the general gist of Tron's post - we hardly created any chances at all in the box and most of the goal efforts were from long range, Cabaye and Sissoko coming closest to scoring. Cisse looks a shadow of the player from last season and we are going to need a good striker with pace in the summer. We should have got something from the game, it looked a 0-0 all over for most of the second half but an amateurish piece of defending cost us the game and it was too close to the end to respond. Debuchy looked good going forward and is one of the best crossers in the side but he was left standing when their forward turned him to get the cross in for their winner...once again, Santon's defensive limitations were shown up in the general melee but the whole defence was at sea when they scored. That doesn't hide the fact that we should have been in front by then but no really clear chances created in their box. We have better players than them on paper - but I have a feeling we'll be saying this quite a bit over the rest of the season.....as for the Pardew debate, most people know what I think so there is no point in revisiting it. We have some class players and, as Tron says, some moderate ones but we are not looking like a side who will score many goals.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Whatever anyone says in the thread about Pardew, the poll results for either 'Yes, lost faith' or 'Never had any' together still outnumber the believers...by a considerable margin. This despite another lemon being thrown into the mix by adding 'Never lost any;...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 With the way our defence looked rather shaky, I don't think going for it would have gone that well, against teams that move the ball like swansea, you need to be tight and compact as well as carrying the attacking threat. Yes, with their massive potential attacking threats like Routledge and Nathan Dyer, it's best to play safe obviously. Especially since they move it around so well just by chance probably. Start making sense please. Such a horrifically bad poster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I don't give a damn how well or how poor we played today, under Pardew we are a very poor team in the main and that is down to him and his coaching staff. He has to go, but won't so I expect another season like this one next year. Only with a bigger fall-out as our better players look elsewhere to play. Let's put some money on that. I think you're talking complete shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Pardew set pieces are so ineffective, why don't we do something about it. There is so much room to improve with this team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 The level of talent Pardew has as a manager is the equivalent of Ryan Taylors talent as a player. He's pretty average. We would need someone better if we are to get this squad to perform as it could, but it's never happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniatmoko Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 The level of talent Pardew has as a manager is the equivalent of Ryan Taylors talent as a player. He's pretty average. We would need someone better if we are to get this squad to perform as it could, but it's never happening. true.... we got 5th last season arent because pardew tactical genius but we really relying win games because players produce moment of magics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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