Mick Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Aye, howay lads there's been nowhere near enough Pardew-bashing in this last couple of pages! Are we fighting agains relegation because Vurnon Anita isn't physical enough? No, move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Argh, man, come on. That's not what I'm saying. No, you don't need to be an entirely 'physical' player to succeed, but you do require at least enough strength to compete. So far, he hasn't shown that, for me. I wanna get physicaaaaaal, LET'S GET INTO PHYSICAL! Ashley Young? I'm not sure how suddenly Anita is constantly brushed off the ball? Its another "Cabaye hasn't got any stamina" myths. imo. Anita seemed to do okay at Ajax, he's made a pretty decent career out of it. Suddenly he's at Newcastle and he's "weak, can't compete physically". The premier league now is not the premier league of the 90s. Whilst the physical CB still exists, the league is not "blood and thunder" anymore. Tiote's pretty strong right? seen him get knocked off the ball a few times. It's not sudden, like, it's been that way since the start of the season. If you haven't noticed that, then I don't really know what to say. :lol:I've seen him get knocked off the ball, yes. Is he p*ss weak, and unable to hold onto the ball. Absolutely not. This is a ridiculous discussion. As I've pointed out he did okay at Ajax, a far greater club than ours. There are physical players in the dutch league you know? I'm done, thanks. Great, cheers for the discussion. Remind me not to bother trying to discuss anything with an utter bell like yourself again. Nice guy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Aye, howay lads there's been nowhere near enough Pardew-bashing in this last couple of pages! Are we fighting agains relegation because Vurnon Anita isn't physical enough? No, move on. No we are fighting relegation clearly because we don't have enough strong players like jonas that dont get brushed off the ball like. Lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 In more advanced persons, I don't think physicality matters. However, in Anita's role, you either have to be technically very sound and quick in possession, or strong. You wouldn't notice him getting brushed off the ball as much if he guarded it better or had a sounder touch. Should definitely look to either add weight sessions into his training or just give up on him tbh. Pretty sure Ajax will have taught him well. Leon Brittan does alright? Joe Allen? Technially better than Anita. I'd say not Actuallu think he's 1st touch has been often a bit heavy. Put that down to confidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Aye, howay lads there's been nowhere near enough Pardew-bashing in this last couple of pages! Are we fighting agains relegation because Vurnon Anita isn't physical enough? No, move on. Just mentioned in the Tiote thread, I think the reason Anita is struggling is there's just no movement for him when he's on the ball, which for a player from the Ajax academy must be pretty bewildering. Pardew needs to be putting a lot more focus on our off the ball movement. A LOT more. Ironically we'll get to see what this should look like at West Brom this weekend... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Just mentioned in the Tiote thread, I think the reason Anita is struggling is there's just no movement for him when he's on the ball, which for a player from the Ajax academy must be pretty bewildering. Pardew needs to be putting a lot more focus on our off the ball movement. A LOT more. Ironically we'll get to see what this should look like at West Brom this weekend... The whole team is struggling because of that and we have done for most of this season and probably a lot of last season when we were relying on players individually getting us through games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 It's about shape not movement silly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I feel sorry for the lad. Doesn't even have his own thread, just has to make substitute appearances in other threads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Argh, man, come on. That's not what I'm saying. No, you don't need to be an entirely 'physical' player to succeed, but you do require at least enough strength to compete. So far, he hasn't shown that, for me. I wanna get physicaaaaaal, LET'S GET INTO PHYSICAL! Ashley Young? I'm not sure how suddenly Anita is constantly brushed off the ball? Its another "Cabaye hasn't got any stamina" myths. imo. Anita seemed to do okay at Ajax, he's made a pretty decent career out of it. Suddenly he's at Newcastle and he's "weak, can't compete physically". The premier league now is not the premier league of the 90s. Whilst the physical CB still exists, the league is not "blood and thunder" anymore. Tiote's pretty strong right? seen him get knocked off the ball a few times. It's not sudden, like, it's been that way since the start of the season. If you haven't noticed that, then I don't really know what to say. :lol:I've seen him get knocked off the ball, yes. Is he p*ss weak, and unable to hold onto the ball. Absolutely not. This is a ridiculous discussion. As I've pointed out he did okay at Ajax, a far greater club than ours. There are physical players in the dutch league you know? I'm done, thanks. Great, cheers for the discussion. Remind me not to bother trying to discuss anything with an utter bell like yourself again. Nice guy. Sounds like he's challenging you to a rap battle mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Aye, howay lads there's been nowhere near enough Pardew-bashing in this last couple of pages! Are we fighting agains relegation because Vurnon Anita isn't physical enough? No, move on. Just mentioned in the Tiote thread, I think the reason Anita is struggling is there's just no movement for him when he's on the ball, which for a player from the Ajax academy must be pretty bewildering. Pardew needs to be putting a lot more focus on our off the ball movement. A LOT more. Ironically we'll get to see what this should look like at West Brom this weekend... This is it: Anita is undoubtedly physically weaker than most other premier league midfielders, that's a fact. However it's only an issue if opposing players have time to get close to him before he can pass the ball. If we had some decent movement around him he'd have more options (and quickly) to pass to and wouldn't feel the need to hold possession. When it's either back to Krul or over the top to Cisse he's more likely to keep hold of it too long. Tiote does it all the time, and loses possession, and he's strong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Argh, man, come on. That's not what I'm saying. No, you don't need to be an entirely 'physical' player to succeed, but you do require at least enough strength to compete. So far, he hasn't shown that, for me. Aye Anita is literally the softest cunt ever to brace the Premiership. Even the placca bags at the SOS would take the poor cunt out, it's painful to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 So tired of the word shape. Fuck shape let's move instead. It's not a sculpture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 But it is a statue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Aye, howay lads there's been nowhere near enough Pardew-bashing in this last couple of pages! Are we fighting agains relegation because Vurnon Anita isn't physical enough? No, move on. Just mentioned in the Tiote thread, I think the reason Anita is struggling is there's just no movement for him when he's on the ball, which for a player from the Ajax academy must be pretty bewildering. Pardew needs to be putting a lot more focus on our off the ball movement. A LOT more. Ironically we'll get to see what this should look like at West Brom this weekend... This is the crux of the whole problem - we are a static team and there are few options for the man with the ball when we gain possession.....this results in us surrendering it again quickly bringing more pressure from the opposing team etc etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Jerusalem Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 But it is a statue And this is what the artisan in charge has come up with so far... http://i45.tinypic.com/negob4.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Back in the 50s we had a small midfield player called Ernie Taylor playing for us and in those days, there really were some hard men about. Taylor had a great career at Newcastle and then at his later clubs, laying on one of the goals for Jackie Milburn in the 1951 Final against Blackpool. His small stature wasn't a problem for him but he did have the likes of Joe Harvey and Scoular to be his 'heavy' if the going got rough..... Gallacher was 5'5'' but could out-jump much taller players and dish out plenty of stick too although he was, by all accounts , brilliant with it. If you have talent and play in a balanced side size shouldn't really matter unless you are a CB or CF.... Anita does NOT play in a balanced or progressive side...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I must admit, I did have concerns about Anita's size when I saw his first few matches, but then there was a run of games where he was probably the best player on the pitch and those doubts were dispelled. After that, there's no way I'm prepared to write him off until I see him in a team set up by a ball playing manager. Obviously Anita would be useless if Tony Pulis or Sam Allardyce was our manager. Would he be useless if he went to Liverpool or Swansea? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Christ man, just reading that about PSG wanting Cabaye and Sissoko before he joined us really hammers home how shit this man has us at the moment, top players that aren't going to hang about for much longer unless we improve. Ashely needs to sort this out or else all Graham Carr's and the rests good work in getting us these players is going to be for nothing. Get us a manager worthy of the players please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Just to re-iterate, here are the players I refuse to write off while Pardew is manager: Anita Cabaye Tiote these are all players who Ronaldo would shift in a heartbeat while bringing back Carroll and whomping the ball high and long. Not for me thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I wouldn't sell any of them in a hearbeat, for anyone who thinks this stuff's credible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Just to re-iterate, here are the players I refuse to write off while Pardew is manager: Anita Cabaye Tiote these are all players who Ronaldo would shift in a heartbeat while bringing back Carroll and whomping the ball high and long. Not for me thanks. Wouldn't worry, he also thought Bramble had all the attributes to be a top CB..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Can anyone name one of the players who has improved dramatically under Pardew's management..? I suppose some will drag up Krul, but then he gets plenty of practice, doesn't he..? Cabaye, Tiote, Sissoko and Anita have all become worse players under his - er - coaching...nobody can deny that and the number of injuries we get is incredible. It all can't be a coincidence and as for playing EL football, we had a joint Cup run in 1975-76 under Gordon Lee where we had replays piling up as well as important league games to play...AND we had a smaller squad than this, so no excuses. We got to Wembley.. If the players like him its probably because he bulls-its the fans/media into believing none of it is either his or their faults because they are 'tired'. Its pathetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Perch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Cabaye, Tiote fucking soul destroying what's happened to these two this season like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Can anyone name one of the players who has improved dramatically under Pardew's management..? I suppose some will drag up Krul, but then he gets plenty of practice, doesn't he..? Cabaye, Tiote, Sissoko and Anita have all become worse players under his - er - coaching...nobody can deny that and the number of injuries we get is incredible. It all can't be a coincidence and as for playing EL football, we had a joint Cup run in 1975-76 under Gordon Lee where we had replays piling up as well as important league games to play...AND we had a smaller squad than this, so no excuses. We got to Wembley.. If the players like him its probably because he bulls-its the fans/media into believing none of it is either his or their faults because they are 'tired'. Its pathetic. My view is that you could put Souness in charge of this squad and you would see no worse results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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