Lotus Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Thought it was interesting when he said that some of the players who came in last night didn't really do enough to stake a claim.I reckon he was definitely referring to Marveaux. Maybe Sammy and Vurnon too. Might be wrong, but didn't he say something like "players that have played in the competition previously and done well. Didn't do so well tonight?" I thought he was referring to Bigi and Sammy mainly, as they were both crap and have done well in the Europa so far. Marv was hit and miss granted, but he scored and was our only attacking threat second half. Doesn't say a lot admittedly. Who knows? Probably just more hot air to deflect the heat off him. Aye, you might be right. I was fighting the baby at the time so he didn't have my full attention! Who won? I won the battle but i have no doubt she'll win the war! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Injury problems are a smokescreen. We don't have any more then anyone else and we've been this awful all season anyway. What are these injury problems that are making Krul kick the ball back to the opposition every time he gets it? Is it injury that's making everyone stand still and watch whoever has the ball? There's serious issues with the coaching and management of the team and it's blindingly obvious. Absolute nonsense. Wullie really lets himself down in this thread. We've got no strength in depth and and players missing in every position. If we have no strength in depth and are struggling to play two games a week, why did Pardew play so many first team players yesterday against poor opposition? Then the spastic was whining about losing Ben Arfa and Cisse as a result. Does that make any sense to you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Injury problems are a smokescreen. We don't have any more then anyone else and we've been this awful all season anyway. What are these injury problems that are making Krul kick the ball back to the opposition every time he gets it? Is it injury that's making everyone stand still and watch whoever has the ball? There's serious issues with the coaching and management of the team and it's blindingly obvious. Absolute nonsense. Wullie really lets himself down in this thread. We've got no strength in depth and and players missing in every position. If we have no strength in depth and are struggling to play two games a week, why did Pardew play so many first team players yesterday against poor opposition? Then the spastic was whining about losing Ben Arfa and Cisse as a result. Does that make any sense to you? I think he's trying to get a bit of fluency back in the side. Reckon we would have won too if those two had stayed on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Injury problems are a smokescreen. We don't have any more then anyone else and we've been this awful all season anyway. What are these injury problems that are making Krul kick the ball back to the opposition every time he gets it? Is it injury that's making everyone stand still and watch whoever has the ball? There's serious issues with the coaching and management of the team and it's blindingly obvious. Absolute nonsense. Wullie really lets himself down in this thread. We've got no strength in depth and and players missing in every position. If we have no strength in depth and are struggling to play two games a week, why did Pardew play so many first team players yesterday against poor opposition? Then the spastic was whining about losing Ben Arfa and Cisse as a result. Does that make any sense to you? I think he's trying to get a bit of fluency back in the side. Reckon we would have won too if those two had stayed on. The most fluency we've had in the side all season was when the reserves have been playing the Euro games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Injury problems are a smokescreen. We don't have any more then anyone else and we've been this awful all season anyway. What are these injury problems that are making Krul kick the ball back to the opposition every time he gets it? Is it injury that's making everyone stand still and watch whoever has the ball? There's serious issues with the coaching and management of the team and it's blindingly obvious. Absolute nonsense. Wullie really lets himself down in this thread. We've got no strength in depth and and players missing in every position. If we have no strength in depth and are struggling to play two games a week, why did Pardew play so many first team players yesterday against poor opposition? Then the spastic was whining about losing Ben Arfa and Cisse as a result. Does that make any sense to you? No. It was a daft thing to do. Doesn't change the fact we've got a rubbish squad that's been exposed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Injury problems are a smokescreen. We don't have any more then anyone else and we've been this awful all season anyway. What are these injury problems that are making Krul kick the ball back to the opposition every time he gets it? Is it injury that's making everyone stand still and watch whoever has the ball? There's serious issues with the coaching and management of the team and it's blindingly obvious. Absolute nonsense. Wullie really lets himself down in this thread. We've got no strength in depth and and players missing in every position. If we have no strength in depth and are struggling to play two games a week, why did Pardew play so many first team players yesterday against poor opposition? Then the spastic was whining about losing Ben Arfa and Cisse as a result. Does that make any sense to you? No. It was a daft thing to do. Doesn't change the fact we've got a rubbish squad that's been exposed. It's not a rubbish squad at all, we paid £3m for Pards golden boy Obertan who can't even get in the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Give over. Sammy Ameobi's starting games, man. The squad outside the first team has shocking quality defensively and going forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I'm getting sick and tired of this injuries excuse..... We have not played well since we tonked Stoke in April getting the players back won't change much. We are missing basic fundamentals, suffering due to poor coaching and being tactically crap and overly negative. The injuries have f*ck all to do with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 If we could play as a team the squad deficiencies wouldn't stand out as much. They do stand out as Pardew is picking individuals and hoping it gels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Injuries and suspensions have put players in the team that wouldn't get games at any other top 10 club. It's part of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 You could just as easily say if HBA hadn't played then we would have lost. He created the goal and no bugger else was doing anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I honestly haven't a clue how he's going to turn things around at the moment, especially with the growing injury list and the constant shitness of certain important players, namely Cisse. It's all in the attacking. The defence, for all the work he's allegedly put into it, is starting to falter because we're so shit going forward. Last night was just the same. Different match, same lack of gameplan going forward. And it put us under pressure. Discussions about formation, etc, are now almost completely redundant. Because literally EVERYTHING is wrong with the way we're playing at the moment. Mentality, structure, balance, tactics, general playing ability. This season absolutely stinks. It harks back to the lack of investment in the summer, but that was only the start of the problems - our shitness hasn't been a direct result of that. The board, manager and the players have joined together in not being good enough. We're in the ratters atm. I can't see us finishing in the top half at this rate. The only thing i can point to is perhaps some morale-boosting signings in January that can give us a bit of a buzz. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Give over. Sammy Ameobi's starting games, man. The squad outside the first team has shocking quality defensively and going forward. I thought Sammy was one of our better players last night. I don't see anything wrong with him starting a game against shite Euro opposition tbh, especially when Pardew's been moaning about squad depth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 You could just as easily say if HBA hadn't played then we would have lost. He created the goal and no bugger else was doing anything. He played a simple ball to Marveaux who then did all the work. Good job you got your wish though, eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 You could just as easily say if HBA hadn't played then we would have lost. He created the goal and no bugger else was doing anything. I wonder how we won those previous games in this competition without HBA? It must have been an emergency win at all costs game to have started him last night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I fear for where wr'd be without HBA. Pardew is getting the ultimate least out of the available squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 You could just as easily say if HBA hadn't played then we would have lost. He created the goal and no bugger else was doing anything. He played a simple ball to Marveaux who then did all the work. Good job you got your wish though, eh? Yeah, it is, he helped us qualify. I wonder how we won those previous games in this competition without HBA? It must have been an emergency win at all costs game to have started him last night. Both of them? Two wins and three draws. Against Maritimo, Brugge and Bordeaux. Woooooo. As far as 'win at all costs', i'd prefer to top the group and have a better chance of avoiding the CL dropouts and the better teams in the competition thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 You could just as easily say if HBA hadn't played then we would have lost. He created the goal and no bugger else was doing anything. He played a simple ball to Marveaux who then did all the work. Good job you got your wish though, eh? Yeah, it is, he helped us qualify. I wonder how we won those previous games in this competition without HBA? It must have been an emergency win at all costs game to have started him last night. Both of them? Two wins and three draws. Against Maritimo, Brugge and Bordeaux. Woooooo. As far as 'win at all costs', i'd prefer to top the group and have a better chance of avoiding the CL dropouts and the better teams in the competition thanks. We almost lost against Maritimo at home Avoiding CL teams makes no difference at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I simply don't buy this argument now oh we were in the championship 3 years ago now so we should be grateful for just being in the premier league with s**** performances all season. Not the point I'm trying to make. Our rise from that position has been pretty meteoric and we need a little perspective when we go on a poor run of form rather than throwing the toys out of the pram. All of this is has been brought about because we've lost two games on the spin and drew against a European side little of us know about but think we still should be beating anyway. In the context of what we've sat through in previous years this shouldn't really register. I understand and agree with concerns over performances and tactics but all this chatter of sacking the manager is simply bizarre and reminds me that there is a section of our fanbase who do their utmost to justify the media's obsession with deluded Geordies. Gotta agree with this. I'm very concerned at the moment but Pardew earned my trust last season, just got to hope he's competent enough to deal with this pressure and sort the team out. I think those yearning for a manager change need to be cautious in what they wish for. If Pardew goes who realistically will want to work for Ashley? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 We almost lost against Maritimo at home Avoiding CL teams makes no difference at all. I'm trying optimism. We might have turned things around by the time the knockout phase arrives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I simply don't buy this argument now oh we were in the championship 3 years ago now so we should be grateful for just being in the premier league with s**** performances all season. Not the point I'm trying to make. Our rise from that position has been pretty meteoric and we need a little perspective when we go on a poor run of form rather than throwing the toys out of the pram. All of this is has been brought about because we've lost two games on the spin and drew against a European side little of us know about but think we still should be beating anyway. In the context of what we've sat through in previous years this shouldn't really register. I understand and agree with concerns over performances and tactics but all this chatter of sacking the manager is simply bizarre and reminds me that there is a section of our fanbase who do their utmost to justify the media's obsession with deluded Geordies. Gotta agree with this. I'm very concerned at the moment but Pardew earned my trust last season, just got to hope he's competent enough to deal with this pressure and sort the team out. I think those yearning for a manager change need to be cautious in what they wish for. If Pardew goes who realistically will want to work for Ashley? I'm not sure working for Ashley isn't exactly that bad. According to Pardew - he has next to no communication with him. We have a decent team with good players. Aye, so he doesn't make a load of money available for the players we need, but I'm pretty sure 90% of football clubs are guilty of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I fear for where wr'd be without HBA. Pardew is getting the ultimate least out of the available squad. We can try put a positive spin on it and hope that now the "give it to Hatem and hope he skins everyone on his own" plan is out the window we might actually graft a bit better as a team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I fear for where wr'd be without HBA. Pardew is getting the ultimate least out of the available squad. We can try put a positive spin on it and hope that now the "give it to Hatem and hope he skins everyone on his own" plan is out the window we might actually graft a bit better as a team. We managed to pick up a lot of points in the first part of last season without Ben Arfa. Other than Cabaye, the only other player missing from the early part of last season is Best. Obertan was a regular and Raylor was playing at left back. One of the problems is the weaker squad. Last season, we had Best, Lovenkrands, Guthrie and Taylor on the bench and although they may not have been anything special, they did a job and were far more experienced than the kids we are dependent upon now. Not replacing Guthrie has been a real problem as he played well when partnering either Tiote or Cabaye and if he was still here, it might have allowed Cabaye to be rested for the games where he has been playing with the injury or had the operation earlier. I am not sure if Amalfitano was his replacement but a kid from Ligue 2 was always going to need a fair bit of time to adjust - if indeed he is good enough in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 True enough that Guthrie was massively underrated by the club. We could do with his passing and vision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I simply don't buy this argument now oh we were in the championship 3 years ago now so we should be grateful for just being in the premier league with s**** performances all season. Not the point I'm trying to make. Our rise from that position has been pretty meteoric and we need a little perspective when we go on a poor run of form rather than throwing the toys out of the pram. All of this is has been brought about because we've lost two games on the spin and drew against a European side little of us know about but think we still should be beating anyway. In the context of what we've sat through in previous years this shouldn't really register. I understand and agree with concerns over performances and tactics but all this chatter of sacking the manager is simply bizarre and reminds me that there is a section of our fanbase who do their utmost to justify the media's obsession with deluded Geordies. Gotta agree with this. I'm very concerned at the moment but Pardew earned my trust last season, just got to hope he's competent enough to deal with this pressure and sort the team out. I think those yearning for a manager change need to be cautious in what they wish for. If Pardew goes who realistically will want to work for Ashley? I'm not sure working for Ashley isn't exactly that bad. According to Pardew - he has next to no communication with him. We have a decent team with good players. Aye, so he doesn't make a load of money available for the players we need, but I'm pretty sure 90% of football clubs are guilty of that. Aye but you have to think that Pardew probably benefits (or did) from being in or close to Ashley's clique. History shows us he's awkward, with Hughton and Keegan saga's. I also think the general bad feeling surrounding him can be off putting. If Pardew did go I could not envisage a positive appointment, put it that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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