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"He was never off my Christmas card list because it wasn't me who had the problem. In any walk of life you have to be a man sometimes and admit when you're wrong and also pay your respects when someone does something right and I thought Colo was absolutely brilliant."

 

Is he blaming Colo or am i understanding that wrong.

 

He is.

 

Why are we even hearing about this? Nobody knew anything about it until he swaggered onto the pitch and made himself the centre of attention.

 

Was probably asked about it. :pow:

 

:lol:

 

f***ing sick of hearing that one.  "Well he was f***ing asked about it, how the f*** do you expect him not to be a boneheaded gobshite in response?"  f*** off.

 

Simon Foster: Come on, Malcolm, he asked me for a personal opinion.

Malcolm Tucker: Why didn't you say? He asked you. Fuck, of course, that explains it. If he'd asked you to fucking black up, or to give him your PIN number or to shit yourself, would you have done that?

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Just caught up four pages.

 

Nelsen is better than Williamson, but not much better. If we're going to make a step up, make a real step up. Otherwise two weeks into his tenure, he'll get burned for pace by Shane Long in a game where he's not allowed to sit in his own area with a midfield four in front of him in his own half - and we'll hear the usual stick being given to the CB who tries hard and is a model pro - but simply doesn't have the requisite ability.

 

Have nothing concrete to substantiate my deduction/inference from Pardew's comments, buuut: Pardew had a word to Colo about pulling his socks up defensively, to which Colo took offence. FWIW, I don't think Colo has been at his best recently - far from it in fact.

 

Pardew obviously places a great deal of emphasis on keeping a clean sheet, and its fairly key to his strategy of "nick a goal and keep it tight".

In the absence of our star players up top not producing as much individual brilliance, the defensive frailty has undermined his gameplan completely - which has him riled, as it's supposed to be the foundation of what he considers to be success.

 

Why Colo took offence I'm not sure - because he thinks he has been playing fine or something else. I hope it was something else/more dressing room dissent*.

 

* - still have hope, no matter how remote, that Ashley will turn on his stooge like any cold-hearted businessman that needs to

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O-Nut: Dave is capable of defending himself, but I too would have used the words 'stumble upon' because a large body of evidence (ie. his managerial career thus far) suggests he does not display tactical/managerial excellence with enough regularity to warrant any kinder term! The use of the term, for me at least, demonstrates our assessment of what I believe him to be generally capable of - not much.

 

Crouch scored a great goal last season and he meant it. He could stumble across a similar goal this season, and he may very well mean it, but it's definitely not his level in my view - based on watching him over the longer term.

 

I also don't believe he will get stick no matter what, either. There's nothing innate or inalienable to Pardew that stops him from being liked or a fan's favourite*. [* - well, among the majority]. Fans are a fickle bunch, very much willing to be won over by showing dignity, honesty, bravery, intelligence and skill.

 

Sadly for him, he's a weasely arsehole to compound his poor managerial skills though.

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I just think a manager who first steered a team with Lovenkrands, Ameobi, Best & Ranger as his four strikers to within minutes of a top 10 finish, as well as taking it to the last day for a top 3 finish last season, deserves a lot more leeway than what he's getting by some.

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I just think a manager who first steered a team with Lovenkrands, Ameobi, Best & Ranger as his four strikers to within minutes of a top 10 finish, as well as taking it to the last day for a top 3 finish last season, deserves a lot more leeway than what he's getting by some.

 

You're 100% right mate. The willingness of everyone to read the most negative possible spin on everything is, quite frankly, embarrassing at times.

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I just think a manager who first steered a team with Lovenkrands, Ameobi, Best & Ranger as his four strikers to within minutes of a top 10 finish, as well as taking it to the last day for a top 3 finish last season, deserves a lot more leeway than what he's getting by some.

 

You're 100% right mate. The willingness of everyone to read the most negative possible spin on everything is, quite frankly, embarrassing at times.

 

And vice-versa.

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http://i.imgur.com/AYs1q.png

 

'no matter what he does, he'll always get stick'

 

Yet currently over half say they're losing, or never had any faith in him...go figure.

 

They're losing faith in him because we're playing shite with results to match.

 

Rocket science.

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I just think a manager who first steered a team with Lovenkrands, Ameobi, Best & Ranger as his four strikers to within minutes of a top 10 finish, as well as taking it to the last day for a top 3 finish last season, deserves a lot more leeway than what he's getting by some.

 

Fair enough. :thup: Suppose that's where the difference of opinions arise. I've never been sold on results alone - I've been waiting for signs of sustainable footballing improvement/success (therefore never had any faith to begin with), whereas I assume through that season and a half you mention, he has bought himself more time with you.

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I just think a manager who first steered a team with Lovenkrands, Ameobi, Best & Ranger as his four strikers to within minutes of a top 10 finish, as well as taking it to the last day for a top 3 finish last season, deserves a lot more leeway than what he's getting by some.

 

You're 100% right mate. The willingness of everyone to read the most negative possible spin on everything is, quite frankly, embarrassing at times.

 

And vice-versa.

Your patter is lifting.

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I just think a manager who first steered a team with Lovenkrands, Ameobi, Best & Ranger as his four strikers to within minutes of a top 10 finish, as well as taking it to the last day for a top 3 finish last season, deserves a lot more leeway than what he's getting by some.

 

You're 100% right mate. The willingness of everyone to read the most negative possible spin on everything is, quite frankly, embarrassing at times.

 

And vice-versa.

Your patter is lifting.

 

Do you even lift?

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I just think a manager who first steered a team with Lovenkrands, Ameobi, Best & Ranger as his four strikers to within minutes of a top 10 finish, as well as taking it to the last day for a top 3 finish last season, deserves a lot more leeway than what he's getting by some.

 

You're 100% right mate. The willingness of everyone to read the most negative possible spin on everything is, quite frankly, embarrassing at times.

 

And vice-versa.

Your patter is lifting.

 

How's my "banter" and "craic" looking?

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I just think a manager who first steered a team with Lovenkrands, Ameobi, Best & Ranger as his four strikers to within minutes of a top 10 finish, as well as taking it to the last day for a top 3 finish last season, deserves a lot more leeway than what he's getting by some.

 

Were we not 12th when he took over and 12th at the end of that first season?  I'm sure we were 4 points above relegation when he arrived with more than half the games left and we finished 7 points above relegation.  Last season we finished in a better position than expected but that doesn't mean that he can now sit back and take all of the plaudits for that.  This season we're currently 9 places lower and I would be very surprised if we've bottomed out yet.

 

He deserves negativity towards him and he's getting it, even the players are having a go at him.  Something which was used as a plus for him when it wasn't happening.

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Anyway I don't want Pardew out. A good January could still go a long way towards turning this season into a respectable one because the league is so tight. I can't/don't want to believe that he is completely incapable of learning from his mistakes, and as long as we don't come perilously close to going down this year then he'll deserve next season to prove 11/12 wasn't a complete fluke.

 

But frankly I don't trust the cunts in charge to get anyone better anyway. Pardew's their man; the one they totally fucked over a favourite for against all good advice, the one they would supposedly back 100% in the transfer market as their number one choice. The one they get on with and who willingly arselicks them in public every other week, the one they've given an unprecedented contract to. They've made their bed and they'll lie in it. Look at their other managerial appointments - Keegan (stupid), Kinnear (laughable), Shearer (desperate), Hughton (enforced). I don't think they'd have a clue where to start to get an upgrade.

 

As I said, I just hope he finds something sooner rather than later. However he finds it.

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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4711953/Alan-Pardews-rift-with-Fabricio-Coloccini.html

...there was much more to his on-pitch embrace with Fabricio Coloccini than first met the eye.

 

It looked as though the manager was just congratulating his captain for his part in securing a precious three points — only Newcastle’s second league win in nine.

 

And Coloccini certainly deserved a pat on the back as he looked back to his brilliant best against the R’s.

 

But Pards later revealed how he had had a fall-out with the Argentine centre-half in the build-up to Saturday’s St James’ Park clash.

 

:mysterysolved: :lol:

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Anyway I don't want Pardew out. A good January could still go a long way towards turning this season into a respectable one because the league is so tight. I can't/don't want to believe that he is completely incapable of learning from his mistakes, and as long as we don't come perilously close to going down this year then he'll deserve next season to prove 11/12 wasn't a complete fluke.

 

But frankly I don't trust the cunts in charge to get anyone better anyway. Pardew's their man; the one they totally fucked over a favourite for against all good advice, the one they would supposedly back 100% in the transfer market as their number one choice. The one they get on with and who willingly arselicks them in public every other week, the one they've given an unprecedented contract to. They've made their bed and they'll lie in it. Look at their other managerial appointments - Keegan (stupid), Kinnear (laughable), Shearer (desperate), Hughton (enforced). I don't think they'd have a clue where to start to get an upgrade.

 

As I said, I just hope he finds something sooner rather than later. However he finds it.

 

:thup:

 

The only reason I don't want rid of him is because of the second paragraph there.

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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4711953/Alan-Pardews-rift-with-Fabricio-Coloccini.html

...there was much more to his on-pitch embrace with Fabricio Coloccini than first met the eye.

 

It looked as though the manager was just congratulating his captain for his part in securing a precious three points — only Newcastle’s second league win in nine.

 

And Coloccini certainly deserved a pat on the back as he looked back to his brilliant best against the R’s.

 

But Pards later revealed how he had had a fall-out with the Argentine centre-half in the build-up to Saturday’s St James’ Park clash.

 

:mysterysolved: :lol:

 

Here we go again.

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http://i.imgur.com/AYs1q.png

 

'no matter what he does, he'll always get stick'

 

Yet currently over half say they're losing, or never had any faith in him...go figure.

 

They're losing faith in him because we're playing s**** with results to match.

 

Rocket science.

 

Exactly right - and you have to add to that those who reserved judgement on him because of his past record at other clubs.

He tailed off with them and the same thing seems to be happening with us - their supporters would probably have given similar poll ratings after the same time periods with their clubs.

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http://i.imgur.com/AYs1q.png

 

'no matter what he does, he'll always get stick'

 

Yet currently over half say they're losing, or never had any faith in him...go figure.

 

They're losing faith in him because we're playing s**** with results to match.

 

Rocket science.

 

Exactly right - and you have to add to that those who reserved judgement on him because of his past record at other clubs.

He tailed off with them and the same thing seems to be happening with us - their supporters would probably have given similar poll ratings after the same time periods with their clubs.

 

In believe the worrying thing is not just the fans for Pardew, it's also the players that have lost faith in him.  Shit I mean If the fans from that far out can see the ineptitude of his management and the mistakes he's making then imagine how clear it is for the players who has to work with him everyday at first hand.

 

Disturbing.

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I see myself as being far from negative on here but listening to Pardew after the QPR match saying "we've been really good the last 4 or 5 games" made me really shake my head with concern. Alright there's been atleast a bit more effort but the general play has still been bollocks as a whole.

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