AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I really can't understand the Obertan sub at all. Shola was contributing nothing and we could have moved Cisse inside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I really can't understand the Obertan sub at all. Shola was contributing nothing and we could have moved Cisse inside. Taking Shola off would mean no more hoofball, which was obviously unacceptable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 THIS. Honestly, if there's ever a more telling sign to his cluelessness it is his favouritism towards Shola. He wants the big, immobile, talentless lump to play there so we can hoof the b****** thing to him rather than play the £10 million, talented, mobile goalscorer and surround him with the two form wide players in the side. I can't get over the way he thinks. It's just f***ing backwards. I thought Marveaux and Anita were playing well and were doing some good stuff and Shola was just strolling around as if it was a practice match. We had one break in the 2nd half and he was walking towards the Everton goal from the half way line while we had the ball in the box. I looked to see where he was when the move was over and he was still in the semi circle. It's not his fault, he's not up to it and he really cares for the club but that's not good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I'm no fan of Obertan but taking him off was criminal. This, many times over. Obertan looked dangerous, and he was our only genuine wide player on the pitch. Taking him off left us playing through the middle with Ameobi, Ranger and Cisse up front. You can't play that narrow and get through teams, and it was obvious that we were just going to revert to hoofing it. Which we did. What we needed was more width, not less. Obertan on the right, Ferguson on the left, Ameobi and Cisse up front. Or Cisse and Ranger up front. Or Sammy on the left and Obertan on the right, with Cisse plus Shola or Ranger up front. So many good choices and he consistently picks the wrong ones. I'm out of patience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Scares the hell out of me that time after time the fans can see things that take Pardew an eternity to see. The Ben Arfa farce, 4-3-3 instead of 4-4-2, Santon for taylor, Jonas needing dropping, Marveaux needing playing, Cisse and Ba in a 2 then Cisse stuck on the wing, Shola still being shit etc. Just time after time it seems he's either oblivious to problems or ignores them out of stubbornness or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Bringing on Ranger was the sign of a man whose not a clue how to turn it round. It was a desperate attempt to get the owner's attention IMO. Sadly Ashleys ambition is 17th so if that was the case I doubt it'll have much affect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 He just loses the plot and reverts to the simplest, crudest football he can when we go behind. You might get away with that in League One, never in this league. There are so many bad factors about his management skills that really makes him one of the worst in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I really can't understand the Obertan sub at all. Shola was contributing nothing and we could have moved Cisse inside. Taking Shola off would mean no more hoofball, which was obviously unacceptable. Bingo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Fail to see him dragging us out of this horrid form. Sure, he's not solely to blame but he needs to go. Worry is, who'll replace him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Pardew was definitely at fault for bringing off Obertan instead of Shola, and I can't understand his belief that he just needs as many strikers on the pitch at once, but we didn't play long ball for the majority of the game today. Everton played many more long balls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 He just loses the plot and reverts to the simplest, crudest football he can when we go behind. You might get away with that in League One, never in this league. There are so many bad factors about his management skills that really makes him one of the worst in the league. he is now, panicing like fuck he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eggenberger Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/851/pards.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Scares the hell out of me that time after time the fans can see things that take Pardew an eternity to see. The Ben Arfa farce, 4-3-3 instead of 4-4-2, Santon for taylor, Jonas needing dropping, Marveaux needing playing, Cisse and Ba in a 2 then Cisse stuck on the wing, Shola still being shit etc. Just time after time it seems he's either oblivious to problems or ignores them out of stubbornness or something. Good post, you're spot on there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Lots of teams have relied on long balls against us this year, probably because they've realized that we can't deal with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Bringing on Ranger was the sign of a man whose not a clue how to turn it round. It was a desperate attempt to get the owner's attention IMO. Yep. That's what I was thinking at the time. It really highlights our lack of squad depth quite starkly. I guess that for Pards that would be about as far as he probably feels able to push it with his boss...or so I'd imagine, anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Blamed Santon on the radio. f*** off Alan, you small time fraudster. Seriously? What did he say? 'They had more experience than us and it showed, Santon goes through on goal and if he squares it there we score and get a point.' Come on man, that's hardly blaming Santon for the overall result, just showing how quickly it could change. And to be fair he's right. Santon was awful tonight (IMO) and we would have got a point if he'd squared it. How do you know this by the way, can you see in to an alternative future where Cisse got it, and scored. And they didn't attack again or something like that? If he really truly means that the Santon didn't pass made the whole team play s**** and hoof the ball he can really go f*** himself, its a stupid excuse. Come on man. That's clearly not what that quote says. On his interview on Sky he said we didn't play that well. That quote is clearly a throwaway "look how close we got to snatching a draw" type quote rather than a "it's all Santons fault" quote. As usual though, as soon as the tide turns on a manager at this club, every quote will be dissected and turned into a "disgrace". tbf some were disecting his every quote last season when we were doing well. There were also some who were concerned about our methods even though we were getting good results last season. It might work for low budget teams looking to hang around the periphery of success but no top sides play that way in this day and age. Yep, there's always been criticism apart from the time he got Ba, Cisse and Hatem performing superbly together last season. Only it was constructive criticism or little concerns about the overall evolution of the side, now it's to the extent where we are worried about relegation and attacks on him overall. to even be considering that is a sign of failure. He didn't get Ba, Ben Arfa and Cisse performing superbly last season, those three were thrown together totally by circumstance. That's our best hope for getting out of this mess tbh, injuries and new transfers might just see us hitting the slot machines at the right time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Couldn't manage his own sock drawer let alone England this prick. Am I of the understanding that most people are open to the idea of sacking him but are crippled with fear at the prospect of what we'll get? Just shows what a state this club is in when a toxic element is tolereated to this degree in fear of a draconian owners actions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Getting tired of saying it, but he got it wrong again today. You can't start Shola through the middle over Cisse, fuck off with the preparation bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Getting tired of saying it, but he got it wrong again today. You can't start Shola through the middle over Cisse, fuck off with the preparation bollocks. You can't start Shola. Anywhere. Full fucking stop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Blamed Santon on the radio. f*** off Alan, you small time fraudster. Seriously? What did he say? 'They had more experience than us and it showed, Santon goes through on goal and if he squares it there we score and get a point.' Come on man, that's hardly blaming Santon for the overall result, just showing how quickly it could change. And to be fair he's right. Santon was awful tonight (IMO) and we would have got a point if he'd squared it. How do you know this by the way, can you see in to an alternative future where Cisse got it, and scored. And they didn't attack again or something like that? If he really truly means that the Santon didn't pass made the whole team play s**** and hoof the ball he can really go f*** himself, its a stupid excuse. Come on man. That's clearly not what that quote says. On his interview on Sky he said we didn't play that well. That quote is clearly a throwaway "look how close we got to snatching a draw" type quote rather than a "it's all Santons fault" quote. As usual though, as soon as the tide turns on a manager at this club, every quote will be dissected and turned into a "disgrace". tbf some were disecting his every quote last season when we were doing well. There were also some who were concerned about our methods even though we were getting good results last season. It might work for low budget teams looking to hang around the periphery of success but no top sides play that way in this day and age. Yep, there's always been criticism apart from the time he got Ba, Cisse and Hatem performing superbly together last season. Only it was constructive criticism or little concerns about the overall evolution of the side, now it's to the extent where we are worried about relegation and attacks on him overall. to even be considering that is a sign of failure. He didn't get Ba, Ben Arfa and Cisse performing superbly last season, those three were thrown together totally by circumstance. That's our best hope for getting out of this mess tbh, injuries and new transfers might just see us hitting the slot machines at the right time. Agreed. It was also a work in progress but one that he abandoned at the first sign of trouble. this season he's tried a bunch of different things, always falling back on the old big man up front shite, and none of its worked. It's a sign of a manager out of ideas, and/or one who cannot communicate what he wants to his players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Bringing on Ranger was the sign of a man whose not a clue how to turn it round. It was a desperate attempt to get the owner's attention IMO. Yep. That's what I was thinking at the time. It really highlights our lack of squad depth quite starkly. I guess that for Pards that would be about as far as he probably feels able to push it with his boss...or so I'd imagine, anyway. Give it a rest man. If he's not happy with Ashley's spending he could always resign instead of signing 8 year contracts then touting our most saleable assets every transfer window. Not that I would even mind that if he could pick a sane starting line up from what he's got at his disposal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Absolutely mental management tonight. Shola was fucking terrible and playing cisse on wing is stupid. Also perch right back was fucking terrible. His substitutions were just taking the piss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Playing a 8M striker on the wing while playing Shola upfront reminded me of Allardyce's decision to play Martins on the wing and Alan Smith upfront. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Scares the hell out of me that time after time the fans can see things that take Pardew an eternity to see. The Ben Arfa farce, 4-3-3 instead of 4-4-2, Santon for taylor, Jonas needing dropping, Marveaux needing playing, Cisse and Ba in a 2 then Cisse stuck on the wing, Shola still being s*** etc. Just time after time it seems he's either oblivious to problems or ignores them out of stubbornness or something. Good post, you're spot on there. Agree also. What was so disappointing is that despite the late goals against we played decent football for an hour at OT and the Emirates. The Ba saga gave us a golden chance to build on that by playing Cisse centrally and playing creative players around him. Instead we get Shola and then more route one crud with Ranger as well as Shola. Pardew admitted he got the subs wrong against Arsenal yet still thinks the only way to get a late goal is to play hoof. Once he got t wrong the first sub should have been Bigi for Shola. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Should have been Bigi on for Shola - Obertan left, Marveaux right, Cisse up top. That's how we should had started. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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