Alan Pardew

[Guest JS]

Remember when he said Reading will stay up no problems after the away game because they kicked our arses?

 

McDermott is also his mate (And a f***ing arsehole to boot) I had the pleasure of his company at a talk-in this season and he lay down the stereotypical Geordie crap. Arsehole.

 

Hope we fucking batter these cunts

[Interpolic]

I can't think of another manager in the league who would still be in a job after the sort of run we've had recently.  Even Fergie would be at home collecting his pension after a run of 7 points from the last 12 games (and a bonus arse kicking from a team 1 league below us in the cup).

didn't david moyes go through a similar after a good season.

 

don't think many at everton were blaming him directly for mismanaging what he had at his disposal mind, neil may tell us.

 

We have 21 points after 22 games.  Do you think that's anywhere near acceptable with what Pardew's had "at his disposal?"

 

To help you, and for the avoidance of doubt and total waffle, here is every player in our squad with 1+ league appearance this season:

 

Player Apps

Tim Krul 18

Fabricio Coloccini 14

Davide Santon 22

Yohan Cabaye 9+1

Danny Simpson 15+1

Mike Williamson 17

Vurnon Anita 15+3

Papiss Cissé 19+1

Hatem Ben Arfa 13

James Perch 14+3

Ryan Taylor 0+1

Jonás Gutiérrez 18

Demba Ba 19+1

Gaël Bigirimana 3+8

Sylvain Marveaux 6+7

Shola Ameobi 3+11

Cheick Tioté 13+1

Gabriel Obertan 3+8

Mathieu Debuchy 1

Steven Taylor 10+1

Sammy Ameobi 1+7

Nile Ranger 0+2

Shane Ferguson 4+5

James Tavernier 0+2

Steve Harper 4

thanks for re pointing out what i'd already said. 

 

Are you for real?

 

Honestly, hang on a second.  Are you saying that Moyes had a poor season but that it was understandable given what he had at his disposable and that we can say similar about Pardew?  Given the appearance figures I've posted?  Just want to clarify that point, before I argue otherwise.

[madras]

I can't think of another manager in the league who would still be in a job after the sort of run we've had recently.  Even Fergie would be at home collecting his pension after a run of 7 points from the last 12 games (and a bonus arse kicking from a team 1 league below us in the cup).

didn't david moyes go through a similar after a good season.

 

don't think many at everton were blaming him directly for mismanaging what he had at his disposal mind, neil may tell us.

 

We have 21 points after 22 games.  Do you think that's anywhere near acceptable with what Pardew's had "at his disposal?"

 

To help you, and for the avoidance of doubt and total waffle, here is every player in our squad with 1+ league appearance this season:

 

Player Apps

Tim Krul 18

Fabricio Coloccini 14

Davide Santon 22

Yohan Cabaye 9+1

Danny Simpson 15+1

Mike Williamson 17

Vurnon Anita 15+3

Papiss Cissé 19+1

Hatem Ben Arfa 13

James Perch 14+3

Ryan Taylor 0+1

Jonás Gutiérrez 18

Demba Ba 19+1

Gaël Bigirimana 3+8

Sylvain Marveaux 6+7

Shola Ameobi 3+11

Cheick Tioté 13+1

Gabriel Obertan 3+8

Mathieu Debuchy 1

Steven Taylor 10+1

Sammy Ameobi 1+7

Nile Ranger 0+2

Shane Ferguson 4+5

James Tavernier 0+2

Steve Harper 4

thanks for re pointing out what i'd already said. 

 

Are you for real?

 

Honestly, hang on a second.  Are you saying that Moyes had a poor season but that it was understandable given what he had at his disposable and that we can say similar about Pardew?  Given the appearance figures I've posted?  Just want to clarify that point, before I argue otherwise.

no, i'm saying what i said in the bit you emboldend. seems plain to me, pardew has a lot more at his disposal than moyes had, maybe neil can cast more light on that as i'm not too clever on that everton team.

 

edit...what did the bit you emboldened think i meant ?

 

 

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[Interpolic]

I can't think of another manager in the league who would still be in a job after the sort of run we've had recently.  Even Fergie would be at home collecting his pension after a run of 7 points from the last 12 games (and a bonus arse kicking from a team 1 league below us in the cup).

didn't david moyes go through a similar after a good season.

 

don't think many at everton were blaming him directly for mismanaging what he had at his disposal mind, neil may tell us.

 

We have 21 points after 22 games.  Do you think that's anywhere near acceptable with what Pardew's had "at his disposal?"

 

To help you, and for the avoidance of doubt and total waffle, here is every player in our squad with 1+ league appearance this season:

 

Player Apps

Tim Krul 18

Fabricio Coloccini 14

Davide Santon 22

Yohan Cabaye 9+1

Danny Simpson 15+1

Mike Williamson 17

Vurnon Anita 15+3

Papiss Cissé 19+1

Hatem Ben Arfa 13

James Perch 14+3

Ryan Taylor 0+1

Jonás Gutiérrez 18

Demba Ba 19+1

Gaël Bigirimana 3+8

Sylvain Marveaux 6+7

Shola Ameobi 3+11

Cheick Tioté 13+1

Gabriel Obertan 3+8

Mathieu Debuchy 1

Steven Taylor 10+1

Sammy Ameobi 1+7

Nile Ranger 0+2

Shane Ferguson 4+5

James Tavernier 0+2

Steve Harper 4

thanks for re pointing out what i'd already said. 

 

Are you for real?

 

Honestly, hang on a second.  Are you saying that Moyes had a poor season but that it was understandable given what he had at his disposable and that we can say similar about Pardew?  Given the appearance figures I've posted?  Just want to clarify that point, before I argue otherwise.

no, i'm saying what i said in the bit you emboldend. seems plain to me, pardew has a lot more at his disposal than moyes had, maybe neil can cast more light on that as i'm not too clever on that everton team.

 

 

 

Fair enough then, it reads differently to me.

 

At the moment it seems to me that everyone is to blame to varying degrees - Ashley, Llambias, Pardew, staff, experienced players, young players - it's all been a massive fuck up from the summer 2012 until now.  And because no party is an overwhelming scapegoat, nobody is getting the finger pointed at them too enthusiastically yet.  But it'll happen at some point and quite often the manager bears the brunt.  Above all else, this season after last is just totally unacceptable - last season shouldn't have been built on sand in theory but we've just completely and utterly fucking blown it and it's so likely to come back to haunt us.  Everton probably managed to keep most of their players after they finished 4th bottom for a start, and I doubt we'll be so lucky.

[madras]

I can't think of another manager in the league who would still be in a job after the sort of run we've had recently.  Even Fergie would be at home collecting his pension after a run of 7 points from the last 12 games (and a bonus arse kicking from a team 1 league below us in the cup).

didn't david moyes go through a similar after a good season.

 

don't think many at everton were blaming him directly for mismanaging what he had at his disposal mind, neil may tell us.

 

We have 21 points after 22 games.  Do you think that's anywhere near acceptable with what Pardew's had "at his disposal?"

 

To help you, and for the avoidance of doubt and total waffle, here is every player in our squad with 1+ league appearance this season:

 

Player Apps

Tim Krul 18

Fabricio Coloccini 14

Davide Santon 22

Yohan Cabaye 9+1

Danny Simpson 15+1

Mike Williamson 17

Vurnon Anita 15+3

Papiss Cissé 19+1

Hatem Ben Arfa 13

James Perch 14+3

Ryan Taylor 0+1

Jonás Gutiérrez 18

Demba Ba 19+1

Gaël Bigirimana 3+8

Sylvain Marveaux 6+7

Shola Ameobi 3+11

Cheick Tioté 13+1

Gabriel Obertan 3+8

Mathieu Debuchy 1

Steven Taylor 10+1

Sammy Ameobi 1+7

Nile Ranger 0+2

Shane Ferguson 4+5

James Tavernier 0+2

Steve Harper 4

thanks for re pointing out what i'd already said. 

 

Are you for real?

 

Honestly, hang on a second.  Are you saying that Moyes had a poor season but that it was understandable given what he had at his disposable and that we can say similar about Pardew?  Given the appearance figures I've posted?  Just want to clarify that point, before I argue otherwise.

no, i'm saying what i said in the bit you emboldend. seems plain to me, pardew has a lot more at his disposal than moyes had, maybe neil can cast more light on that as i'm not too clever on that everton team.

 

 

 

Fair enough then, it reads differently to me.

 

At the moment it seems to me that everyone is to blame to varying degrees - Ashley, Llambias, Pardew, staff, experienced players, young players - it's all been a massive f*** up from the summer 2012 until now.  And because no party is an overwhelming scapegoat, nobody is getting the finger pointed at them too enthusiastically yet.  But it'll happen at some point and quite often the manager bears the brunt.  Above all else, this season after last is just totally unacceptable - last season shouldn't have been built on sand in theory but we've just completely and utterly f***ing blown it and it's so likely to come back to haunt us.  Everton probably managed to keep most of their players after they finished 4th bottom for a start, and I doubt we'll be so lucky.

transfer wise it's easy to cast blame but we haven't got a clue whats going on.

 

on the pitch is different, it's very transparent and we know pardew has got it wrong.

[Interpolic]

I can't think of another manager in the league who would still be in a job after the sort of run we've had recently.  Even Fergie would be at home collecting his pension after a run of 7 points from the last 12 games (and a bonus arse kicking from a team 1 league below us in the cup).

didn't david moyes go through a similar after a good season.

 

don't think many at everton were blaming him directly for mismanaging what he had at his disposal mind, neil may tell us.

 

We have 21 points after 22 games.  Do you think that's anywhere near acceptable with what Pardew's had "at his disposal?"

 

To help you, and for the avoidance of doubt and total waffle, here is every player in our squad with 1+ league appearance this season:

 

Player Apps

Tim Krul 18

Fabricio Coloccini 14

Davide Santon 22

Yohan Cabaye 9+1

Danny Simpson 15+1

Mike Williamson 17

Vurnon Anita 15+3

Papiss Cissé 19+1

Hatem Ben Arfa 13

James Perch 14+3

Ryan Taylor 0+1

Jonás Gutiérrez 18

Demba Ba 19+1

Gaël Bigirimana 3+8

Sylvain Marveaux 6+7

Shola Ameobi 3+11

Cheick Tioté 13+1

Gabriel Obertan 3+8

Mathieu Debuchy 1

Steven Taylor 10+1

Sammy Ameobi 1+7

Nile Ranger 0+2

Shane Ferguson 4+5

James Tavernier 0+2

Steve Harper 4

thanks for re pointing out what i'd already said. 

 

Are you for real?

 

Honestly, hang on a second.  Are you saying that Moyes had a poor season but that it was understandable given what he had at his disposable and that we can say similar about Pardew?  Given the appearance figures I've posted?  Just want to clarify that point, before I argue otherwise.

no, i'm saying what i said in the bit you emboldend. seems plain to me, pardew has a lot more at his disposal than moyes had, maybe neil can cast more light on that as i'm not too clever on that everton team.

 

 

 

Fair enough then, it reads differently to me.

 

At the moment it seems to me that everyone is to blame to varying degrees - Ashley, Llambias, Pardew, staff, experienced players, young players - it's all been a massive f*** up from the summer 2012 until now.  And because no party is an overwhelming scapegoat, nobody is getting the finger pointed at them too enthusiastically yet.  But it'll happen at some point and quite often the manager bears the brunt.  Above all else, this season after last is just totally unacceptable - last season shouldn't have been built on sand in theory but we've just completely and utterly f***ing blown it and it's so likely to come back to haunt us.  Everton probably managed to keep most of their players after they finished 4th bottom for a start, and I doubt we'll be so lucky.

transfer wise it's easy to cast blame but we haven't got a clue whats going on.

 

on the pitch is different, it's very transparent and we know pardew has got it wrong.

 

I think it's quite black and white transfer-wise - we lost Best, Lovenkrands, Guthrie and Smith (only significant in terms of wages) last summer and we only brought one proven player in (Anita).  That was despite having needed a centre half since summer 2011 and in the knowledge we'd been lucky with injuries the previous season and had more games and travel upcoming due to us qualifying for Europe.  There's no excuse for that happening, it doesn't matter about your arguments in relation to intent and all the rest of it - you make it sound like we had 3 or 4 targets that we just missed out on and for that reason we need to bite the bullet and stay patient until the next transfer window.  It shouldn't work like that when it's costing you points week after week, you need to avoid leaving your squad short by hook or by crook.

[Barnes23]

Pardew said: ‘When we come to Reading, this is a battling side we’re playing. They’re great at set plays — but the striker Pogrebnyak, he falls over.

 

‘He’s one of the worst players I’ve seen for falling over and buying free-kicks, so we have got to be clever.’

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2264739/Pavel-Pogrebnyak-worst-divers--Alan-Pardew.html#ixzz2INHYMQFG

 

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[Guest bimpy474]

Pardew said: ‘When we come to Reading, this is a battling side we’re playing. They’re great at set plays — but the striker Pogrebnyak, he falls over.

 

‘He’s one of the worst players I’ve seen for falling over and buying free-kicks, so we have got to be clever.’

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2264739/Pavel-Pogrebnyak-worst-divers--Alan-Pardew.html#ixzz2INHYMQFG

 

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Yes, but this dopey fecker never bloody wins any.

[Interpolic]

Fucking hell, the desperation reaches new levels.  I'm not joking, that is fucking desperate.  Pardew saying what nobody's really thinking or cares about to try to make his task seem harder.  Once again, we're the underdog and will have to overcome more confident players, adverse weather conditions, and actual cheating to triumph.

[Dave]

Fuck's he on about anyway, I can't remember there being an incident regarding diving by Pogrebnyak? Unless I'm missing something, there's fuck all on Google about it.

[madras]

I can't think of another manager in the league who would still be in a job after the sort of run we've had recently.  Even Fergie would be at home collecting his pension after a run of 7 points from the last 12 games (and a bonus arse kicking from a team 1 league below us in the cup).

didn't david moyes go through a similar after a good season.

 

don't think many at everton were blaming him directly for mismanaging what he had at his disposal mind, neil may tell us.

 

We have 21 points after 22 games.  Do you think that's anywhere near acceptable with what Pardew's had "at his disposal?"

 

To help you, and for the avoidance of doubt and total waffle, here is every player in our squad with 1+ league appearance this season:

 

Player Apps

Tim Krul 18

Fabricio Coloccini 14

Davide Santon 22

Yohan Cabaye 9+1

Danny Simpson 15+1

Mike Williamson 17

Vurnon Anita 15+3

Papiss Cissé 19+1

Hatem Ben Arfa 13

James Perch 14+3

Ryan Taylor 0+1

Jonás Gutiérrez 18

Demba Ba 19+1

Gaël Bigirimana 3+8

Sylvain Marveaux 6+7

Shola Ameobi 3+11

Cheick Tioté 13+1

Gabriel Obertan 3+8

Mathieu Debuchy 1

Steven Taylor 10+1

Sammy Ameobi 1+7

Nile Ranger 0+2

Shane Ferguson 4+5

James Tavernier 0+2

Steve Harper 4

thanks for re pointing out what i'd already said. 

 

Are you for real?

 

Honestly, hang on a second.  Are you saying that Moyes had a poor season but that it was understandable given what he had at his disposable and that we can say similar about Pardew?  Given the appearance figures I've posted?  Just want to clarify that point, before I argue otherwise.

no, i'm saying what i said in the bit you emboldend. seems plain to me, pardew has a lot more at his disposal than moyes had, maybe neil can cast more light on that as i'm not too clever on that everton team.

 

 

 

Fair enough then, it reads differently to me.

 

At the moment it seems to me that everyone is to blame to varying degrees - Ashley, Llambias, Pardew, staff, experienced players, young players - it's all been a massive f*** up from the summer 2012 until now.  And because no party is an overwhelming scapegoat, nobody is getting the finger pointed at them too enthusiastically yet.  But it'll happen at some point and quite often the manager bears the brunt.  Above all else, this season after last is just totally unacceptable - last season shouldn't have been built on sand in theory but we've just completely and utterly f***ing blown it and it's so likely to come back to haunt us.  Everton probably managed to keep most of their players after they finished 4th bottom for a start, and I doubt we'll be so lucky.

transfer wise it's easy to cast blame but we haven't got a clue whats going on.

 

on the pitch is different, it's very transparent and we know pardew has got it wrong.

 

I think it's quite black and white transfer-wise - we lost Best, Lovenkrands, Guthrie and Smith (only significant in terms of wages) last summer and we only bought one proven player in (Anita).  That was despite having needed a centre half since summer 2011 and in the knowledge we'd been lucky with injuries the previous season and had more games and travel upcoming due to us qualifying for Europe.  There's no excuse for that happening, it doesn't matter about your arguments in relation to intent and all the rest of it - you make it sound like we had 3 or 4 targets that we just missed out on and for that reason we need to bite the bullet and stay patient until the next transfer window.  It shouldn't work like that when it's costing you points week after week, you need to avoid leaving your squad short by hook or by crook.

i'd say we hadn't been lucky with injuries, ben arfa out for a while, steven taylor likewise, even santon, guthrie didn'y play all those games through suspensions !

 

many clubs are short in certain positions, ask the mackems how long they wanted a left back for, look at spurs up front beyond adebayour and defoe, glenn johnson's played left back this season hasn't he ?

 

you get me wrong, i don't say stay patient, i say get evidence. in what walks of life will you slag someone off when you really haven't got a clue whats went on ?

[Guest bimpy474]

Fuck's he on about anyway, I can't remember there being an incident regarding diving by Pogrebnyak? Unless I'm missing something, there's fuck all on Google about it.

 

He just can't shut up can he.

[morla84]

Really doesn't help himself out, much as I like the guy

[Interpolic]

I can't think of another manager in the league who would still be in a job after the sort of run we've had recently.  Even Fergie would be at home collecting his pension after a run of 7 points from the last 12 games (and a bonus arse kicking from a team 1 league below us in the cup).

didn't david moyes go through a similar after a good season.

 

don't think many at everton were blaming him directly for mismanaging what he had at his disposal mind, neil may tell us.

 

We have 21 points after 22 games.  Do you think that's anywhere near acceptable with what Pardew's had "at his disposal?"

 

To help you, and for the avoidance of doubt and total waffle, here is every player in our squad with 1+ league appearance this season:

 

Player Apps

Tim Krul 18

Fabricio Coloccini 14

Davide Santon 22

Yohan Cabaye 9+1

Danny Simpson 15+1

Mike Williamson 17

Vurnon Anita 15+3

Papiss Cissé 19+1

Hatem Ben Arfa 13

James Perch 14+3

Ryan Taylor 0+1

Jonás Gutiérrez 18

Demba Ba 19+1

Gaël Bigirimana 3+8

Sylvain Marveaux 6+7

Shola Ameobi 3+11

Cheick Tioté 13+1

Gabriel Obertan 3+8

Mathieu Debuchy 1

Steven Taylor 10+1

Sammy Ameobi 1+7

Nile Ranger 0+2

Shane Ferguson 4+5

James Tavernier 0+2

Steve Harper 4

thanks for re pointing out what i'd already said. 

 

Are you for real?

 

Honestly, hang on a second.  Are you saying that Moyes had a poor season but that it was understandable given what he had at his disposable and that we can say similar about Pardew?  Given the appearance figures I've posted?  Just want to clarify that point, before I argue otherwise.

no, i'm saying what i said in the bit you emboldend. seems plain to me, pardew has a lot more at his disposal than moyes had, maybe neil can cast more light on that as i'm not too clever on that everton team.

 

 

 

Fair enough then, it reads differently to me.

 

At the moment it seems to me that everyone is to blame to varying degrees - Ashley, Llambias, Pardew, staff, experienced players, young players - it's all been a massive f*** up from the summer 2012 until now.  And because no party is an overwhelming scapegoat, nobody is getting the finger pointed at them too enthusiastically yet.  But it'll happen at some point and quite often the manager bears the brunt.  Above all else, this season after last is just totally unacceptable - last season shouldn't have been built on sand in theory but we've just completely and utterly f***ing blown it and it's so likely to come back to haunt us.  Everton probably managed to keep most of their players after they finished 4th bottom for a start, and I doubt we'll be so lucky.

transfer wise it's easy to cast blame but we haven't got a clue whats going on.

 

on the pitch is different, it's very transparent and we know pardew has got it wrong.

 

I think it's quite black and white transfer-wise - we lost Best, Lovenkrands, Guthrie and Smith (only significant in terms of wages) last summer and we only bought one proven player in (Anita).  That was despite having needed a centre half since summer 2011 and in the knowledge we'd been lucky with injuries the previous season and had more games and travel upcoming due to us qualifying for Europe.  There's no excuse for that happening, it doesn't matter about your arguments in relation to intent and all the rest of it - you make it sound like we had 3 or 4 targets that we just missed out on and for that reason we need to bite the bullet and stay patient until the next transfer window.  It shouldn't work like that when it's costing you points week after week, you need to avoid leaving your squad short by hook or by crook.

i'd say we hadn't been lucky with injuries, ben arfa out for a while, steven taylor likewise, even santon, guthrie didn'y play all those games through suspensions !

 

many clubs are short in certain positions, ask the mackems how long they wanted a left back for, look at spurs up front beyond adebayour and defoe, glenn johnson's played left back this season hasn't he ?

 

you get me wrong, i don't say stay patient, i say get evidence. in what walks of life will you slag someone off when you really haven't got a clue whats went on ?

 

1) You've watched us for longer than I have.  I've watched us for about 20 seasons and last season was one of the luckiest we've had for injuries, I swear to God I'm not imagining that.  Ben Arfa had to ease himself back in yes, Taylor had his usual half season out, but apart from that - nah.  Nothing more than the odd knock, and not very many simultaneously.

 

2) I'm not talking to you about the "many clubs" argument, I find it incredibly tedious.  I'm bothered about NUFC and we play Mike Williamson in over 3 quarters of our games.  We have 2 centre forwards and one of them is Shola Ameobi.

 

3) Get evidence. My evidence was that we were 4 players down and 1 player up last summer when we actually needed to increase the size of our squad.  I'm judged on results at work, are you?  One of the board's 'results' is equipping the manager with a good enough squad to compete.

 

Honestly, fucking hell.

[alexthegreat]

We were terrible v West Ham, Swansea, and Southampton, and we probably rode our luck to get as many points as we had before that stage.

 

Since then we haven't played too badly. Here is a comparison of our last 10 games with the equivalent fixtures last season:

 

 

Stoke (a)

 

Last season was one of our best performances, won 3-1. This year we didn't play as well but Stoke hadn't had a shot on target until the last 10 mins. Should have got 3 points, instead got none.

 

Better performance last season.

 

Wigan (h)

 

Took until the last 10 mins for Cabaye to curl it into the corner from outside the box for a 1-0 win. I remember thinking that if Rodallega had been able to hit a barn door we probably wouldn't have got all the points. This year we carved them open inside 10 mins - red card and penalty making the rest of the game very straightforward.

 

Better performance this season

 

Fulham (a)

 

Total capitulation last year. At times it wasn't great this year either, but still an improvement. Although the side we faced probably wasn't as good either.

 

Better performance this season

 

Man City (h)

 

Same margin of defeat. We probably threatened them more this year, however I thought City were imperious last year. I'd say we were better last season.

 

Better performance last season.

 

QPR (h)

 

I'd say both sides actually gave a better account of themselves this year. I remember thinking that you would never know the aim of the game was to score a goal by watching the last half hour last year. Shola got the winner this year with a strike very similar to Best's winner in January.

 

Slightly better this season.

 

Man United (a)

 

3 goals and hitting the woodwork twice is some effort at Old Trafford. Didn't get a point though, and unlike last year we had 11 men for the duration. You could point to our failure to defend properly this year as well. Hernandez put the ball in the net in stoppage time last year and was ruled offside, this year he did the same and was onside.

 

Could argue it either way but I'd say we were better this year.

 

Arsenal (a)

 

Threw it away towards the end of the game in both matches, but in very different circumstances. You could actually make a case for it being a better performance this season, but I just can't see past conceeding 7.

 

Better last season.

 

Everton (h)

 

2-1 win last year, 2-1 defeat this year. Again, very comparable performances though. Got a bit of luck last year with  Gosling's handball in the box, and I'd say we were a bit unlucky this year. If we'd played the day before like nearly everyone else we may have had Ba upfront, and perhaps we should have been 2 up at half time. Having said that the total lack of strength on the bench helped Everton to be very comfortable in the end, and they are probably a better side than when we played them last season.

 

Better last year

 

Brighton (a)

 

Two absolutely shocking performances. I recall Pardew had Jonas in the middle of a midfield 3 and Best on the wing. His selection was even worse this year and so was the performance.

 

Better last year.

 

Norwich (a)

 

Shambolic defensive performance last season resulting in 4 goals being conceeded. Although Pardew was forced into a centre back pairing of Simpson and Perch so it wasn't entirely his fault. I actually remember us playing some decent football in that match, however that positive was nullified by the comedy defending and Gosling being senselessly sent off.  This year it was a dreadful performance, the only positive was probably the clean sheet.

 

Again could argue either way which was the better performance.

 

Bearing in mind we sold Best and Guthrie and only brought in Anita for the 1st team, and we haven't had  Taylor available for any of the last 9 games, and have only had HBA and Cabaye for one game each, I'd say I'm not too disappointed with what Pardew has been getting from the players in terms of performances at the moment.

 

Last year he is the manager of the season, this year the ball bounces in a few different directions and we get a bit less luck, meaning we end up with 6 less points from the same 10 games, and he is worse than s***.

 

It is exactly that sort of hysterical rubbish which has made our fans a laughing stock up and down the country in the past, and fortunately its almost entirely confined to the internet.

 

But now we have all but 2 of the hardest away games out of the way, players coming back from injury, and hopefully some new players coming in. He must start winning now or he will find that he will start to get some stick on matchdays. I rate him and I think he will.

 

 

 

 

 

[Mick]

Pardew said: ‘When we come to Reading, this is a battling side we’re playing. They’re great at set plays — but the striker Pogrebnyak, he falls over.

 

‘He’s one of the worst players I’ve seen for falling over and buying free-kicks, so we have got to be clever.’

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2264739/Pavel-Pogrebnyak-worst-divers--Alan-Pardew.html#ixzz2INHYMQFG

 

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When I read "When we come to Reading" I thought they were quotes from the game earlier in the season.

 

[Dave]

You've posted most of that before. At the time you said:

 

If he gets 3 points v Everton (which will be tougher game than last season) then I will be satisfied that he has turned it around from the performances v Southampton and West Ham, which obviously weren't acceptable.

 

We lost.

 

Last year he is the manager of the season, this year the ball bounces in a few different directions and we get a bit less luck, meaning we end up with 6 less points from the same 10 games, and he is worse than s***.

 

It is exactly that sort of hysterical rubbish which has made our fans a laughing stock up and down the country in the past, and fortunately its almost entirely confined to the internet.

 

I find that incredible tbh, particularly the assessment in bold.

[madras]

I can't think of another manager in the league who would still be in a job after the sort of run we've had recently.  Even Fergie would be at home collecting his pension after a run of 7 points from the last 12 games (and a bonus arse kicking from a team 1 league below us in the cup).

didn't david moyes go through a similar after a good season.

 

don't think many at everton were blaming him directly for mismanaging what he had at his disposal mind, neil may tell us.

 

We have 21 points after 22 games.  Do you think that's anywhere near acceptable with what Pardew's had "at his disposal?"

 

To help you, and for the avoidance of doubt and total waffle, here is every player in our squad with 1+ league appearance this season:

 

Player Apps

Tim Krul 18

Fabricio Coloccini 14

Davide Santon 22

Yohan Cabaye 9+1

Danny Simpson 15+1

Mike Williamson 17

Vurnon Anita 15+3

Papiss Cissé 19+1

Hatem Ben Arfa 13

James Perch 14+3

Ryan Taylor 0+1

Jonás Gutiérrez 18

Demba Ba 19+1

Gaël Bigirimana 3+8

Sylvain Marveaux 6+7

Shola Ameobi 3+11

Cheick Tioté 13+1

Gabriel Obertan 3+8

Mathieu Debuchy 1

Steven Taylor 10+1

Sammy Ameobi 1+7

Nile Ranger 0+2

Shane Ferguson 4+5

James Tavernier 0+2

Steve Harper 4

thanks for re pointing out what i'd already said. 

 

Are you for real?

 

Honestly, hang on a second.  Are you saying that Moyes had a poor season but that it was understandable given what he had at his disposable and that we can say similar about Pardew?  Given the appearance figures I've posted?  Just want to clarify that point, before I argue otherwise.

no, i'm saying what i said in the bit you emboldend. seems plain to me, pardew has a lot more at his disposal than moyes had, maybe neil can cast more light on that as i'm not too clever on that everton team.

 

 

 

Fair enough then, it reads differently to me.

 

At the moment it seems to me that everyone is to blame to varying degrees - Ashley, Llambias, Pardew, staff, experienced players, young players - it's all been a massive f*** up from the summer 2012 until now.  And because no party is an overwhelming scapegoat, nobody is getting the finger pointed at them too enthusiastically yet.  But it'll happen at some point and quite often the manager bears the brunt.  Above all else, this season after last is just totally unacceptable - last season shouldn't have been built on sand in theory but we've just completely and utterly f***ing blown it and it's so likely to come back to haunt us.  Everton probably managed to keep most of their players after they finished 4th bottom for a start, and I doubt we'll be so lucky.

transfer wise it's easy to cast blame but we haven't got a clue whats going on.

 

on the pitch is different, it's very transparent and we know pardew has got it wrong.

 

I think it's quite black and white transfer-wise - we lost Best, Lovenkrands, Guthrie and Smith (only significant in terms of wages) last summer and we only bought one proven player in (Anita).  That was despite having needed a centre half since summer 2011 and in the knowledge we'd been lucky with injuries the previous season and had more games and travel upcoming due to us qualifying for Europe.  There's no excuse for that happening, it doesn't matter about your arguments in relation to intent and all the rest of it - you make it sound like we had 3 or 4 targets that we just missed out on and for that reason we need to bite the bullet and stay patient until the next transfer window.  It shouldn't work like that when it's costing you points week after week, you need to avoid leaving your squad short by hook or by crook.

i'd say we hadn't been lucky with injuries, ben arfa out for a while, steven taylor likewise, even santon, guthrie didn'y play all those games through suspensions !

 

many clubs are short in certain positions, ask the mackems how long they wanted a left back for, look at spurs up front beyond adebayour and defoe, glenn johnson's played left back this season hasn't he ?

 

you get me wrong, i don't say stay patient, i say get evidence. in what walks of life will you slag someone off when you really haven't got a clue whats went on ?

 

1) You've watched us for longer than I have.  I've watched us for about 20 seasons and last season was one of the luckiest we've had for injuries, I swear to God I'm not imagining that.  Ben Arfa had to ease himself back in yes, Taylor had his usual half season out, but apart from that - nah.  Nothing more than the odd knock, and not very many simultaneously.

 

2) I'm not talking to you about the "many clubs" argument, I find it incredibly tedious.  I'm bothered about NUFC and we play Mike Williamson in over 3 quarters of our games.  We have 2 centre forwards and one of them is Shola Ameobi.

 

3) Get evidence. My evidence was that we were 4 players down and 1 player up last summer when we actually needed to increase the size of our squad.  I'm judged on results at work, are you?  One of the board's 'results' is equipping the manager with a good enough squad to compete.

 

Honestly, f***ing hell.

1) take a look at the appearances for last season, see how many games williamson, obertan, raylor, guthrie played. (not including best as that was pre cisse_

 

2) just pointing out that other clubs have the same problem.

 

3) dodgy one. yes the squad should be bigger (see point 2) and in my opinion the manager has had the tools and misused them. check my history after practically every game.

[Dave]

Bearing in mind we sold Best and Guthrie and only brought in Anita for the 1st team, and we haven't had Cabaye or Taylor available for any of the last 6 games, and have only had HBA for one of them, I'd say I'm happy with what Pardew is getting from the players in terms of performances at the moment.

 

LLLD

 

Bearing in mind we sold Best and Guthrie and only brought in Anita for the 1st team, and we haven't had  Taylor available for any of the last 9 games, and have only had HBA and Cabaye for one game each, I'd say I'm not too disappointed with what Pardew has been getting from the players in terms of performances at the moment.

 

[taxfree]

 

And still not disappointed. Not hard to please, are you? Jesus.

[Guest bimpy474]

What in the blue fuck

[Spudil]

[Robster]

Jesus

[Interpolic]

I can't think of another manager in the league who would still be in a job after the sort of run we've had recently.  Even Fergie would be at home collecting his pension after a run of 7 points from the last 12 games (and a bonus arse kicking from a team 1 league below us in the cup).

didn't david moyes go through a similar after a good season.

 

don't think many at everton were blaming him directly for mismanaging what he had at his disposal mind, neil may tell us.

 

We have 21 points after 22 games.  Do you think that's anywhere near acceptable with what Pardew's had "at his disposal?"

 

To help you, and for the avoidance of doubt and total waffle, here is every player in our squad with 1+ league appearance this season:

 

Player Apps

Tim Krul 18

Fabricio Coloccini 14

Davide Santon 22

Yohan Cabaye 9+1

Danny Simpson 15+1

Mike Williamson 17

Vurnon Anita 15+3

Papiss Cissé 19+1

Hatem Ben Arfa 13

James Perch 14+3

Ryan Taylor 0+1

Jonás Gutiérrez 18

Demba Ba 19+1

Gaël Bigirimana 3+8

Sylvain Marveaux 6+7

Shola Ameobi 3+11

Cheick Tioté 13+1

Gabriel Obertan 3+8

Mathieu Debuchy 1

Steven Taylor 10+1

Sammy Ameobi 1+7

Nile Ranger 0+2

Shane Ferguson 4+5

James Tavernier 0+2

Steve Harper 4

thanks for re pointing out what i'd already said. 

 

Are you for real?

 

Honestly, hang on a second.  Are you saying that Moyes had a poor season but that it was understandable given what he had at his disposable and that we can say similar about Pardew?  Given the appearance figures I've posted?  Just want to clarify that point, before I argue otherwise.

no, i'm saying what i said in the bit you emboldend. seems plain to me, pardew has a lot more at his disposal than moyes had, maybe neil can cast more light on that as i'm not too clever on that everton team.

 

 

 

Fair enough then, it reads differently to me.

 

At the moment it seems to me that everyone is to blame to varying degrees - Ashley, Llambias, Pardew, staff, experienced players, young players - it's all been a massive f*** up from the summer 2012 until now.  And because no party is an overwhelming scapegoat, nobody is getting the finger pointed at them too enthusiastically yet.  But it'll happen at some point and quite often the manager bears the brunt.  Above all else, this season after last is just totally unacceptable - last season shouldn't have been built on sand in theory but we've just completely and utterly f***ing blown it and it's so likely to come back to haunt us.  Everton probably managed to keep most of their players after they finished 4th bottom for a start, and I doubt we'll be so lucky.

transfer wise it's easy to cast blame but we haven't got a clue whats going on.

 

on the pitch is different, it's very transparent and we know pardew has got it wrong.

 

I think it's quite black and white transfer-wise - we lost Best, Lovenkrands, Guthrie and Smith (only significant in terms of wages) last summer and we only bought one proven player in (Anita).  That was despite having needed a centre half since summer 2011 and in the knowledge we'd been lucky with injuries the previous season and had more games and travel upcoming due to us qualifying for Europe.  There's no excuse for that happening, it doesn't matter about your arguments in relation to intent and all the rest of it - you make it sound like we had 3 or 4 targets that we just missed out on and for that reason we need to bite the bullet and stay patient until the next transfer window.  It shouldn't work like that when it's costing you points week after week, you need to avoid leaving your squad short by hook or by crook.

i'd say we hadn't been lucky with injuries, ben arfa out for a while, steven taylor likewise, even santon, guthrie didn'y play all those games through suspensions !

 

many clubs are short in certain positions, ask the mackems how long they wanted a left back for, look at spurs up front beyond adebayour and defoe, glenn johnson's played left back this season hasn't he ?

 

you get me wrong, i don't say stay patient, i say get evidence. in what walks of life will you slag someone off when you really haven't got a clue whats went on ?

 

1) You've watched us for longer than I have.  I've watched us for about 20 seasons and last season was one of the luckiest we've had for injuries, I swear to God I'm not imagining that.  Ben Arfa had to ease himself back in yes, Taylor had his usual half season out, but apart from that - nah.  Nothing more than the odd knock, and not very many simultaneously.

 

2) I'm not talking to you about the "many clubs" argument, I find it incredibly tedious.  I'm bothered about NUFC and we play Mike Williamson in over 3 quarters of our games.  We have 2 centre forwards and one of them is Shola Ameobi.

 

3) Get evidence. My evidence was that we were 4 players down and 1 player up last summer when we actually needed to increase the size of our squad.  I'm judged on results at work, are you?  One of the board's 'results' is equipping the manager with a good enough squad to compete.

 

Honestly, f***ing hell.

1) take a look at the appearances for last season, see how many games williamson, obertan, raylor, guthrie played. (not including best as that was pre cisse_

 

2) just pointing out that other clubs have the same problem.

 

3) dodgy one. yes the squad should be bigger (see point 2) and in my opinion the manager has had the tools and misused them. check my history after practically every game.

 

The reason that those relatively shite players played so many games last season is due to how thin the squad was/is, and only an idiot or thoroughly stubborn and contrary person couldn't see or articulate that as an obvious reality.  11 purples means shite players get lots of games.

 

Again, I'm not that bothered about other clubs, this is just one of your 3 or 4 very tedious arguments that people generally can't be arsed to argue against.  I don't even know or care who Sunderland's left back is and Spurs have enough players in other positions to compensate for their lack of strikers given the way the modern game is played.  Your point about Glenn Johnson playing left back is beyond belief, I don't even know where to start.

 

The actual point here is we needed to improve our squad last year in the face of quite clear evidence that we'd been riding our luck with injuries (that is if you've been paying attention to our injury list over recent years) and the reality that we'd have at least 6 more games and lots more travelling due to getting into Europe.  We ended up with less players than we started and you think we can't judge because we "don't know what's went on".  If I was asked to do something at work and I didn't achieve it, they wouldn't give a fuck if I had a cold or the systems were down or whatever.  The people at the top of NUFC had a duty to do right by the club last summer and no amount of mitigating circumstances get them off the hook.