Lotus Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Didn't Llambiarse say everyone is allowed one bad season? I guess this is Pardew's (unless we win the Euro cup). I guess then that next season will determine if they stick or twist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 It is when you get injuries and suspensions that you see how good a manager you have. Pardew was found wanting when it happened to us, so much so that he actually lost us points due to his incompetence..see Reading. I'd be looking to upgrade in the Summer. Why do people post this? Aside from it being blindingly obvious that it's what you'd 'want', it's near enough the least likely thing to ever happen. Just picture people posting it, then reclining and thinking to themselves, 'Yeah, I've made my point there. This is how shit's going down.'. All with a smug, self appreciating grin on their face. nailonhead.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I see Tweedledee has arose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Why do people still want him gone? ok at the time of Reading it sort of made sense but since then its been great, he deserves a chance to prove himself with the players at his disposal. Not sure if anyone's noticed but we have lost just once in 6 games since the signings were made, and honestly that game was to probably the most in form team in the country at the moment where we had one of our best players injured half way through. ( Gouffran) A misunderstanding between Colo and Taylor leading to their 2nd goal. We could have easily got a result that day if things went differently and if we did we would be laughing, there was a period where i wanted him gone because i didn't think he could turn it around but the new signings has gave anyone renewed optimism and that includes the manager. Also before Stu mentions it and i know he will, yes the return of Cabaye, Saylor and Tiote too ! On top of all this i don't know about the rest of you, but the style of football has been alright too IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 It is when you get injuries and suspensions that you see how good a manager you have. Pardew was found wanting when it happened to us, so much so that he actually lost us points due to his incompetence..see Reading. I'd be looking to upgrade in the Summer. Why do people post this? Aside from it being blindingly obvious that it's what you'd 'want', it's near enough the least likely thing to ever happen. Just picture people posting it, then reclining and thinking to themselves, 'Yeah, I've made my point there. This is how shit's going down.'. All with a smug, self appreciating grin on their face. nailonhead.gif Absolutely. It's a pointless debate we're having here as there is virtually no chance Pardew will be leaving in the short-term (I'd say October/November this year would be the earliest his position will come under scrutiny and that would only be after a calamitous set of results). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 With the help of these signings, he looks as if he's about to turn what looked a doomed situation around. Coupled with the changes he's made to our formation and the decreasing amount of long-balls, I think he's now deserved the chance to prove himself again. We saw last season that his approach can get us results. The reason we won so many games by the odd goal etc. was partly because of his negative/defensive/backs-to-the-wall set up. It may not be pretty, we may not ever like it and I for one do not think it's a good way to approach the game. But if it can get us results again, with a bit more quality in the team, I'm willing to see him have a crack next season. Another period like the one we experienced between November and the Reading game and that's it. Especially with the backing he's got now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Newcastle United 0 - 1 West Ham United Newcastle United 1 - 2 Swansea City Southampton 2 - 0 Newcastle United Stoke City 2 - 1 Newcastle United Newcastle United 3 - 0 Wigan Athletic Fulham 2 - 1 Newcastle United Newcastle United 1 - 3 Manchester City Newcastle United 1 - 0 Queens Park Rangers Manchester United 4 - 3 Newcastle United Arsenal 7 - 3 Newcastle United Newcastle United 1 - 2 Everton Norwich City 0 - 0 Newcastle United Newcastle United 1 - 2 Reading That really shouldn't have happened It's interesting the fine margins we're talking about here between Pardew being considered successful (or not). Forgetting about injuries etc. I'd say we only had four very bad games in that run (West Ham, Southampton, Fulham and Reading). Swansea I didn't think we were great but I thought we were unlucky to be hit on the break for the second goal when we were really pressing them for an equaliser, Stoke we were OK and got caught by two late goals, City always going to be tough, Man U we played some great stuff but then got beat in the last minute, Arsenal we again played some great stuff for 70 minutes and then unfortunately fell apart (can be partly attributed to Arsenal not playing on Boxing Day I think) and then Everton not amazing but beaten by 1 goal by a top 7 team. Am I happy with what happened during that run? No. But I do think that Pardew probably wasn't far off picking up a few more points during that run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I think Pardew has done a good job of integrating the new players very quickly. Our performances (ie not just the results) have been completely transformed. He must be doing something right there. As to whether we should have ended up in that position - that's another matter. I think Pardew made a mistake in persisting with Ba when it was clear that he was looking for the opportunity to move on, and was effectively dictating terms to Pardew in the meantime. He should have been given the message in the summer that he plays where he's picked or he moves on. It wasn't as though the partnership with Cisse was looking that great anyway. We could also say that the Board (and perhaps Pardew as well) were blinded by the 5th place finish and didn't take action early enough to strengthen the side. Whatever, Pardew has shown some ability to turn things round very quickly and has to be given far more time to move things forward. The next transfer window should offer the club a really good opportunity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Pardew didn't dare piss Ba off because he wasn't convinced the club would replace him. Same reason why Ameobi was refused permission to go to the Africa Cup of Nations. Pathetic really, hope we've seen the end of that shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Pardew didn't dare piss Ba off because he wasn't convinced the club would replace him. Same reason why Ameobi was refused permission to go to the Africa Cup of Nations. Pathetic really, hope we've seen the end of that shit. Good point . And if he felt that way, why wouldn't the fans feel any different and therefore be worried about what was impending ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Pardew didn't dare piss Ba off because he wasn't convinced the club would replace him. Same reason why Ameobi was refused permission to go to the Africa Cup of Nations. Pathetic really, hope we've seen the end of that shit. I'm not so sure. I think it was a misjudgement borne of over-confidence in his abilities. He thought he could manage a situation that was actually not manageable. The better decision would have been to cut one's losses early. I mean, he actually promised Ba, in public, that he'd play 90% of his games down the centre. It can't be right for a manager to be publicly dictated to by a player like that. That's aside from whether it was the right decision in football terms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Newcastle United 0 - 1 West Ham United Newcastle United 1 - 2 Swansea City Southampton 2 - 0 Newcastle United Stoke City 2 - 1 Newcastle United Newcastle United 3 - 0 Wigan Athletic Fulham 2 - 1 Newcastle United Newcastle United 1 - 3 Manchester City Newcastle United 1 - 0 Queens Park Rangers Manchester United 4 - 3 Newcastle United Arsenal 7 - 3 Newcastle United Newcastle United 1 - 2 Everton Norwich City 0 - 0 Newcastle United Newcastle United 1 - 2 Reading That really shouldn't have happened It's interesting the fine margins we're talking about here between Pardew being considered successful (or not). Forgetting about injuries etc. I'd say we only had four very bad games in that run (West Ham, Southampton, Fulham and Reading). Swansea I didn't think we were great but I thought we were unlucky to be hit on the break for the second goal when we were really pressing them for an equaliser, Stoke we were OK and got caught by two late goals, City always going to be tough, Man U we played some great stuff but then got beat in the last minute, Arsenal we again played some great stuff for 70 minutes and then unfortunately fell apart (can be partly attributed to Arsenal not playing on Boxing Day I think) and then Everton not amazing but beaten by 1 goal by a top 7 team. Am I happy with what happened during that run? No. But I do think that Pardew probably wasn't far off picking up a few more points during that run. On the flip side we were unfairly given a penalty against Wigan and them a man sent off, we were 10 minutes from a draw at home to QPR and a late Grant Holt header away from defeat at Carrow Road. It works both ways. Alan Skarare Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Pardew didn't dare piss Ba off because he wasn't convinced the club would replace him. Same reason why Ameobi was refused permission to go to the Africa Cup of Nations. Pathetic really, hope we've seen the end of that shit. I said at the time that I understood why he was doing it, it was still the wrong thing to do though, 100%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Pardew didn't dare p*ss Ba off because he wasn't convinced the club would replace him. Same reason why Ameobi was refused permission to go to the Africa Cup of Nations. Pathetic really, hope we've seen the end of that s***. I'm not so sure. I think it was a misjudgement borne of over-confidence in his abilities. He thought he could manage a situation that was actually not manageable. The better decision would have been to cut one's losses early. I mean, he actually promised Ba, in public, that he'd play 90% of his games down the centre. It can't be right for a manager to be publicly dictated to by a player like that. That's aside from whether it was the right decision in football terms. I saw that decision one of the worst he made , and thought he was a moron to under state the team for just one selfish player. Some of his loyalty showings are just too much, it was not like we sold Ba for 70 Million pounds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I read a stat on Spurs that they are 11th in te possession rankings. Good for thought IMO. AVB has received a lot of credit on here for controlling games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Pardew gets over criticised for te Ba situation. He saw Ba as the main man and positioned him as such. That is what you do with your star players. Partly, it was to help convince Ba to stay but Ba was justifying it with his performances. We all forgot that he actually dropped Ba unfairly at Everton. Ba comes on, scores twice and gets us a point by himself. At that moment, Ba was #1 in Pardews mind and he saw how vital Ba was. Clean sheets and Demba Ba goals was the foundation of last seasons success lets not forget. Can't blame him for trying to get back to that. Didn't work. Fair enough. But it wasn't horrible management by any shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 It was one of Pardew's biggest mistakes. No way should Ba have been prioritised in the way he was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Truthfully, I don't think it cost is any/many points. Seemingly Ba was popular in the dressing room, was said he and Cabaye where seen as leaders of the French speakers. Would've caused more disruption benching or playing the current goal scorer wide for someone woefully out of form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I think it was a big mistake to ever move Cisse out of the centre, but I'm still not convinced that Pardew was doing it 100% to keep Ba happy. Not that it matters now anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Pardew gets over criticised for te Ba situation. He saw Ba as the main man and positioned him as such. That is what you do with your star players. Partly, it was to help convince Ba to stay but Ba was justifying it with his performances. We all forgot that he actually dropped Ba unfairly at Everton. Ba comes on, scores twice and gets us a point by himself. At that moment, Ba was #1 in Pardews mind and he saw how vital Ba was. Clean sheets and Demba Ba goals was the foundation of last seasons success lets not forget. Can't blame him for trying to get back to that. Didn't work. Fair enough. But it wasn't horrible management by any shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Pardew gets over criticised for te Ba situation. He saw Ba as the main man and positioned him as such. That is what you do with your star players. Partly, it was to help convince Ba to stay but Ba was justifying it with his performances. We all forgot that he actually dropped Ba unfairly at Everton. Ba comes on, scores twice and gets us a point by himself. At that moment, Ba was #1 in Pardews mind and he saw how vital Ba was. Clean sheets and Demba Ba goals was the foundation of last seasons success lets not forget. Can't blame him for trying to get back to that. Didn't work. Fair enough. But it wasn't horrible management by any shot. Any time someone puts the individual over the needs of an entire team its horrible management. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Pardew gets over criticised for te Ba situation. He saw Ba as the main man and positioned him as such. That is what you do with your star players. Partly, it was to help convince Ba to stay but Ba was justifying it with his performances. We all forgot that he actually dropped Ba unfairly at Everton. Ba comes on, scores twice and gets us a point by himself. At that moment, Ba was #1 in Pardews mind and he saw how vital Ba was. Clean sheets and Demba Ba goals was the foundation of last seasons success lets not forget. Can't blame him for trying to get back to that. Didn't work. Fair enough. But it wasn't horrible management by any shot. Any time someone puts the individual over the needs of an entire team its horrible management. Aye and I think many of us are in agreement that fitting Ba centrally made the team suffer even though he himself performed fantastically. The problem wasn't really Ba but rather Pardew's reluctance to choose between him and Cissé, resulting in the horrible 4-4-2 with long-balls being our only way forward, or Cissé on the wing where he's horribly rubbish. So either way you look at it, Pardew really didn't get it right and should be blamed for the situation in my opinion. Had Pardew managed to structure his team in a way that allowed us to play football properly, we might have seen a side playing well with Ba in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Don't believe that for a second personally. Demba Ba was like our Bale, RVP, Suarez. Match winner, you put your match winners where they will be most devastating fr the team. Pardew thought that was Ba not Cisse. That's all. I dot think Cisse should've been wide either. The logic is clear and it makes sense. When we have no rhythm, focus on keeping clean sheets and Demba Ba will most likely score a scruffy goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 We look a far better outfit and far more likely to score goals post-Ba. Just saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 We look a far better outfit and far more likely to score goals post-Ba. Just saying. Although many will counter that statement with the new arrivals, I think you make a good point. The chemistry of the team looks better post Ba, and the general "meh" type reaction to such a brilliant player's departure probably indicates most fans knew that already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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