Alan Pardew

[SEMTEX]

Your position is clear, it's a fair enough stance. I just think it's a bit extreme. But I have had managers I hated irrationally too (Allardyce for example).

 

Maybe I am extreme, that's me but even I said leave off him till the end of the season. The only thing that would convince me to keep him on for next season is winning the Europa which isn't going to happen. For me he ranks alongside Allardyce & Souness only he has a bit more style, suave and bullshitting abilities. He's not as self centred as Allardyce i'll give you that as well, but personalities aside and concentrating fully on the football, very little separate these plums and what I cannot understand it the board over this while they sack one at great cost, they give the other a daft contract, maybe they too are sold on his diet of bullshit and deflection abilities, I just know i'm not.

 

 

 

 

fucking hell i hadn't realised opinions on Pardew were this bad. We finished 5th last season and now we want him gone?

 

 

If you look at all the clubs that consistantly challenge for the top places in the league they are either run by multi multi billionaires or have had a manager that has been at the club at least 10 years. If we want to challenge the top then we need that as well, and if its not pardew then fine, but if the new guy comes in and doesn't shine in his first 12 months then you'll want him gone too, never mind whether its good for the long term future of the club. I like Pardew as a person and despite a very poor showing this season, I can't see any justification for sacking him as this season has been a massive learning curve for the team.

 

I'd love to keep a manager for 10 years and have that consistency, but the issue I have is with the bit in bold. I personally feel that the team has been direction-less all season and have shown no signs of learning whatsoever. I'm fine with giving Pards more time, but I doubt anything will change by January, and he'll probably get hounded out by then.

[Flip]

Personally I think we need a couple of new coaches around Pardew who can improve our set pieces and attacking play.

 

That might be a good case, but that still only proves that Pardew is fucking worthless when it comes to offensive play. As for this:

 

Your position is clear, it's a fair enough stance. I just think it's a bit extreme. But I have had managers I hated irrationally too (Allardyce for example).

 

Maybe I am extreme, that's me but even I said leave off him till the end of the season. The only thing that would convince me to keep him on for next season is winning the Europa which isn't going to happen. For me he ranks alongside Allardyce & Souness only he has a bit more style, suave and bullshitting abilities. He's not as self centred as Allardyce i'll give you that as well, but personalities aside and concentrating fully on the football, very little separate these plums and what I cannot understand it the board over this while they sack one at great cost, they give the other a daft contract, maybe they too are sold on his diet of bullshit and deflection abilities, I just know i'm not.

 

 

f***ing hell i hadn't realised opinions on Pardew were this bad. We finished 5th last season and now we want him gone?

 

If you look at all the clubs that consistantly challenge for the top places in the league they are either run by multi multi billionaires or have had a manager that has been at the club at least 10 years. If we want to challenge the top then we need that as well, and if its not pardew then fine, but if the new guy comes in and doesn't shine in his first 12 months then you'll want him gone too, never mind whether its good for the long term future of the club. I like Pardew as a person and despite a very poor showing this season, I can't see any justification for sacking him as this season has been a massive learning curve for the team.

 

12 months? Pardew has had soon 30 months, and I think what many people worry about is that last season was very obviously down to a lot of individual brilliances at different periods of the season. Personally I don't think it was a lot due to Pardew, he obviously had a hand in it, but I think he's rode a lucky wave of different players surging at different times last season and his past records at other clubs agrees with my opinion.

[Flip]

Your position is clear, it's a fair enough stance. I just think it's a bit extreme. But I have had managers I hated irrationally too (Allardyce for example).

 

Maybe I am extreme, that's me but even I said leave off him till the end of the season. The only thing that would convince me to keep him on for next season is winning the Europa which isn't going to happen. For me he ranks alongside Allardyce & Souness only he has a bit more style, suave and bullshitting abilities. He's not as self centred as Allardyce i'll give you that as well, but personalities aside and concentrating fully on the football, very little separate these plums and what I cannot understand it the board over this while they sack one at great cost, they give the other a daft contract, maybe they too are sold on his diet of bullshit and deflection abilities, I just know i'm not.

 

 

 

 

f***ing hell i hadn't realised opinions on Pardew were this bad. We finished 5th last season and now we want him gone?

 

 

If you look at all the clubs that consistantly challenge for the top places in the league they are either run by multi multi billionaires or have had a manager that has been at the club at least 10 years. If we want to challenge the top then we need that as well, and if its not pardew then fine, but if the new guy comes in and doesn't shine in his first 12 months then you'll want him gone too, never mind whether its good for the long term future of the club. I like Pardew as a person and despite a very poor showing this season, I can't see any justification for sacking him as this season has been a massive learning curve for the team.

 

I'd love to keep a manager for 10 years and have that consistency, but the issue I have is with the bit in bold. I personally feel that the team has been direction-less all season and have shown no signs of learning whatsoever. I'm fine with giving Pards more time, but I doubt anything will change by January, and he'll probably get hounded out by then.

 

 

People seem to forget that we also want him to succeed, it's not that, it's just that the football been served at this club this season is abysmal and actually quite embarassing considering the players we've got and that most of us don't have any faith in him. I'd be more than happy to be wrong this one time (would obviously be the first time as Ramires proved to be a good player and that was the only discussion I drove this far)

[Zero]

I don't understand some of our fans so keen on getting rid of him, they don't see the bigger picture. 

 

The one thing that is patently obvious is that the squad like and respect the manager.  This shouldn't be overlooked, especially in a squad of players where one nationality outnumbers the rest significantly.  So for them to all get on as well as they do, can surely be no mean feat.  Some of you would be reluctant to acknowledge that achievement but it has to be said the squad is well managed.

 

This season has been a very weird one, the obvious period you could point at in November and December, and say that's where it all went wrong. 

 

Failing to juggle Europe with domestic fixtures, losing every game after a Europa League fixture.

Failing to beat Swansea at St James despite 27 shots (thanks BBC)

Getting robbed in the last 10 minutes at Stoke despite controlling the game.

A stretched team playing 4 games within 11 days.

 

Then December we had very difficult fixtures,  but could take many positives from performances - away at Old Trafford i thought we were superb, away at the Emirates for 70 minutes, again, we were superb IMO.  Both games he played a high defensive line, proving he isn't adverse to taking risks, like some are quick to point out.  Incidentally check out the starting lines up, championship-esque!

 

January we weren't bad at all, just a clusterfuck of bad luck together - Ba leaving, Cisse hopelessly out of form, Marveux being the only creative player we would start.  Against Reading - 2 shots on goal, 2 goals.  Everton, we couldn't capitalise on our superior possession and number of chances.

 

We dropped points left, right and center but you have to take into account all of the above.  Inadequate squad depth being the main problem, in no game was Pardew taught a lesson tactically or shown himself up tactically, far from it.

 

Since the new arrivals, the results are much more like last season, it has enabled the team to juggle Europa League/domestic a lot better, players have returned from injury and performances on the eye has been more pleasing.  Form since they arrived would see us sit 8th in the table.  Which suggests Pardew hasn't been 'found out' just yet. 

 

I haven't enjoyed this season but I can understand why the team is were it is in the league.  Next season, for me, without Europa League and having learnt his lessons in regards to having adequate depth would be a truer reflection on whether he is the man for the job.

 

Appointing a new manager in the summer.. you aren't guaranteed the squad will even take to the bloke, same in regards to standard of football - will it better?  It's highly unlikely they would appoint a proven manager and can any of us be sure they can work with the current structure within the club?

 

Sounds like a rash and needless gamble at this point in time.  Let's see what we have got first.

 

 

 

Some fans are extremely willing to take risks. The rationale is simple: this doesn't work, so let's draw lots again. If we didn't do so, we would not be able to challenge the top.

 

I never agree with this rationale, btw.

[Guest hobshobs]

Thursday night will answer a lot of questions relating to Pardew. There are no league points at stake, no need for him to even consider whether to go for a draw or not. We have to come out and go for the jugular, straight from the off. If we take the lead we need to keep going for a second. Plain and simple. The ground will be full and bouncing from the off, 100% behind the team. We all know Pardew can quickly muck up the fan factor with one of his non-sensical substitutions or farcical tactical tweaks. We don't need an Ameobi or an Obertan on the pitch. We need players with a decent touch, an ability to pass and move and a willingness to fight for the cause for 90 minutes. The fans know exactly what is needed, I know the players do, just a bit concerned that Pardew doesn't.

[cp40]

Thursday night will answer a lot of questions relating to Pardew. There are no league points at stake, no need for him to even consider whether to go for a draw or not. We have to come out and go for the jugular, straight from the off. If we take the lead we need to keep going for a second. Plain and simple. The ground will be full and bouncing from the off, 100% behind the team. We all know Pardew can quickly muck up the fan factor with one of his non-sensical substitutions or farcical tactical tweaks. We don't need an Ameobi or an Obertan on the pitch. We need players with a decent touch, an ability to pass and move and a willingness to fight for the cause for 90 minutes. The fans know exactly what is needed, I know the players do, just a bit concerned that Pardew doesn't.

 

Agree, but the Damage is done for the Haters, they are not for turning.

[Zero]

Thursday night will answer a lot of questions relating to Pardew. There are no league points at stake, no need for him to even consider whether to go for a draw or not. We have to come out and go for the jugular, straight from the off. If we take the lead we need to keep going for a second. Plain and simple. The ground will be full and bouncing from the off, 100% behind the team. We all know Pardew can quickly muck up the fan factor with one of his non-sensical substitutions or farcical tactical tweaks. We don't need an Ameobi or an Obertan on the pitch. We need players with a decent touch, an ability to pass and move and a willingness to fight for the cause for 90 minutes. The fans know exactly what is needed, I know the players do, just a bit concerned that Pardew doesn't.

 

Just curious, say we play all the players you want as starting eleven, and we need to make substitutes for the last 30 mins, which player in your opinion can come out to do a job then?

[colinmk]

Thursday night will answer a lot of questions relating to Pardew. There are no league points at stake, no need for him to even consider whether to go for a draw or not. We have to come out and go for the jugular, straight from the off. If we take the lead we need to keep going for a second. Plain and simple. The ground will be full and bouncing from the off, 100% behind the team. We all know Pardew can quickly muck up the fan factor with one of his non-sensical substitutions or farcical tactical tweaks. We don't need an Ameobi or an Obertan on the pitch. We need players with a decent touch, an ability to pass and move and a willingness to fight for the cause for 90 minutes. The fans know exactly what is needed, I know the players do, just a bit concerned that Pardew doesn't.

 

Agree, but the Damage is done for the Haters, they are not for turning.

 

If he does that on thursday no one in their right mind will be complaining.

 

 

[cp40]

Thursday night will answer a lot of questions relating to Pardew. There are no league points at stake, no need for him to even consider whether to go for a draw or not. We have to come out and go for the jugular, straight from the off. If we take the lead we need to keep going for a second. Plain and simple. The ground will be full and bouncing from the off, 100% behind the team. We all know Pardew can quickly muck up the fan factor with one of his non-sensical substitutions or farcical tactical tweaks. We don't need an Ameobi or an Obertan on the pitch. We need players with a decent touch, an ability to pass and move and a willingness to fight for the cause for 90 minutes. The fans know exactly what is needed, I know the players do, just a bit concerned that Pardew doesn't.

 

Agree, but the Damage is done for the Haters, they are not for turning.

 

If he does that on thursday no one in their right mind will be complaining.

 

 

 

 

there will be complainers still

[Hanshithispantz]

I don't understand some of our fans so keen on getting rid of him, they don't see the bigger picture. 

I could say the same thing in return, only my beliefs stem from me wanting the club to be the best it can be where as yours seem to come from a willingness for Pardew to be the man who makes that happen.

 

 

[Guest hobshobs]

Thursday night will answer a lot of questions relating to Pardew. There are no league points at stake, no need for him to even consider whether to go for a draw or not. We have to come out and go for the jugular, straight from the off. If we take the lead we need to keep going for a second. Plain and simple. The ground will be full and bouncing from the off, 100% behind the team. We all know Pardew can quickly muck up the fan factor with one of his non-sensical substitutions or farcical tactical tweaks. We don't need an Ameobi or an Obertan on the pitch. We need players with a decent touch, an ability to pass and move and a willingness to fight for the cause for 90 minutes. The fans know exactly what is needed, I know the players do, just a bit concerned that Pardew doesn't.

 

Just curious, say we play all the players you want as starting eleven, and we need to make substitutes for the last 30 mins, which player in your opinion can come out to do a job then?

 

No problem with any of the squad in terms of effort and commitment apart from Ameobi and Obertan as I already stated in my initial post.

[Benwell Lad]

Thursday night will answer a lot of questions relating to Pardew. There are no league points at stake, no need for him to even consider whether to go for a draw or not. We have to come out and go for the jugular, straight from the off. If we take the lead we need to keep going for a second. Plain and simple. The ground will be full and bouncing from the off, 100% behind the team. We all know Pardew can quickly muck up the fan factor with one of his non-sensical substitutions or farcical tactical tweaks. We don't need an Ameobi or an Obertan on the pitch. We need players with a decent touch, an ability to pass and move and a willingness to fight for the cause for 90 minutes. The fans know exactly what is needed, I know the players do, just a bit concerned that Pardew doesn't.

 

Agree, but the Damage is done for the Haters, they are not for turning.

 

If he does that on thursday no one in their right mind will be complaining.

 

 

 

Despite the different scores, Thursday night is not a lot different to the Anji game, i.e. if the opposition score we're probably fucked.

In fairness to Pardew he did very well that night when up against one of European football's grand masters.

[Hanshithispantz]

Don't get me wrong I would love Pardew to do well here from this point forward, in spite of the amount of shite he speaks when under pressure he's a very tolerable manager on the whole and his passion is fantastic (see yesterday).

[Flip]

Don't get me wrong I would love Pardew to do well here from this point forward, in spite of the amount of s**** he speaks when under pressure he's a very tolerable manager on the whole and his passion is fantastic (see yesterday).

 

 

Unfortunately he's not a good manager.

[Mick]

Thursday night will answer a lot of questions relating to Pardew. There are no league points at stake, no need for him to even consider whether to go for a draw or not. We have to come out and go for the jugular, straight from the off. If we take the lead we need to keep going for a second. Plain and simple. The ground will be full and bouncing from the off, 100% behind the team. We all know Pardew can quickly muck up the fan factor with one of his non-sensical substitutions or farcical tactical tweaks. We don't need an Ameobi or an Obertan on the pitch. We need players with a decent touch, an ability to pass and move and a willingness to fight for the cause for 90 minutes. The fans know exactly what is needed, I know the players do, just a bit concerned that Pardew doesn't.

 

Thursday will answer nothing, it's win or go out, he has no option other than to not even try.

[Hanshithispantz]

Thursday night will answer a lot of questions relating to Pardew. There are no league points at stake, no need for him to even consider whether to go for a draw or not. We have to come out and go for the jugular, straight from the off. If we take the lead we need to keep going for a second. Plain and simple. The ground will be full and bouncing from the off, 100% behind the team. We all know Pardew can quickly muck up the fan factor with one of his non-sensical substitutions or farcical tactical tweaks. We don't need an Ameobi or an Obertan on the pitch. We need players with a decent touch, an ability to pass and move and a willingness to fight for the cause for 90 minutes. The fans know exactly what is needed, I know the players do, just a bit concerned that Pardew doesn't.

 

Agree, but the Damage is done for the Haters, they are not for turning.

 

If he does that on thursday no one in their right mind will be complaining.

 

 

 

 

there will be complainers still

You're acting as if the "haters" haven't got a reason to hate though. I think it's perfectly reasonable to not be fully convinced by a man who has us in a relegation scrap

[Guest hobshobs]

Thursday night will answer a lot of questions relating to Pardew. There are no league points at stake, no need for him to even consider whether to go for a draw or not. We have to come out and go for the jugular, straight from the off. If we take the lead we need to keep going for a second. Plain and simple. The ground will be full and bouncing from the off, 100% behind the team. We all know Pardew can quickly muck up the fan factor with one of his non-sensical substitutions or farcical tactical tweaks. We don't need an Ameobi or an Obertan on the pitch. We need players with a decent touch, an ability to pass and move and a willingness to fight for the cause for 90 minutes. The fans know exactly what is needed, I know the players do, just a bit concerned that Pardew doesn't.

 

Thursday will answer nothing, it's win or go out, he has no option other than to not even try.

 

'Not even try' like at Manchester City and it will answer everything.

[Mick]

 

 

'Not even try' like at Manchester City and it will answer everything.

 

I doubt he'd do that, we've got too much potentially at stake, he'll try to get through, I'm sure of that.

 

Edit,

 

It looks like you might be onto something.

[Rich]

"They need to understand on Thursday that if we think we can go gung-ho against Benfica they'll just pick us off and we'll be chasing shadows. We need to be very intelligent on Thursday, play our way into the game and try and get a goal in that first half.

 

If we can get a goal ahead with twenty minutes to go I think we can do it and that's the position we've got to try and get to. We've got to do that in the right way and we could have one of the greatest weeks in the club's current history if we can do that."

 

Sorry if these have been mentioned. He loves that 70 minute mark.

[ponsaelius]

Sounds like we're going to come out shaking like a shitting dog.

[Skeletor]

Sounds like we're going to come out shaking like a shitting dog.

 

Indeed. 'Play our way into the game' sounds like we're handing them the early initiative.

[Yorkie]

Forgetting some of his (blatantly bullshit) comments in the media, personality-wise I see him as one of those people you'd hate if you were another club, but love him because he's ours - typified by yesterday, which isn't the first time he's gone bonkers on the touchline. As a bloke, I like him and it's probably one of the reasons why I've been more 'forgiveable'. That's not really the right word, I feel I've chastised him as much as any when he's deserved it.

 

My hunch is that he's not going to have us ever pushing for CL places again... a target I see as the limit for this team (+ some shrewd additions). But I've seen him do it and I'm still prepared to give him until about Christmas time to prove that he can take us forward.

[TheHoob]

"They need to understand on Thursday that if we think we can go gung-ho against Benfica they'll just pick us off and we'll be chasing shadows. We need to be very intelligent on Thursday, play our way into the game and try and get a goal in that first half.

 

If we can get a goal ahead with twenty minutes to go I think we can do it and that's the position we've got to try and get to. We've got to do that in the right way and we could have one of the greatest weeks in the club's current history if we can do that."

 

Sorry if these have been mentioned. He loves that 70 minute mark.

 

[midds]

Sounds like we're going to come out shaking like a shitting dog.

 

The only way we can pull it off is to score fairly early on, keep it tight and cagey and go for it late on with a late second so they can't respond. One daft mistake and we need 4 which isn't happening. If we score the 2 goals with 30 minutes to go then that leaves plenty of time for them to get their away goal to kill the tie.

 

In some respects his hands are tied on Thursday night. 

[dcmk]

I don't understand some of our fans so keen on getting rid of him, they don't see the bigger picture. 

I could say the same thing in return, only my beliefs stem from me wanting the club to be the best it can be where as yours seem to come from a willingness for Pardew to be the man who makes that happen.

 

 

 

If we could appoint the new Kevin Keegan/SBR - I would want the bloke gone ASAP.  It's more realistic to see the club next appoint someone like an unattached Curbishley.