54 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Good, a signing at last, hopefully he can deliver, as we have need his type of player for a long time. I am actually starting to look forward to the start of the season, well maybe West Ham. I'm just glad for some positive news for a change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Bent or Gomis would do nicely now (preferably Bent) but more importantly let's hope nobody is sold! I think we could surprise a few this season if Pards puts all our creative talent on the pitch at once Why preferably Bent? We have Cisse and Remy, two different strikers and Gomis would be another different option. Bent's just a poor mans Cisse so he's not a different option, plus he's older than Gomis. He seems like the worst option we could go for now. I like to see a British backbone in the team throughout the 90 minutes. Bent is a proven Premier League goalscorer who is desperate to get back in the England fold for next summer. A lot of people seem to be well clued up on these foreign 'stars'. How often do they actually see them play? I've never seen Gomis, not once. He's a proven goal scorer, but he plays in exactly the same style as our main striker, just without the ability to score goals he creates himself. If we're going for another striker don't you think we should want someone who offers something different? Fair enough if your reasoning is you haven't seen anything of Gomis. But he's obviously still a proven scorer at a good level and is that different kind of striker we're missing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejaxer Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 We might as well play in the French league with all the French players we have Chuffed to finally get this over the line, Remy and Ben Arfa on the wings with Cisse in the middle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Exactly Teasy! That's why i don't really favour Bent! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I couldn't give a shit about buying English players, in fact I'd prefer it that we didn't because - by and large - they're not worth the money paid for them. The problem, where this argument is concerned, is our academy and our generally pitiful evolution of local youngsters. Carroll and Taylor are the only notable local 'successes' since the Keegan era - when we had Clark, Watson, Howey, Beardsley, Venison, Beresford and Shearer* as regular first-teamers over a period of a few years. Something clearly stinks at the academy because we don't produce good players, simple as that. But with teams across the league scouting younger players from abroad - as opposed to developing their own - I dare say we're not the only ones in such a predicament. *not an academy product but a Geordie nonetheless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I would like to have at least 3 English/Scottish players in our first 11. That said, value for money will always come first with this lot so it's pretty pointless to even debate it. If Cabaye gets sold off, and unfortunately he most certainly will in the next 18 months, I'd like to see his replacement be a Brit. McCarthy would be great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 http://stevehollier.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/league640.jpg Are they local? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 There is plenty of young English talent coming through, a lot of rough diamonds that have to be coached well and right during their development years. And then yes, on the flipside, you have the overpriced English player like Jordan Henderson. I ultimately want what's best for NUFC but I'd love to see some real English talent come through and make a mark at this football club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I would like to have at least 3 English/Scottish players in our first 11. That said, value for money will always come first with this lot so it's pretty pointless to even debate it. If Cabaye gets sold off, and unfortunately he most certainly will in the next 18 months, I'd like to see his replacement be a Brit. McCarthy would be great. In an ideal world, yeah. Not just for the sake of it though, like replacing Cabaye with McCarthy, for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I couldn't give a shit about buying English players, in fact I'd prefer it that we didn't because - by and large - they're not worth the money paid for them. The problem, where this argument is concerned, is our academy and our generally pitiful evolution of local youngsters. Carroll and Taylor are the only notable local 'successes' since the Keegan era. Something clearly stinks at the academy because we don't produce good players, simple as that. But with teams across the league scouting younger players from abroad - as opposed to developing their own - I dare say we're not the only ones in such a predicament. The North East just doesn't seem to produce good sportsmen across the board. I think it's partially a problem with mentality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I would like to have at least 3 English/Scottish players in our first 11. That said, value for money will always come first with this lot so it's pretty pointless to even debate it. If Cabaye gets sold off, and unfortunately he most certainly will in the next 18 months, I'd like to see his replacement be a Brit. McCarthy would be great. In an ideal world, yeah. Not just for the sake of it though, like signing replacing Cabaye with McCarthy, for example. Nobody suggested doing it just for the sake. If we have options, and of course we do, I'd rather we didn't fill the remaing gaps in our squad with players with no PL education/experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Wish Carroll was still our centre forward tbh. I know he left us etc, but I just wish that whole thing never happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I would like to have at least 3 English/Scottish players in our first 11. That said, value for money will always come first with this lot so it's pretty pointless to even debate it. If Cabaye gets sold off, and unfortunately he most certainly will in the next 18 months, I'd like to see his replacement be a Brit. McCarthy would be great. That's the main thing in general. We/other clubs would prefer to buy an Amalfitano or Good just because they're cheap when there's similarly talented British players in the lower levels who are being ignored because they cost a little bit more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Wish Carroll was still our centre forward tbh. I know he left us etc, but I just wish that whole thing never happened. Stuff like that I can agree with. It was great seeing a local lad wearing the number 9 and murdering defences nearly every week. Absolutely no idea how he even happened, given our academy's track record. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Carroll was born with the make-up for tremendous physical advantages which not even our 'academy' could negate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Carroll's success here was definitely a bit more special for me, but I'll probably feel that way about any player coming through the academy, foreign or English. I don't really find any special connection to English players, to the point where I'm much more excited about Europeans/South Americans. I'm just going to find it hard to relate to any player who makes thousands a week, but I guess if we signed an American it would be a different story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I couldn't give a shit about buying English players, in fact I'd prefer it that we didn't because - by and large - they're not worth the money paid for them. The problem, where this argument is concerned, is our academy and our generally pitiful evolution of local youngsters. Carroll and Taylor are the only notable local 'successes' since the Keegan era. Something clearly stinks at the academy because we don't produce good players, simple as that. But with teams across the league scouting younger players from abroad - as opposed to developing their own - I dare say we're not the only ones in such a predicament. The North East just doesn't seem to produce good sportsmen across the board. I think it's partially a problem with mentality. Historically it does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I realise that. Not in recent decades, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Carroll was born with the make-up for tremendous physical advantages which not even our 'academy' could negate. At his best he's got so much more than just a physical advantage. Don't get me wrong, he's a fucking specimen, but he's actually a very good, technical, footballer on his day. He's an absolute anomaly where our recent homegrown talent is concerned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Carroll was born with the make-up for tremendous physical advantages which not even our 'academy' could negate. At his best he's got so much more than just a physical advantage. Don't get me wrong, he's a f***ing specimen, but he's actually a very good, technical, footballer on his day. He's an absolute anomaly where our recent homegrown talent is concerned. Didn't ever quite know if he would amount to much, but then he hit a stride that still gives me chills. The way he played the first half of that season back up before that Daglish thunderbastard of a transfer offer.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 There's one thing i wish we did to negate this. We all know how ridiculously overpriced English players are, but why the f*ck why we are not trying our very hardest to improve the youth development to bring these players through is beyond me. Seems a happy marriage, the fat man can still be a cheap asshole and we have players coming from to keep the fans happy and have players we can relate to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Carroll was born with the make-up for tremendous physical advantages which not even our 'academy' could negate. At his best he's got so much more than just a physical advantage. Don't get me wrong, he's a f***ing specimen, but he's actually a very good, technical, footballer on his day. He's an absolute anomaly where our recent homegrown talent is concerned. Didn't ever quite know if he would amount to much, but then he hit a stride that still gives me chills. The way he played the first half of that season back up before that Daglish thunderbastard of a transfer offer.... Yep, be was brilliant - even if it was fuelled by physical dominance and relentless determination. Showed glimpses of his best at West Ham last season, too. To my annoyance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 There's one thing i wish we did to negate this. We all know how ridiculously overpriced English players are, but why the f*ck why we are not trying our very hardest to improve the youth development to bring these players through is beyond me. Seems a happy marriage, the fat man can still be a cheap asshole and we have players coming from to keep the fans happy and have players we can relate to. I do believe they have increased their spend on youth development (Membership revenue going straight to the Academy IIRC). Just a case of they don't know how to use the money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 We got an option to buy after the loan? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Carroll was born with the make-up for tremendous physical advantages which not even our 'academy' could negate. At his best he's got so much more than just a physical advantage. Don't get me wrong, he's a fucking specimen, but he's actually a very good, technical, footballer on his day. He's an absolute anomaly where our recent homegrown talent is concerned. If he'd been born shorter, smaller and with less explosiveness he'd be in League One with the rest of the rubbish from our youth setup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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