TRon Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Deckard Especially the comparisons to Hatem which are shockingly true. For a group of fans who apparently thrive on fast, direct, swashbuckling football we seem to absolutely detest any player who actually might make that happen. I've said it before but in 2014 we'd literally tut Messi off the pitch. This, totally agree. Never quite get the English mentality when watching football, Cabella did a couple of step overs and looked to create something but sadly came to nothing and the lads sat around me starting moaning, berating the lazy little so and so, moments later Colback crashed into someone and they were up out of their seats clapping and going batshit mental over his brilliance. Football fans, strange. 80% of football fans are thick as planks. No wonder Ashley was sat in his seat yesterday giggling like a schoolgirl. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicente_14 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 WOW! There's people out there that were berating Cabella already, based on that performance?! I think I would have got up and left if I was sitting beside someone like that at yesterday's game. I know, I couldn't believe what i was hearing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I could. It's like that every week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 You know what ... as disgusting as Pardew is, I really feel that a lot of fans would be just like him if they were in that hot seat. Ultimately getting annoyed with the fancy French dudes, and demanding they all "work harder", while playing the supposedly grittier locals instead, who really aren't that great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 It's not even a forrins vs locals thing. People love Gouffran even though he offers nowt going forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 You know what ... as disgusting as Pardew is, I really feel that a lot of fans would be just like him if they were in that hot seat. Ultimately getting annoyed with the fancy French dudes, and demanding they all "work harder", while playing the supposedly grittier locals instead, who really aren't that great. Course they would, it's not like Pardew is a unique example of this phenomenon. He's just the one that happens to manage Newcastle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 It's weird, there's a certain, very vocal, section of English fans who live and die by this "points are all that matters" mentality and somehow have came to the conclusion that the best way to consistently win those points is to play shit football. I'm sure we never used to be like that but 4 years of Pardew and we might as well Stoke City circa-2009. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I find it really difficult to understand how Newcastle supporters who saw Keegan's team could have come to develop this Pardew like mentality. It's not like he has ever managed to achieve anything close to what Keegan did with this negative approach. Very confusing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Keegan's team grafted their arse off as well, it wasn't just the flair there to love about them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Keegan's team grafted their arse off as well, it wasn't just the flair there to love about them. Yeah, but Pardew's mentality is graft and defend, at the expense of everything else, which shouldn't be acceptable really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shush Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Sissoko is very important to our team, I always want him starting. Only thing I was frustrated with by him was the shot he blazed over late in the game. It was a good moment, didn't need that much power to direct it in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Keegan's team grafted their arse off as well, it wasn't just the flair there to love about them. Yeah, but Pardew's mentality is graft and defend, at the expense of everything else, which shouldn't be acceptable really. I'm suggesting that those people with that sort of mentality towards football loved the graft in Keegan's team before the flair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Big difference between HBA& Siss with stuff coming off. HBA's general passing is good. Sissoko is liable to misplace simple balls time and time again. In one match he had a 66% pass completion rate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 They both lose possession for different reasons but without them we're impotent. Pardew, thankfully, loves Sissoko though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I think he struggles with some of the criticism HBA got/gets. When 90% of all of the chances we create involve him, it looks more obvious that he's "making bad choices" or whatever because he is failing more than succeeding. On the other side to that there is no one else in our team even close to offering what he does. He drives the team forward, he creates space for other players, he never stops running and I rarely see him slow. So yes, he might miss chances, he might misplace a pass or get it stuck under his feet when he's singled out on his own. But the fact that he had more assists than anyone last year is not by luck. I think if we can see more of him in the centre we'll see more of what people like about him. FWIW he's the first name on the team sheet imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Keegan's team grafted their arse off as well, it wasn't just the flair there to love about them. Yeah, but Pardew's mentality is graft and defend, at the expense of everything else, which shouldn't be acceptable really. I'm suggesting that those people with that sort of mentality towards football loved the graft in Keegan's team before the flair. People will love attacking football as long as it is getting results as well, which it was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Keegan's team grafted their arse off as well, it wasn't just the flair there to love about them. Yeah, but Pardew's mentality is graft and defend, at the expense of everything else, which shouldn't be acceptable really. I'm suggesting that those people with that sort of mentality towards football loved the graft in Keegan's team before the flair. Ah, right! Of course. Never even thought of it like that. Precisely what it would have been, yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 English people fucking love passion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 They both lose possession for different reasons but without them we're impotent. Pardew, thankfully, loves Sissoko though. Oh I agree. Sissoko makes things happen. Might prefer him on the wing though. If HBA isn't to come back from the dead i'd have: Sissoko CM1 + CM2 + Cabella De Jong ST Ideally HBA + Sissoko + Holder + Cabella De Jong ST I would cream myself with the fret. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 English people f***ing love passion. I love passion like, I think we all do. Obviously the problem is when some people think that that means sliding tackles, getting stuck in and shouting 'come on' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 "nothing player" is absurd but I can understand why people would give him stick. I was one of the first in this thread to point out he often struggles with the very basics of the game. Any player that often struggles to make simple passes is going to attract negative attention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Keegan's team grafted their arse off as well, it wasn't just the flair there to love about them. Yeah, but Pardew's mentality is graft and defend, at the expense of everything else, which shouldn't be acceptable really. I'm suggesting that those people with that sort of mentality towards football loved the graft in Keegan's team before the flair. Ah, right! Of course. Never even thought of it like that. Precisely what it would have been, yes. I'm not sure that's true, it was more that the team was playing well and winning at the same time. Also, it was generally a quite direct, pacey kind of flair rather than tricky and risky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 English people f***ing love passion. I love passion like, I think we all do. Obviously the problem is when some people think that that means sliding tackles, getting stuck in and shouting 'come on' I've seen a few people say that nutting David Meyler showed great passion. I think it's a really interesting discussion about football fans, what they like compared to what actually works. Unfortunately I never get past much more of a conclusion than most of them are idiots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Keegan's team grafted their arse off as well, it wasn't just the flair there to love about them. Yeah, but Pardew's mentality is graft and defend, at the expense of everything else, which shouldn't be acceptable really. I'm suggesting that those people with that sort of mentality towards football loved the graft in Keegan's team before the flair. Ah, right! Of course. Never even thought of it like that. Precisely what it would have been, yes. I'm not sure that's true, it was more that the team was playing well and winning at the same time. Also, it was generally a quite direct, pacey kind of flair rather than tricky and risky. It was definitely flair done in a traditional English way, plenty of pace down the wings and crosses. Appealed to both camps really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Was nothing but praise for Cabella around me yesterday. A couple of moaning simpletons isn't particularly representative of the general fanbase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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