ponsaelius Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I would never have thought Ashley would have spent the last 4 years since promotion buying players from France and Holland before we started doing it. It used to be a running forum joke that'd we'd only sign the quintessential British-based plodders because our contacts were so poor ("LOL we'll probably sign Carlton Cole" etc). It's not totally beyond the realms of possibility that if he realises a decent coach will mean inflating values of the imported players then we could actually think outside of the box for a manager like we did for players (not that it was particularly groundbreaking stuff, but neither would be appointing a good coach). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Must be said - I think the squad is terrible. The defence is a joke but we have a team full of France internationals, an england international, a couple of Holland internationals, a striker who lit up the league in his first season, and one of the Premier League's newest bright sparks. We're hardly Burnley are we? Admittedly it's not the strongest squad we've ever had but there's more than enough there to finish in the top 8 IMO. The fact that we look utter turd under Pardew has far more to do with Pardew than it does our group of players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Must be said - I think the squad is terrible. The defence is a joke but we have a team full of France internationals, an england international, a couple of Holland internationals, a striker who lit up the league in his first season, and one of the Premier League's newest bright sparks. We're hardly Burnley are we? Admittedly it's not the strongest squad we've ever had but there's more than enough there to finish in the top 8 IMO. The fact that we look utter turd under Pardew has far more to do with Pardew than it does our group of players. Not having that yet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 There's certainly enough there to not be bollocks every week. 100% Look at the state of Palace and what Pulis did with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Must be said - I think the squad is terrible. The defence is a joke but we have a team full of France internationals, an england international, a couple of Holland internationals, a striker who lit up the league in his first season, and one of the Premier League's newest bright sparks. We're hardly Burnley are we? Admittedly it's not the strongest squad we've ever had but there's more than enough there to finish in the top 8 IMO. The fact that we look utter turd under Pardew has far more to do with Pardew than it does our group of players. what? Only 4/5 of our first team are active internationals. And only 2 start for their nations. Our French internationals are Sissoko and Cabella. One is adapting to the league the other is slightly above average and can barely pass. We only finished top 8 last season due to 2 lads that aren't here anymore. This squad is weaker than lasts. Weaker in every area. We've lost the quality that separated us from the mire in the league. Our 'England international' is Jack Colback ffs. The squad is piss poor. 1 that Alan Pardew will relegate and another good manager might struggle with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Is Philip Cocu highly rated in Holland? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Zola would come here, IMO, and I'd snap every limb off to get him. Based on what? Done nothing at all as manager of West Ham and couldnt get Watfords team up despite being given the best players in the league Based on the fact he's not Alan Pardew and he actually gets his teams to attack. Doesn't mean I actually think he's any good, he'd simply have a refreshing philosophy considering what we've generally been served up over the last 4 years. You would snap every limb off for someone you dont think is very good? Strange logic I'd snap every limb off to not witness an Alan Pardew borefest ever again. I'm at the point where I just want us to attack and be somewhat exciting. To play some actual football. No you said for Zola, not to be rid of Pardew. Big difference and i dont remember Watford being that exciting either I'm confused as to how you think my wanting of Zola and dislike of Pardew are mutually exclusive? Watford played some very decent stuff during his tenure. I'll rephrase: the dross that has been on show for the last 4 years has led me to a place of desperation where I'd happily have a manager I don't even rate that much to be put in charge of the team simply because he sets teams up to win games by as many goals as possible. Your original post was solely about Zola. There was no mention of Pardew and the idea you would snap off every limb to get another poor manager is bizarre. I would reserve that for unrealistic mangers but not one i admit to not rating. It doesnt have to be mutually excusive to be stupid tbh It's a bizarre situation. There are probably hundreds of suggestions on this forum for potential managers that aren't much good, but the standards have frankly been levelled and there's not much in the way of hope, so anything better will suffice. In this case, 'better' means someone who'll come in and at least try and do something entertaining, forget winning stuff. I'm really not sure what you're trying to achieve by focusing rigidly on me not specifically mentioning Pardew in my post as if nothing can be ever be implied. This is a 'Who would you go for?' thread which directly relates to Pardew's sacking, it's inevitably going to overlap. If we were a club that was run well then I certainly wouldn't be wanting to snap anything off for Zola, but we aren't and I don't envisage us getting anyone in that's decent. All that's left is someone who won't play monumentally restrictive stuff, doesn't mind having players bought for him and isn't a total knobhead. There's a list of 100 managers that I'd have, but the vast majority won't come here while Ashley and his structure are around. I'll avoid any facetiousness in my posts, in future, just for you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 We won't get entertainment for another 3 months at least probably, we should go for someone with a long-term plan and commitment to decent football. The challenge is that they now also have to streetwise enough to keep us in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Zola would come here, IMO, and I'd snap every limb off to get him. Based on what? Done nothing at all as manager of West Ham and couldnt get Watfords team up despite being given the best players in the league Based on the fact he's not Alan Pardew and he actually gets his teams to attack. Doesn't mean I actually think he's any good, he'd simply have a refreshing philosophy considering what we've generally been served up over the last 4 years. You would snap every limb off for someone you dont think is very good? Strange logic I'd snap every limb off to not witness an Alan Pardew borefest ever again. I'm at the point where I just want us to attack and be somewhat exciting. To play some actual football. No you said for Zola, not to be rid of Pardew. Big difference and i dont remember Watford being that exciting either I'm confused as to how you think my wanting of Zola and dislike of Pardew are mutually exclusive? Watford played some very decent stuff during his tenure. I'll rephrase: the dross that has been on show for the last 4 years has led me to a place of desperation where I'd happily have a manager I don't even rate that much to be put in charge of the team simply because he sets teams up to win games by as many goals as possible. Your original post was solely about Zola. There was no mention of Pardew and the idea you would snap off every limb to get another poor manager is bizarre. I would reserve that for unrealistic mangers but not one i admit to not rating. It doesnt have to be mutually excusive to be stupid tbh It's a bizarre situation. There are probably hundreds of suggestions on this forum for potential managers that aren't much good, but the standards have frankly been levelled and there's not much in the way of hope, so anything better will suffice. In this case, 'better' means someone who'll come in and at least try and do something entertaining, forget winning stuff. I'm really not sure what you're trying to achieve by focusing rigidly on me not specifically mentioning Pardew in my post as if nothing can be ever be implied. This is a 'Who would you go for?' thread which directly relates to Pardew's sacking, it's inevitably going to overlap. If we were a club that was run well then I certainly wouldn't be wanting to snap anything off for Zola, but we aren't and I don't envisage us getting anyone in that's decent. All that's left is someone who won't play monumentally restrictive stuff, doesn't mind having players bought for him and isn't a total knobhead. There's a list of 100 managers that I'd have, but the vast majority won't come here while Ashley and his structure are around. I'll avoid any facetiousness in my posts, in future, just for you I dont care about your views on Pardew man, its always implied here. Your post was very much bigging up a poor manager as though he would be great for us. That was my sole issue. The only bizarre fact is you cant work out why i questioned it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 We won't get entertainment for another 3 months at least probably, we should go for someone with a long-term plan and commitment to decent football. The challenge is that they now also have to streetwise enough to keep us in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 A Dutch coach is a great shout. Often tactically astute, affordable and they tend to implement some long-term planning. I don't think Ashley would like working with a forrin but Carr might be a slither of hope with his contacts. Ashley seemed to trust his opinion too, not sure how much Pardew has destroyed that, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Must be said - I think the squad is terrible. The defence is a joke but we have a team full of France internationals, an england international, a couple of Holland internationals, a striker who lit up the league in his first season, and one of the Premier League's newest bright sparks. We're hardly Burnley are we? Admittedly it's not the strongest squad we've ever had but there's more than enough there to finish in the top 8 IMO. The fact that we look utter turd under Pardew has far more to do with Pardew than it does our group of players. what? Only 4/5 of our first team are active internationals. And only 2 start for their nations. Our French internationals are Sissoko and Cabella. One is adapting to the league the other is slightly above average and can barely pass. We only finished top 8 last season due to 2 lads that aren't here anymore. This squad is weaker than lasts. Weaker in every area. We've lost the quality that separated us from the mire in the league. Our 'England international' is Jack Colback ffs. The squad is p*ss poor. 1 that Alan Pardew will relegate and another good manager might struggle with. With Pardew in charge. That part cannot be understated. The squad we had last year was capable of so much more than it delivered, just like this one is but again, Pardew was/is at the helm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Must be said - I think the squad is terrible. The defence is a joke but we have a team full of France internationals, an england international, a couple of Holland internationals, a striker who lit up the league in his first season, and one of the Premier League's newest bright sparks. We're hardly Burnley are we? Admittedly it's not the strongest squad we've ever had but there's more than enough there to finish in the top 8 IMO. The fact that we look utter turd under Pardew has far more to do with Pardew than it does our group of players. what? Only 4/5 of our first team are active internationals. And only 2 start for their nations. Our French internationals are Sissoko and Cabella. One is adapting to the league the other is slightly above average and can barely pass. We only finished top 8 last season due to 2 lads that aren't here anymore. This squad is weaker than lasts. Weaker in every area. We've lost the quality that separated us from the mire in the league. Our 'England international' is Jack Colback ffs. The squad is p*ss poor. 1 that Alan Pardew will relegate and another good manager might struggle with. With Pardew in charge. That part cannot be understated. The squad we had last year was capable of so much more than it delivered, just like this one is but again, Pardew was/is at the helm. when we had MYM, Marv, HBA, Remy and Cabaye. This squad is very much a reflection and in the image of it's manager. Previously he had it too good. This is a lower half PL squad which he'll relegate. Last year at our best we would've been closer to spurs and Man Utd. at best. Perhaps Everton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Great posts from Sewelly. Absolutely nailing everything I've been ranting and raving about at work this morning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Articles on Tuchel for anyone who can be bothered to read them: http://bundesligafanatic.com/tuchel-mainz-retrospective/ http://sport.bt.com/sportfootball/football/europeanfootball/bundesliga/the-main-man-at-mainz-S11363876017120 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenige Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Someone just suggested to me that "surely Pulis is likely if Pardew goes?" As much as I hate Pardew, my immediate reaction was "ugh". Imagine Pulis stands up for himself a bit too much for Ashley though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Zola would come here, IMO, and I'd snap every limb off to get him. Based on what? Done nothing at all as manager of West Ham and couldnt get Watfords team up despite being given the best players in the league Based on the fact he's not Alan Pardew and he actually gets his teams to attack. Doesn't mean I actually think he's any good, he'd simply have a refreshing philosophy considering what we've generally been served up over the last 4 years. You would snap every limb off for someone you dont think is very good? Strange logic I'd snap every limb off to not witness an Alan Pardew borefest ever again. I'm at the point where I just want us to attack and be somewhat exciting. To play some actual football. No you said for Zola, not to be rid of Pardew. Big difference and i dont remember Watford being that exciting either I'm confused as to how you think my wanting of Zola and dislike of Pardew are mutually exclusive? Watford played some very decent stuff during his tenure. I'll rephrase: the dross that has been on show for the last 4 years has led me to a place of desperation where I'd happily have a manager I don't even rate that much to be put in charge of the team simply because he sets teams up to win games by as many goals as possible. Your original post was solely about Zola. There was no mention of Pardew and the idea you would snap off every limb to get another poor manager is bizarre. I would reserve that for unrealistic mangers but not one i admit to not rating. It doesnt have to be mutually excusive to be stupid tbh It's a bizarre situation. There are probably hundreds of suggestions on this forum for potential managers that aren't much good, but the standards have frankly been levelled and there's not much in the way of hope, so anything better will suffice. In this case, 'better' means someone who'll come in and at least try and do something entertaining, forget winning stuff. I'm really not sure what you're trying to achieve by focusing rigidly on me not specifically mentioning Pardew in my post as if nothing can be ever be implied. This is a 'Who would you go for?' thread which directly relates to Pardew's sacking, it's inevitably going to overlap. If we were a club that was run well then I certainly wouldn't be wanting to snap anything off for Zola, but we aren't and I don't envisage us getting anyone in that's decent. All that's left is someone who won't play monumentally restrictive stuff, doesn't mind having players bought for him and isn't a total knobhead. There's a list of 100 managers that I'd have, but the vast majority won't come here while Ashley and his structure are around. I'll avoid any facetiousness in my posts, in future, just for you I dont care about your views on Pardew man, its always implied here. Your post was very much bigging up a poor manager as though he would be great for us. That was my sole issue. The only bizarre fact is you cant work out why i questioned it I understand why you'd question the initial post but I have no idea why you can't seem to grasp that the suggestion was more to do with the context of the current situation/plight than actually rating someone. Zola is a realistic option considering our incredibly restrictive structure, in my opinion, and would be a better fit for this club than Pardew. As a result, I'd have him here. It's no more complex than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Tuchel was absolutely fantastic for Mainz last season but isn't there some sort of issue with his contract? He was supposed to be joining Stuggart but I haven't been following the Bundesliga too closely to see what happened there. I'm shit scared we'll end up with Moyes after reading Rio's article about him this morning. He sounds exactly like the type of manager we have now. According to Rio they always worked on stopping the opposition and negative tactics which rubbed off on the players. His training restricted what they could do any they had no confidence to express themselves going forward. It sounds frighteningly familiar to what has happened to us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I don't want Moyes, problem is I don't think we're in a position to be choosy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Someone just suggested to me that "surely Pulis is likely if Pardew goes?" As much as I hate Pardew, my immediate reaction was "ugh". Imagine Pulis stands up for himself a bit too much for Ashley though. Pulis short term would do wonders in organising us until we can rebuild the squad properly. Wouldnt want him beyond that though nor would he last that dealing with Ashley given the way things went with Parish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Tuchel was absolutely fantastic for Mainz last season but isn't there some sort of issue with his contract? He was supposed to be joining Stuggart but I haven't been following the Bundesliga too closely to see what happened there. I'm s*** scared we'll end up with Moyes after reading Rio's article about him this morning. He sounds exactly like the type of manager we have now. According to Rio they always worked on stopping the opposition and negative tactics which rubbed off on the players. His training restricted what they could do any they had no confidence to express themselves going forward. It sounds frighteningly familiar to what has happened to us. I do remember reading something about his contract when he left Mainz, but I am not sure what the deal is there. He sounds like just the kind of manager we should be looking at though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Zola would come here, IMO, and I'd snap every limb off to get him. Based on what? Done nothing at all as manager of West Ham and couldnt get Watfords team up despite being given the best players in the league Based on the fact he's not Alan Pardew and he actually gets his teams to attack. Doesn't mean I actually think he's any good, he'd simply have a refreshing philosophy considering what we've generally been served up over the last 4 years. You would snap every limb off for someone you dont think is very good? Strange logic I'd snap every limb off to not witness an Alan Pardew borefest ever again. I'm at the point where I just want us to attack and be somewhat exciting. To play some actual football. No you said for Zola, not to be rid of Pardew. Big difference and i dont remember Watford being that exciting either I'm confused as to how you think my wanting of Zola and dislike of Pardew are mutually exclusive? Watford played some very decent stuff during his tenure. I'll rephrase: the dross that has been on show for the last 4 years has led me to a place of desperation where I'd happily have a manager I don't even rate that much to be put in charge of the team simply because he sets teams up to win games by as many goals as possible. Your original post was solely about Zola. There was no mention of Pardew and the idea you would snap off every limb to get another poor manager is bizarre. I would reserve that for unrealistic mangers but not one i admit to not rating. It doesnt have to be mutually excusive to be stupid tbh It's a bizarre situation. There are probably hundreds of suggestions on this forum for potential managers that aren't much good, but the standards have frankly been levelled and there's not much in the way of hope, so anything better will suffice. In this case, 'better' means someone who'll come in and at least try and do something entertaining, forget winning stuff. I'm really not sure what you're trying to achieve by focusing rigidly on me not specifically mentioning Pardew in my post as if nothing can be ever be implied. This is a 'Who would you go for?' thread which directly relates to Pardew's sacking, it's inevitably going to overlap. If we were a club that was run well then I certainly wouldn't be wanting to snap anything off for Zola, but we aren't and I don't envisage us getting anyone in that's decent. All that's left is someone who won't play monumentally restrictive stuff, doesn't mind having players bought for him and isn't a total knobhead. There's a list of 100 managers that I'd have, but the vast majority won't come here while Ashley and his structure are around. I'll avoid any facetiousness in my posts, in future, just for you I dont care about your views on Pardew man, its always implied here. Your post was very much bigging up a poor manager as though he would be great for us. That was my sole issue. The only bizarre fact is you cant work out why i questioned it I understand why you'd question the initial post but I have no idea why you can't seem to grasp that the suggestion was more to do with the context of the current situation/plight than actually rating someone. Zola is a realistic option considering our incredibly restrictive structure, in my opinion, and would be a better fit for this club than Pardew. As a result, I'd have him here. It's no more complex than that. Why are you dragging out this as though its a huge thing ffs, you made a ludicrous comment and i said so. There was nowt more in it regardless of you trying to make it so. Cutting off every limb man, thats for shagging Michelle Keegan not some shit manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I would never have thought Ashley would have spent the last 4 years since promotion buying players from France and Holland before we started doing it. It used to be a running forum joke that'd we'd only sign the quintessential British-based plodders because our contacts were so poor ("LOL we'll probably sign Carlton Cole" etc). It's not totally beyond the realms of possibility that if he realises a decent coach will mean inflating values of the imported players then we could actually think outside of the box for a manager like we did for players (not that it was particularly groundbreaking stuff, but neither would be appointing a good coach). I'm not sure Ashley would want to work with a foreign manager. Have any of the executive staff he's hired at the club not been English? It may have been a big possibility when there was more of a plan at the club (with some long-term strategy). That seems to have gone out the window, now, with our incredibly erratic transfer activity and with the news he seemingly wants to sell up soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Keeping us in the league means finishing above 3 of WBA, QPR, West Ham, Palace and Burnley. If we can't find someone who can get the current squad above 3 of those 5 whilst implementing a long term progression plan then we may as well give up now. (although we do seem to have such a cretin in charge now) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Great posts from Sewelly. Absolutely nailing everything I've been ranting and raving about at work this morning. Arguing with people from work about football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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