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Tuchel reportedly ready to take over a club now if circumstances are right. Interested in the HSV job for a long time, but nothing done yet.

 

:frantic:

 

Honigstein told me (yes I am boasting) when I asked him if Tuchel would be interested in NUFC that he is fluent in English.

 

f***ing hell. He needs to be the one

 

What's the story with this guy then? Can't say I've ever heard of him.

 

Posted these earlier - worth a read:

 

http://bundesligafanatic.com/tuchel-mainz-retrospective/

 

http://sport.bt.com/sportfootball/football/europeanfootball/bundesliga/the-main-man-at-mainz-S11363876017120

 

Not mentioned in the articles, but I am sure I read somewhere that he often used to train the team on a rhomboid shaped pitch to stop his full backs hitting the ball long down the line.

 

Fuck me I don't want anyone else after reading those.  :drool:

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I've been dreaming about Tuchel Being NUFC manager for a while, he's a great coach. Unfortunately Mainz won't release him from his contract until it expires in June next year. I think he has an agreement with Schalke, which is why they've decided to throw away a year with the mediocre Jens Keller. Tuchel is worth wasting a year for imo.

Amongst the other candidates I'd push the boat out for Moyes.

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Surely the idea that no one good would work for Ashley is a bit overplayed, no matter what everyone thinks of him.  Most Premier League Chairman have a reputation for being a bit crazy in some way, or are deeply unpopular.  It hasn't stopped the rest of the clubs in the league appointing a competent manager for the most part.  There just aren't that many good jobs available.  My main worry is about who Ashley will randomly pick from obscurity, so he can pay them peanuts.  If he wanted to I'm sure he could attract Moyes or someone like that.  It's not like we're a club with a fast sacking reputation anymore.  If Pardew can survive four years, you'd have to back yourself as a good manager to get some time.  I just think it'll be Ashley's decision making process that would land us with a poor manager rather than the club's attractiveness.

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Surely the idea that no one good would work for Ashley is a bit overplayed, no matter what everyone thinks of him.  Most Premier League Chairman have a reputation for being a bit crazy in some way, or are deeply unpopular.  It hasn't stopped the rest of the clubs in the league appointing a competent manager for the most part.  There just aren't that many good jobs available.  My main worry is about who Ashley will randomly pick from obscurity, so he can pay them peanuts.  If he wanted to I'm sure he could attract Moyes or someone like that.  It's not like we're a club with a fast sacking reputation anymore.  If Pardew can survive four years, you'd have to back yourself as a good manager to get some time.  I just think it'll be Ashley's decision making process that would land us with a poor manager rather than the club's attractiveness.

 

I don't think the sticking point for a lot of British managers like Moyes would be wages or working within a budget, but I think they'll want to be able to sign their own players. Pardew's list (which was shite) got completely ignored by the board and they can do that with him because he's just a yes man.

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I don't think the sticking point for a lot of British managers like Moyes would be wages or working within a budget, but I think they'll want to be able to sign their own players. Pardew's list (which was s****) got completely ignored by the board and they can do that with him because he's just a yes man.

 

That could be down to Ashley having no faith in Pardew, but it does seem like he wants it to be cheap and chearful, so it might be a sticking point in both transfers and wages.  I think the club could attract someone with the right decision making though and it isn't Ashley's reputation that is the sticking point, but his decision making of offering low wages and restricted conditions.  It's literally insane that with this kind of policy we haven't gone with a foreign coach.  They're all used to this exact setup and yet we're trying to shoehorn old fashioned British managers into it.

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I'd absoulutely settle for Moyes and a club of our pedigree should suit him very well. He'd get the results in guaranteed. However I can't overcome my envy of Everton, Southampton, Tottenham, Swansea and Liverpool employing young managers with continental and attacking approaches. I want to gamble on a manager with an attacking philosophy and I honestly don't think that's a lot to ask for. Aforementioned Tuchel would be perfect and a club like ours could be a good start for him outside of Germany. Laudrup I would also like very much and I've heard good things about Eddie Howe. I think realistically they would all relish the opportunity here even though they had to endure working under Ashley. We're not short of options and at least I'm still positive. I suppose it's fools hope nonetheless as we're going to end up with Tim Sherwood.

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Surely the idea that no one good would work for Ashley is a bit overplayed, no matter what everyone thinks of him.  Most Premier League Chairman have a reputation for being a bit crazy in some way, or are deeply unpopular.  It hasn't stopped the rest of the clubs in the league appointing a competent manager for the most part.  There just aren't that many good jobs available.  My main worry is about who Ashley will randomly pick from obscurity, so he can pay them peanuts.  If he wanted to I'm sure he could attract Moyes or someone like that.  It's not like we're a club with a fast sacking reputation anymore.  If Pardew can survive four years, you'd have to back yourself as a good manager to get some time.  I just think it'll be Ashley's decision making process that would land us with a poor manager rather than the club's attractiveness.

low wages, 0 say on incomings or outgoings and operate on a sell to buy basis anyway, owner despised by fans and your the only person at the club who will ever speak to anybody so your the fool stuck defending whatever stupidity the clubs thrown your way this week and generally acting as a human shield for ashley and an active club policy not to try in the cups. Thats not exactly attractive for many managers.

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low wages, 0 say on incomings or outgoings and operate on a sell to buy basis anyway, owner despised by fans and your the only person at the club who will ever speak to anybody so your the fool stuck defending whatever stupidity the clubs thrown your way this week and generally acting as a human shield for ashley and an active club policy not to try in the cups. Thats not exactly attractive for many managers.

 

The low wages part could be a sticking point if that is set in stone.  We have however managed to offer plenty of players wages that will make them come here.  Are we paying low wages because that's all we pay, or because it's Alan Pardew we're paying.  It could be that Ashley would be willing to offer someone better a higher wage.  I don't think up and coming European coaches would be on massive wages either.  Also the targets aren't huge.  If you believe the papers Pardew is on 500k a year, which is peanuts.  However he also got a 1m bonus for finishing top half.  That takes his pay onto low but not ridiculously low levels.  With a shorter term contract there may be a higher but not huge wage offer available.  Perhaps that is ridiculously optimistic of me, I'm not sure.  Wages could certainly be a problem though, especially if looking to go for someone like Moyes.  Ridiculous considering the manager is by far the most important person at the club in terms of performance.

 

The human shield thing isn't really working out.  If we have that as a requirement we'll get no one.  I don't know if that is Ashley though, or just Pardew being crap and looking for ways to kiss up to Ashley and save his job.  It seems to be a unique talent that Pardew has developed.  I don't know if Ashley might accept a bit more resistance from someone more respected in the game, especially if they were continuing to do a good job.

 

My thought wass simply that the chairman being despised is not unique and that we're a big enough club with potential to still be an attractive proposition.  Not having control of transfers is nothing unique.  It is common all over Europe and most of the premier league now.  Southampton's board and chairman were hardly popular after the summer and even before that.  They have had Pochettino and  Koeman.  Hull City fans hate their owner for wanting to change the name and the history of the club.  Still they have better than Pardew.  I just don't know how many jobs outside the premier league, top of La Liga and top of Bundesliga that are going to be paying big time money.  There are some managers out of work, wanting to work and yet there are not many vacancies.  So if Ashley penny pinches then yes we'll definitely end up with a very low quality manager.  If he loosens them even a little more than he has for Pardew, we have a slim chance of getting someone better.

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The caveat is that you get to manager a massive club in the PL, with a huge fanbase, a good squad, you won't be sacked for being 10th, and if it all goes to s*** nobody blames you, they blame Ashley

 

If Pardew gets the reported 500k a year standard, he's very top of the Championship in wages level.  How many of them get a 1m bonus for 10th though?  So if what's being reported is true, then an up and coming manager is surely an option.  That would surely be true the more we looked into the up and coming Spanish, German and Dutch coaches.  If we do that or not is another thing.  Moyes wages were relatively astronomical at Man Utd.  So we'd probably need a drastic chance of approach to attract someone like him, or anyone of equal standing.  That said we're paying a Central defender something like ten times as much as the manager, which is just ludicrous.  This club defies logic most of the time.

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The caveat is that you get to manager a massive club in the PL, with a huge fanbase, a good squad, you won't be sacked for being 10th, and if it all goes to shit nobody blames you, they blame Ashley

not so sure its a good squad, I just look at that spine of the side and it is bloody awful. Central defense is a disaster area, none of the central midfielders have a creative bone in their body and the strikers don't look up to much. Theres elements of a good squad but missing key components (not to mention 0 depth in the slightest so each injury hurts a lot more than it should if the club had common sense)

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