Florian Thauvin

[TRon]

Says a lot about his character if he just wants to give up after a few months. Hasn't been given enough of a chance but not convinced he'd do any better if he was. Cabella, who I didn't like was a better player easily on evidence so far. Was ridiculous to let Cabella go in hindsight, his main problem last year was getting knocked off the ball easily which players generally adapt to after their first season

 

At least Cabella tried to protect the ball and won us a few free kicks, Thauvin just hands it over at the slightest hint of a challenge.

[mrmojorisin75]

 

 

Says a lot about his character if he just wants to give up after a few months. Hasn't been given enough of a chance but not convinced he'd do any better if he was. Cabella, who I didn't like was a better player easily on evidence so far. Was ridiculous to let Cabella go in hindsight, his main problem last year was getting knocked off the ball easily which players generally adapt to after their first season

Any player who values their career would do the same. We clearly haven't even tried to sort him out, it seems like McClaren saw him throw a hissy fit and has took full advantage of it to alienate him completely in an effort to get a new winger.

 

This is how I feel like. Did Cuadrado (sp?) have a bad character when Chelsea shat him out of the club after a few months.  Iirc everyone laughed their arses off at the club not the player.

[triggs]

 

 

Says a lot about his character if he just wants to give up after a few months. Hasn't been given enough of a chance but not convinced he'd do any better if he was. Cabella, who I didn't like was a better player easily on evidence so far. Was ridiculous to let Cabella go in hindsight, his main problem last year was getting knocked off the ball easily which players generally adapt to after their first season

Any player who values their career would do the same. We clearly haven't even tried to sort him out, it seems like McClaren saw him throw a hissy fit and has took full advantage of it to alienate him completely in an effort to get a new winger.

 

This is how I feel like. Did Cuadrado (sp?) have a bad character when Chelsea shat him out of the club after a few months.  Iirc everyone laughed their arses off at the club not the player.

Don't know much about Cuadrado's character but he moved to Juventus, one of the best teams in Europe, not straight back to his comfort zone at the team he was at

[mozy]

Thauvin was clearly not ready for this move, physically, technically and mentally. Best for all parties he gets back to France for the next 6 months.

[toontownman]

Aye. Happy for him to go for now and get games. Can't see him coming back but hopefully he does.

[STM]

Seems a soft arse. I think McClaren made his mind up in the first week.

[NEEJ]

What a waste of time, man. It's turned out to be an absolutely pointless transfer which shows just how inadequate our recruitment policy has been over the last few years.

[mrmojorisin75]

 

 

Says a lot about his character if he just wants to give up after a few months. Hasn't been given enough of a chance but not convinced he'd do any better if he was. Cabella, who I didn't like was a better player easily on evidence so far. Was ridiculous to let Cabella go in hindsight, his main problem last year was getting knocked off the ball easily which players generally adapt to after their first season

Any player who values their career would do the same. We clearly haven't even tried to sort him out, it seems like McClaren saw him throw a hissy fit and has took full advantage of it to alienate him completely in an effort to get a new winger.

 

This is how I feel like. Did Cuadrado (sp?) have a bad character when Chelsea shat him out of the club after a few months.  Iirc everyone laughed their arses off at the club not the player.

Don't know much about Cuadrado's character but he moved to Juventus, one of the best teams in Europe, not straight back to his comfort zone at the team he was at

The point is Cuadrado was sent out of Chelsea following a big transfer without being given a proper chance on the pitch. Most people rightly laughed at the club and Mourinho saying it was utterly ludicrous, but most people here are intent on putting all of the blame on the player while conveniently overlooking how badly the club have handled the lad.

 

It's a two sided thing for sure but just because a mentally fragile young lad asks to leave after hardly being played and then given abuse at a match the club don't have to say "aye go on, fuck off then son" and spend £12m on a replacement.

 

EDIT: I also can't help but think back to HBA either, another shit English manager not able to handle a mercurial flair player.  It's no accident these rumours about Thauvian's "character" come out, just as it wasn't that HBA was hated by all the players and staff etc.

 

Again, like Cuadrado, no two situations are exactly comparable and HBA showed a lot more, quality, strength and character on the pitch than Thauvin has to date but I'm not convinced the club should just accept the situation and throw him to the wolves like they're doing.

[Lush Vlad]

Sorry to go all ITK, but I did actually hear from a couple of people that HBA wasn't that well liked in the dressing room.  Not that I gave a fuck or that it changed my opinion of him.  Every team I have ever played for, there has usually been at least one diva/arrognat fucker/all round bellend etc.  If they're good enough, then who cares?  You're not going to get a squad full of model pros and nice guys. 

 

Unlike the HBA situation, I'd hardly call Thauvin a flair player.  In his limited time, he looked slow and weak and didn't really do a lot.  Whereas HBA had proven time and again, that he could be our match winner and make things happen.  The only similarities I see are that they're French, can play out wide and both have played for Marseille.  I don't think the situations are comparable.

 

I don't like how Thauvin was used as a scape goat by our fans.  He shouldn't be shouldering much of the blame, when there have been players playing week in, week out, who have been utter tripe.  Who are seemingly getting a free pass with a lot of our 'fans'.  But I also don't like how he's cried off at the first sign of trouble and I don't buy that it's all the clubs doing.  I fail to see why they'd sanction a £12m deal on someone, then 6 months later, fabricate a load of stories, just so they can ship him out on loan and then probably lose a shit load of money on him?  Makes no sense whatsoever.

[mrmojorisin75]

Sorry to go all ITK, but I did actually hear from a couple of people that HBA wasn't that well liked in the dressing room.  Not that I gave a fuck or that it changed my opinion of him.  Every team I have ever played for, there has usually been at least one diva/arrognat fucker/all round bellend etc.  If they're good enough, then who cares?  You're not going to get a squad full of model pros and nice guys. 

 

Unlike the HBA situation, I'd hardly call Thauvin a flair player.  In his limited time, he looked slow and weak and didn't really do a lot.  Whereas HBA had proven time and again, that he could be our match winner and make things happen.  The only similarities I see are that they're French, can play out wide and both have played for Marseille.  I don't think the situations are comparable.

 

I don't like how Thauvin was used as a scape goat by our fans.  He shouldn't be shouldering much of the blame, when there have been players playing week in, week out, who have been utter tripe.  Who are seemingly getting a free pass with a lot of our 'fans'.  But I also don't like how he's cried off at the first sign of trouble and I don't buy that it's all the clubs doing.  I fail to see why they'd sanction a £12m deal on someone, then 6 months later, fabricate a load of stories, just so they can ship him out on loan and then probably lose a shit load of money on him?  Makes no sense whatsoever.

 

see i'm not saying it is "all the clubs doing" but as hans said this narrative allows them to get rid of the player with it looking like it's his fault entirely rather than anything to do with the club, and then to back mcclaren with the likes of townsend to replace him which fits the "we need more english players with PL experience and quality" narrative (which townsend barely qualifies for tbh

 

the player shouldn't be running at the first sign of trouble but perhaps he doesn't feel he's been given any sort of backing or support from the manager....i'd argue he'd be correct if that were the case

[St1pe]

This could be blind stupidity on my part but even if he does leave on loan I don't think it'll be the end of his career here even if he does go out on loan, assuming we're still in the Premier League next year which isn't looking likely. He's obviously lacking confidence and needs game time to get that back but given our dire situation we aren't in a position to do that. After this summer Sissoko will almost certainly be leaving and Thauvin could get a regular starting role in his natural position.

 

Unless ofcourse he just really hasn't settled here and is unhappy. It'll be such a waste on what was a promising start.

 

This whole saga has been rather embarrassing for the club though, I can't see how it would negatively effect any future attempts to sign any young players in France. We've made ourselves look like right mugs.

[Lush Vlad]

I think blame should be apportioned to both sides.  Not sure if it would be an equal share, but both sides have fucked up big time.  The club were stupid enough to pursue a player, who wasn't in any sort of form, looked unsuited to English football and allegedly wasn't even keen on coming here.  Certainly looks to be the case, TBH. 

 

McClaren has then barely played the bloke.  After it has become apparent that we have slightly better options in front of him and after he's not really shown a great deal when he's actually had the chance. 

 

He then gets some stick off the fans at Watford.  There's supposedly a bit of a fallout, Thauvin goes crying back to OM, asking them to take him back.  It doesn't sound like there were any discussions to reconcile their differences, or much of a fight to keep him.  Thauvin is just as guilty of deciding he's had enough so early on in his career here.  We then go and spend ANOTHER £12m on Townsend.  Thauvin fucks off home.

 

What. A. Mess 

[mrmojorisin75]

I think blame should be apportioned to both sides.  Not sure if it would be an equal share, but both sides have fucked up big time.  The club were stupid enough to pursue a player, who wasn't in any sort of form, looked unsuited to English football and allegedly wasn't even keen on coming here.  Certainly looks to be the case, TBH. 

 

McClaren has then barely played the bloke.  After it has become apparent that we have slightly better options in front of him and after he's not really shown a great deal when he's actually had the chance. 

 

He then gets some stick off the fans at Watford.  There's supposedly a bit of a fallout, Thauvin goes crying back to OM, asking them to take him back.  It doesn't sound like there were any discussions to reconcile their differences, or much of a fight to keep him.  Thauvin is just as guilty of deciding he's had enough so early on in his career here.  We then go and spend ANOTHER £12m on Townsend.  Thauvin fucks off home.

 

What. A. Mess 

Basically aye.

[loki679]

I do wonder what would have happened if we'd made him a starter and showed a bit of faith in him like.

[George Bailey]

Good luck to the lad. I'm sure he will be happier and perform better back in France.

 

I'm one of the minority (looking at the poll on here) who have never rated him, nor thought he had shown anything at all to justify his place in the team or indeed at the club.

Think Vlads post sums it up nicely, a very poor transfer and tawdry episode from virtually every parties perspective.

[Leazes_End_Mag]

Pretty sure that NUFC have agreed to loan Thauvin but have denied the right to buy option as part of the deal which means he'll more then likely be back here in 6 month.

[George Bailey]

Pretty sure that NUFC have agreed to loan Thauvin but have denied the right to buy option as part of the deal which means he'll more then likely be back here in 6 month.

[Teasy]

Not agreeing to a fee now is totally the right thing to do and I'm glad we've gone that way if true, he's on a long term contract here so we should be in no hurry to get rid of him.  Even if he doesn't end up back here playing first team Football will give us a much better chance of getting a good fee for him so no point in agreeing some shitty little fee now.

[mrmojorisin75]

I do wonder what would have happened if we'd made him a starter and showed a bit of faith in him like.

Team was fucking awful during that period like, that's the problem as it was with Cabella when he got his "chance".

 

Now is the time to be playing him now we have a midfield and Wijnaldum has a position, but we're binning him for Townsend. Frustrating.

[Minhosa]

Pretty sure that NUFC have agreed to loan Thauvin but have denied the right to buy option as part of the deal which means he'll more then likely be back here in 6 month.

 

I'm sure he'll be delighted to be leaving the south of france in July to come back to Newcastle where he's been as welcome as a dose of the clap.

[loki679]

Pretty sure that NUFC have agreed to loan Thauvin but have denied the right to buy option as part of the deal which means he'll more then likely be back here in 6 month.

 

I'm sure he'll be delighted to be leaving the south of france in July to come back to Newcastle where he's been as welcome as a dose of the clap.

 

I think the official term is 'as welcome as a fart in an astronaut suit'

[TRon]

He's not coming back like, if he's no use to us now I don't see what will have changed in 6 months time. If he does come back it will only be to pick up his wages like Marveaux.

[Minhosa]

He's not coming back like, if he's no use to us now I don't see what will have changed in 6 months time. If he does come back it will only be to pick up his wages like Marveaux.

 

Be interesting to see what happens if he goes back and tears it up.

[jimmymag]

He's not coming back like, if he's no use to us now I don't see what will have changed in 6 months time. If he does come back it will only be to pick up his wages like Marveaux.

 

Be interesting to see what happens if he goes back and tears it up.

Amazing more than interesting because he hadn't been "tearing it up" directly before we bought him.

[Wallace]

Wasn't he getting a lot of stick of Marseilles fans as well before he left?  I can't see the abuse at Watford being the reason for him leaving only that it is being used as an excuse.