Golfmag Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 I have been a Pardew supporter all the way through (and still want to be), partly through personal connections, partly because the vitriol on this Board is often way OTT and partly because a Stoke supporting friend of mine warned me that the Europa League commitments would take a heavy toll, just as they did on Stoke. I also think that looking back on last season, our style of football was very similar to this and we often somehow usually got on the right side of every 2 1 scoreline. Watching the first half against Villa away and the whole game against Spurs away (which we were massively unlucky to lose), I also thought that the hoofball criticism was wrong too - bring in proper players and it looked like (including Krul) that we were starting to play carpet football. But today, even allowing for the pressure, was awful. I remain depressed by the first 15 minutes, when we looked completely clueless, humped the ball forward aimlessly and just seemed to be waiting for QPR to score. The kick-off was just incredible - Colo had no pressure on him, options right and left and yet chose to hump it forward to absolutely no-one. 5 seconds later, QPR almost scored. Looking back to the Villa and Spurs games, and even parts of the match against West Ham last week, we look capable of playing slick, attacking, carpet football. But yes, I am now starting to believe that our mentality is safety first, defensive stuff that simply invites pressure back onto us, again and again and again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 In Fergies leaving speech he warned the players not to let themselves down, our fearless leader will be happy to end the season on four nil loss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 I have been a Pardew supporter all the way through (and still want to be), partly through personal connections, partly because the vitriol on this Board is often way OTT and partly because a Stoke supporting friend of mine warned me that the Europa League commitments would take a heavy toll, just as they did on Stoke. I also think that looking back on last season, our style of football was very similar to this and we often somehow usually got on the right side of every 2 1 scoreline. Watching the first half against Villa away and the whole game against Spurs away (which we were massively unlucky to lose), I also thought that the hoofball criticism was wrong too - bring in proper players and it looked like (including Krul) that we were starting to play carpet football. But today, even allowing for the pressure, was awful. I remain depressed by the first 15 minutes, when we looked completely clueless, humped the ball forward aimlessly and just seemed to be waiting for QPR to score. The kick-off was just incredible - Colo had no pressure on him, options right and left and yet chose to hump it forward to absolutely no-one. 5 seconds later, QPR almost scored. Looking back to the Villa and Spurs games, and even parts of the match against West Ham last week, we look capable of playing slick, attacking, carpet football. But yes, I am now starting to believe that our mentality is safety first, defensive stuff that simply invites pressure back onto us, again and again and again. Quite strange that you would change your mind about him based on today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 In terms of league position, the Europa League had no effect on Stoke at all. In fact it rarely does to any team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Freaking Morons Dumber than cows roaming all over the streets today........... Pardew is a loser so goes to those who defend him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 In terms of league position, the Europa League had no effect on Stoke at all. In fact it rarely does to any team. Exactly. Stoke's form every season has crashed towards the end of it, Europe or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 If you're a player and you hear those comments, you'd want to leave immediately. I hope media outlets pick up on those comments because the world needs to know about this piece of scum. Exactly - although he has sucked the life out of all of them none of them will care...the best ones will be off. Come little creative, skillful geflings and watch my tactics video.. http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/dark/dcm/947.jpg Sissoko after the Southampton game As for the media, you would hope so but he is still a cockney lovee, they smell the blood but they won't stick the knife in. Besides him staying here means more instability for us, its win win for the media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Freaking Morons Dumber than cows roaming all over the streets today........... Pardew is a loser so goes to those who defend him. Say what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Needs to go asap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Ignoring the 4-0 thing completely, how can that NOT be his genuine opinion about the Europa League when he's been blaming it for our shite form and injuries all season? I think he probably is genuinely pleased about not having to deal with the Europa League again. Quite a few managers probably share this opinion, but most are sensible enough not to say anything in public. Many pundits say that it is an unnecessary burden. I don't think it means he will actively try not to qualify in future though, that would be ridiculous. Name those managers then. I've got: Alan Pardew Harry Redknapp Not sure I can name them specifically, as I said they wouldn't say it in public . A few managers of a club who doesn't have a big enough squad to guarantee success in both competitions probably. Jol? Pulis? Then that's just an opinion from just yourself. Not from those managers. I know, as I said I don't have quotes to hand. But I don't think it's unfair to say that managers like that would consider the Europa League an unwanted burden on their squads. So explain Stoke's form this season without the EL then? Jol hasn't been in Europe with Fulham. You're making things up. I don't know what you're asking? You've reversed the logic - I'm not saying any club that has a bad season can blame Europe. I'm not even saying Europe is the main reason for our bad season. I'm saying that many managers of mid table clubs probably consider it a burden on their squads, and pundits seem to agree. Not really sure why this is a hard thing to accept, it's common knowledge. Obviously must managers wouldn't make such a direct statement about it, but I'm factoring in his relief at staying up. If any of that is the case then that encapsulates everything that is wrong with football. I guess we should appreciate Pardew for his honesty He's an idiot for voicing it and this is without considering how terrible is at his job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 I want Pardew gone but the way people read into everything he says is really pathetic. We know the guys not up to it, there's no need to nail him to a cross IMO. Aye, it's our fault. Are you braindead? Pardew is to blame for our season, fullstop. Has nothing to do with what I said. You're saying we're reading too much into it He actually said those words, we didn't. He's been talking shit all season but only since Sunderland has it become an issue. He's a shit manager, that's the important thing, not the shite he spouts. Most managers do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Playing the Crystal Maze theme tune in my head now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 I want Pardew gone but the way people read into everything he says is really pathetic. We know the guys not up to it, there's no need to nail him to a cross IMO. Aye, it's our fault. Are you braindead? Pardew is to blame for our season, fullstop. Has nothing to do with what I said. You're saying we're reading too much into it He actually said those words, we didn't. He's been talking shit all season but only since Sunderland has it become an issue. He's a shit manager, that's the important thing, not the shite he spouts. Most managers do that. Exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJCmVU4AkVY Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Playing the Crystal Maze theme tune in my head now. We've been playing it all season. Instead of grabbing at gold/silver foil we've been grabbing at points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Ignoring the 4-0 thing completely, how can that NOT be his genuine opinion about the Europa League when he's been blaming it for our shite form and injuries all season? I think he probably is genuinely pleased about not having to deal with the Europa League again. Quite a few managers probably share this opinion, but most are sensible enough not to say anything in public. Many pundits say that it is an unnecessary burden. I don't think it means he will actively try not to qualify in future though, that would be ridiculous. Name those managers then. I've got: Alan Pardew Harry Redknapp Not sure I can name them specifically, as I said they wouldn't say it in public . A few managers of a club who doesn't have a big enough squad to guarantee success in both competitions probably. Jol? Pulis? Then that's just an opinion from just yourself. Not from those managers. I know, as I said I don't have quotes to hand. But I don't think it's unfair to say that managers like that would consider the Europa League an unwanted burden on their squads. So explain Stoke's form this season without the EL then? Jol hasn't been in Europe with Fulham. You're making things up. I don't know what you're asking? You've reversed the logic - I'm not saying any club that has a bad season can blame Europe. I'm not even saying Europe is the main reason for our bad season. I'm saying that many managers of mid table clubs probably consider it a burden on their squads, and pundits seem to agree. Not really sure why this is a hard thing to accept, it's common knowledge. Obviously must managers wouldn't make such a direct statement about it, but I'm factoring in his relief at staying up. If any of that is the case then that encapsulates everything that is wrong with football. I guess we should appreciate Pardew for his honesty He's an idiot for voicing it and this is without considering how terrible is at his job. It does point to what is wrong with football for sure. It should be possible for many more teams to compete for the league for example, but it isn't because of money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 When did Jotenko replace Pardew in the banner? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Where's the link for these comments? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 I agree with Ian W's analysis of the situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 What he spouts has not become an issue since the derby, that is completely and utterly wrong. His comments have been raised as alarming on here for months and months. Fwiw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Where's the link for these comments? Is there a video or recording rather than just text? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 I agree with Ian W's analysis of the situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 A simple banner with his best excuses followed by 'No more excuses. Bye bye Pardew' would be excellent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 I want Pardew gone but the way people read into everything he says is really pathetic. We know the guys not up to it, there's no need to nail him to a cross IMO. Aye, it's our fault. Are you braindead? Pardew is to blame for our season, fullstop. Has nothing to do with what I said. You're saying we're reading too much into it He actually said those words, we didn't. He's been talking shit all season but only since Sunderland has it become an issue. He's a shit manager, that's the important thing, not the shite he spouts. Most managers do that. That's just a lie. I'm not quite sure why you just lied there. Why did you lie? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 I want Pardew gone but the way people read into everything he says is really pathetic. We know the guys not up to it, there's no need to nail him to a cross IMO. Aye, it's our fault. Are you braindead? Pardew is to blame for our season, fullstop. Has nothing to do with what I said. You're saying we're reading too much into it He actually said those words, we didn't. He's been talking shit all season but only since Sunderland has it become an issue. He's a shit manager, that's the important thing, not the shite he spouts. Most managers do that. It's an issue but it isn't. If you think it's only since Sunderland then you can't possibly have been paying attention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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