Alan Pardew

[Guest bimpy474]

I don't get this counter argument that some long balls are passes and others aren't.  What does it matter?  How does that counter the fact that on average, we've hit 20 less long balls per game in the last 3 months than in the first 3 months.

 

An improvement, for those that don't like long balls/passes.

 

That's obvious isn't it ?. One is accurate and the other is hopeful and at times aimless. See if you think that's irrelevent, why. It's extremely relevent when you factor in keeping possession, and building up play.

[NG32]

286 pages now of the majority saying Pardew isn't good enough, a few acknowledging that he isn't good enough and wont be sacked, and a couple of older posters acknowledging he isn't good enough but maybe needs to be cut some slack and given the benefit of the doubt.

 

Now splitting hairs about longs balls etc.

 

 

[Guest bimpy474]

286 pages now of the majority saying Pardew isn't good enough, a few acknowledging that he isn't good enough and wont be sacked, and a couple of older posters acknowledging he isn't good enough but maybe needs to be cut some slack and given the benefit of the doubt.

 

Now splitting hairs about longs balls etc.

 

 

 

Very true.....

[Dr Venkman]

Again open to vast interpretation. A pin point 40 yard diagonal is by definition a "long ball". In the same way a long hopeful punt up to Cisse is a "long ball". This reliance on stats is ludicrous, people have watched it with their own eyes.

 

Also "improvements"  :lol: so we cut it back a bit. I should think so considering we threw five players in the mix.

 

You've basically posted what I mockingly said the response would be.  Not sure if it's serious.

 

If we've averaged less than 55 long balls per game for the last 3 months, that is one of the lowest in the league man, irrespective of whether they're pinpoint or wild hoofs.

 

Why is it irrespective? its completely relevant. You can use stats to prove a numeric value, but the interpretation is always key. There is obviously a massive difference. I'm staggered you think its the same thing. The condescension is great considering your point is invalid 

 

Its the same with any stat. A player could have 100% passing success. Each pass being 2 yards square.

 

See the post from Chez to Wullie about shots on goal.  He explained it far better than I could.

 

 

House!

[Dr Venkman]

Oh a stats based Pardew defence. Makes me glad to be miles from civilization.

 

It's not a stats based argument.

 

I never brought a stat into it.  I said 3 times that Pardew is relying less on long balls...you can see that if you watch our games and have watched them all season.  But saying this obviously means nothing to people with preconceived notions and I was told he is as bad as ever.  So I had to go to defcon 3.

 

The same Pardew who manages players that forget his instructions as soon as the game starts?

 

You're off your tits.

[Mick]

 

 

The same Pardew who manages players that forget his instructions as soon as the game starts?

 

You're off your tits.

 

You'll now get a graph to prove that he isn't and he'll produce a link to a dodgy website that backs him up, just wait and see. 

[tgarve]

If pardew finished 6th next season, who would cut him some slack?

[Smal]

He isn't going to finish 6th next season.

[Dr Venkman]

Or more than likely be ignored, just as I was when I pulled him up on his 'Shola's our best option from the bench' rubbish.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Its not just about long ball though is it.... we are unorganised and lack any sort of cohesion not to mention when a player is in possession there is zero movement.

 

Not to mention we sit insanely deep meaning when we do get the ball its very hard to translate defence to attack quickly, our transition play is god awful.

 

Its all shit, not just long balls. If Pardew fixes all these problems then fair f*cking play but his past says he wont.

 

[NG32]

Were Liverpool right to bin Kenny Dalgleish, he had a great half a season and then had players bought for him who he had to work with.

[Dave]

If pardew finished 6th next season, who would cut him some slack?

 

I would. If we won the league, I'd cut him even more.

[NG32]

If pardew finished 6th next season, who would cut him some slack?

 

Depends how we played, i dont think i can watch another 1-0 v Norwich again, or a last gasp winner against the BOTTOM side of the league or throwing away 3 points against ANOTHER gash team who everyone else in the league dished them a thrashing

[Dr Venkman]

Its not just about long ball though is it.... we are unorganised and lack any sort of cohesion not to mention when a player is in possession there is zero movement.

 

Not to mention we sit insanely deep meaning when we do get the ball its very hard to translate defence to attack quickly, our transition play is god awful.

 

Its all shit, not just long balls. If Pardew fixes all these problems then fair f*cking play but his past says he wont.

 

Of course it's not just about long ball. Just like it wasn't about using stats to prove that Pardew plays Jonas for his defensive work

 

What it is about is him trying to look clever and deflecting any good questions by going down alley ways like this. He's even had the cheek to say that the conversation on here was JUST 'Pardew's shit' until he graced us with his presence and his mates turned up to tell us how enlightening he is.

 

Many many well thought out arguments have been put on this board about Pardew over the last few years, in favour and otherwise. The last few days have just been an ego trip.

[Flip]

Its not just about long ball though is it.... we are unorganised and lack any sort of cohesion not to mention when a player is in possession there is zero movement.

 

Not to mention we sit insanely deep meaning when we do get the ball its very hard to translate defence to attack quickly, our transition play is god awful.

 

Its all s***, not just long balls. If Pardew fixes all these problems then fair f*cking play but his past says he wont.

 

 

Don't see how people can argue this and also using stats that are completely irrelevant to the fact that we are absolute wank. Can the decrease in longballs also be due to a decrease in ball possession? I'm asking because need facts for this. While you're at it HF I'd like to see if you could to a graph on why considering we haven't been shit we are sitting on 41p with one of the better squads in the league.

 

And Unbelievable, your name also suits you perfectly at the moment. You're able to not call us a hoofing team but at the same time criticize most of our players and refuse to see that our manager is one of the bigger problems for our attacking not working. You say Cisse isn't good enough to lead the line, while being absolute blind to the fact that he has to go pick the ball at the corner flag because there's no cohesion or tactic to our game and there's no support to him. Well tbf all your reliability disappeared when you suggested the Dutch league wasn't worse than the Portuguese so I'm sorry for even getting into a discussion with you now.

[Flip]

If pardew finished 6th next season, who would cut him some slack?

 

Depends how we played, i dont think i can watch another 1-0 v Norwich again, or a last gasp winner against the BOTTOM side of the league or throwing away 3 points against ANOTHER gash team who everyone else in the league dished them a thrashing

 

TBF it's a fickle game so many would accept, I would probably be more happy than this time around but I would depending on performance still question us. I hope he does a Moyes with Everton but I have the absolute rights to have my doubts about it happening.

[NG32]

If pardew finished 6th next season, who would cut him some slack?

 

Depends how we played, i dont think i can watch another 1-0 v Norwich again, or a last gasp winner against the BOTTOM side of the league or throwing away 3 points against ANOTHER gash team who everyone else in the league dished them a thrashing

 

TBF it's a fickle game so many would accept, I would probably be more happy than this time around but I would depending on performance still question us. I hope he does a Moyes with Everton but I have the absolute rights to have my doubts about it happen.

 

Exactly, I would love us to surge up the league next season. Cant see it happening

[Mole_Toonfan]

Its not just about long ball though is it.... we are unorganised and lack any sort of cohesion not to mention when a player is in possession there is zero movement.

 

Not to mention we sit insanely deep meaning when we do get the ball its very hard to translate defence to attack quickly, our transition play is god awful.

 

Its all s***, not just long balls. If Pardew fixes all these problems then fair f*cking play but his past says he wont.

 

Of course it's not just about long ball. Just like it wasn't about using stats to prove that Pardew plays Jonas for his defensive work

 

What it is about is him trying to look clever and deflecting any good questions by going down alley ways like this. He's even had the cheek to say that the conversation on here was JUST 'Pardew's s***' until he graced us with his presence and his mates turned up to tell us how enlightening he is.

 

Many many well thought out arguments have been put on this board about Pardew over the last few years, in favour and otherwise. The last few days have just been an ego trip.

 

Agreed.

[Spudil]

Or more than likely be ignored, just as I was when I pulled him up on his 'Shola's our best option from the bench' rubbish.

 

 

HF is worse then your average politician for skirting around and often even completely ignoring points that detract from and falsify his arguments.

 

[ChezGiven]

I don't get this counter argument that some long balls are passes and others aren't.  What does it matter?  How does that counter the fact that on average, we've hit 20 less long balls per game in the last 3 months than in the first 3 months.

 

An improvement, for those that don't like long balls/passes.

This is frustrating me too The quality of the long ball doesn't fucking matter!

[Parky]

I don't get this counter argument that some long balls are passes and others aren't.  What does it matter?  How does that counter the fact that on average, we've hit 20 less long balls per game in the last 3 months than in the first 3 months.

 

An improvement, for those that don't like long balls/passes.

This is frustrating me too The quality of the long ball doesn't fucking matter!

 

People are instinctively trying to break it down into 'hopeful' and 'targetted'....Broadly agree that the where raw stats are concerned the intention isn't so important. Sides like Spurs play a lot more long ball than people realise but most of those are bourne from postive posession and 'choices' at key moments of play. Ours generally are more of the 'hopeful' variety is the majority feeling.

This ties in with Pards style of play which is the maj gripe...WBA I'd say are pretty much a long ball team as are Norwich but they do enough of the other stuff so that it doesn't look so bad or desperate - style wise.

[Flip]

I don't get this counter argument that some long balls are passes and others aren't.  What does it matter?  How does that counter the fact that on average, we've hit 20 less long balls per game in the last 3 months than in the first 3 months.

 

An improvement, for those that don't like long balls/passes.

This is frustrating me too The quality of the long ball doesn't f***ing matter!

 

People are instinctively trying to break it down into 'hopeful' and 'targetted'....Broadly agree that the where raw stats are concerned the intention isn't so important. Sides like Spurs play a lot more long ball than people realise but most of those are bourne from postive posession and 'choices' at key moments of play. Ours generally are more of the 'hopeful' variety is the majority feeling.

This ties in with Pards style of play which is the maj gripe...WBA I'd say are pretty much a long ball team as are Norwich but they do enough of the other stuff so that it doesn't look so bad or desperate - style wise.

 

I think it's that long ball that you are talking about which pisses us fans off. It's the long ball to Cisse who will never ever win a header against a stronger central defender. It's not hard to see that our long balls are just like you said hopeful passing.

[Parky]

I don't get this counter argument that some long balls are passes and others aren't.  What does it matter?  How does that counter the fact that on average, we've hit 20 less long balls per game in the last 3 months than in the first 3 months.

 

An improvement, for those that don't like long balls/passes.

This is frustrating me too The quality of the long ball doesn't f***ing matter!

 

People are instinctively trying to break it down into 'hopeful' and 'targetted'....Broadly agree that the where raw stats are concerned the intention isn't so important. Sides like Spurs play a lot more long ball than people realise but most of those are bourne from postive posession and 'choices' at key moments of play. Ours generally are more of the 'hopeful' variety is the majority feeling.

This ties in with Pards style of play which is the maj gripe...WBA I'd say are pretty much a long ball team as are Norwich but they do enough of the other stuff so that it doesn't look so bad or desperate - style wise.

 

I think it's that long ball that you are talking about which pisses us fans off. It's the long ball to Cisse who will never ever win a header against a stronger central defender. It's not hard to see that our long balls are just like you said hopeful passing.

 

...and the main reason for that and something we've discussed for 2 yrs is Pards refusal to continue with a 433 (so someone can drop off and come short to recycle play).

[Flip]

I don't get this counter argument that some long balls are passes and others aren't.  What does it matter?  How does that counter the fact that on average, we've hit 20 less long balls per game in the last 3 months than in the first 3 months.

 

An improvement, for those that don't like long balls/passes.

This is frustrating me too The quality of the long ball doesn't f***ing matter!

 

People are instinctively trying to break it down into 'hopeful' and 'targetted'....Broadly agree that the where raw stats are concerned the intention isn't so important. Sides like Spurs play a lot more long ball than people realise but most of those are bourne from postive posession and 'choices' at key moments of play. Ours generally are more of the 'hopeful' variety is the majority feeling.

This ties in with Pards style of play which is the maj gripe...WBA I'd say are pretty much a long ball team as are Norwich but they do enough of the other stuff so that it doesn't look so bad or desperate - style wise.

 

I think it's that long ball that you are talking about which pisses us fans off. It's the long ball to Cisse who will never ever win a header against a stronger central defender. It's not hard to see that our long balls are just like you said hopeful passing.

 

...and the main reason for that and something we've discussed for 2 yrs is Pards refusal to continue with a 433 (so someone can drop off and come short to recycle play).

 

It's all a mess at the moment, and being pretty sure he's here come august I hope a fresh start will help him.

[Mattoon]

I don't get this counter argument that some long balls are passes and others aren't.  What does it matter?  How does that counter the fact that on average, we've hit 20 less long balls per game in the last 3 months than in the first 3 months.

 

An improvement, for those that don't like long balls/passes.

This is frustrating me too The quality of the long ball doesn't f***ing matter!

 

People are instinctively trying to break it down into 'hopeful' and 'targetted'....Broadly agree that the where raw stats are concerned the intention isn't so important. Sides like Spurs play a lot more long ball than people realise but most of those are bourne from postive posession and 'choices' at key moments of play. Ours generally are more of the 'hopeful' variety is the majority feeling.

This ties in with Pards style of play which is the maj gripe...WBA I'd say are pretty much a long ball team as are Norwich but they do enough of the other stuff so that it doesn't look so bad or desperate - style wise.

 

I think it's that long ball that you are talking about which pisses us fans off. It's the long ball to Cisse who will never ever win a header against a stronger central defender. It's not hard to see that our long balls are just like you said hopeful passing.

 

...and the main reason for that and something we've discussed for 2 yrs is Pards refusal to continue with a 433 (so someone can drop off and come short to recycle play).

 

1 in 5 of our passes are made by a central forward placed midfielder with a 36% accuracy, 1 in 5 of those are to a wide forward player and 40% result in open attacking play in the front 3rd of the pitch. Only Arsenal and Chelsea have better percentages than this, therefore you're wrong and Pardew is just misunderstood.