AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 That's nonsense, like. Their 'class' hasn't produced any massively standout performances, and they've both been lacking when it comes to dealing with the physicality of the league. There's no escaping that. Granted, they haven't had a wealth of chances, but they haven't done a great deal with what they have been afforded. I agree they lack something physically, for example why Marveaux isn't suitable for wide of a forward three. Anita also struggles under the high ball. I just think that those weaknesses aren't enough to justify the constant selection of Jonas and Tiote ahead of them. Although I would equally happy if Tiote recovered some form and made himself actually undroppable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 That's nonsense, like. Their 'class' hasn't produced any massively standout performances, and they've both been lacking when it comes to dealing with the physicality of the league. There's no escaping that. Granted, they haven't had a wealth of chances, but they haven't done a great deal with what they have been afforded. Probably because they are instructed to play in a way that doesn't suit their game. That's our whole fucking problem, most of our players are instructed to play in a way that does not suit them, or a system that does not suit them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 That's nonsense, like. Their 'class' hasn't produced any massively standout performances, and they've both been lacking when it comes to dealing with the physicality of the league. There's no escaping that. Granted, they haven't had a wealth of chances, but they haven't done a great deal with what they have been afforded. Almost the whole team didn't do a great deal last season tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Neither Anita nor Marveaux have done enough to make their inclusion an absolute necessity. I love the 'Marveaux type' player, absolutely love them, but, he doesn't go looking for the ball nearly enough. Tons of ability, great control, gets his head, fantastic range of passing (best at the club), good spurt of speed when he wants. Shown a lack the competitive edge to dominate his opponents with his ability though. He's only got the likes of Jonas to compete against for a place. He should make himself undroppable. How much more do they have to do than be clearly better footballers than Jonas and Tiote? As for making themselves undroppable, that's down to the manager...... Listen, i don't like Jonas and i don't like Tiote (much) but Anita is powder puff and Marveaux goes missing. Simple. Neither of them have put in the kind of perfomance that screams for inclusion. That's a shame because we could do with their talents but they need to show more competitve spirit. More fire. I bet you were banging this drum re: Ben Arfa as well Nope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 That's nonsense, like. Their 'class' hasn't produced any massively standout performances, and they've both been lacking when it comes to dealing with the physicality of the league. There's no escaping that. Granted, they haven't had a wealth of chances, but they haven't done a great deal with what they have been afforded. I agree they lack something physically, for example why Marveaux isn't suitable for wide of a forward three. Anita also struggles under the high ball. I just think that those weaknesses aren't enough to justify the constant selection of Jonas and Tiote ahead of them. Although I would equally happy if Tiote recovered some form and made himself actually undroppable. I don't disagree that those two shouldn't be undroppable, like. I'm just not comfortable with the assertion that Anita and Marv should be guaranteed starters ahead of them simply because of their apparent 'class'. If they'd shown enough, during their few starts and sub appearances, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 That's nonsense, like. Their 'class' hasn't produced any massively standout performances, and they've both been lacking when it comes to dealing with the physicality of the league. There's no escaping that. Granted, they haven't had a wealth of chances, but they haven't done a great deal with what they have been afforded. We might not have won the game but the 4-3 at Old Trafford and we had Marv/Bigi/Anita, they might not have had this kick them up the air attitude and bully the opposition through sheer physicality but by god did they try and give Man Utd a go for pure football ability, we passed the ball well, we created chances, we were holding our own, it was such a shame they came away with nothing for the efforts they had put in that day. Then Marv followed that with a standout performance at the Emirtates where he was threatening them every time he was on the ball Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 That's nonsense, like. Their 'class' hasn't produced any massively standout performances, and they've both been lacking when it comes to dealing with the physicality of the league. There's no escaping that. Granted, they haven't had a wealth of chances, but they haven't done a great deal with what they have been afforded. I agree they lack something physically, for example why Marveaux isn't suitable for wide of a forward three. Anita also struggles under the high ball. I just think that those weaknesses aren't enough to justify the constant selection of Jonas and Tiote ahead of them. Although I would equally happy if Tiote recovered some form and made himself actually undroppable. I don't disagree that those two shouldn't be undroppable, like. I'm just not comfortable with the assertion that Anita and Marv should be guaranteed starters ahead of them simply because of their apparent 'class'. If they'd shown enough, during their few starts and sub appearances, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. No-one should be undroppable, but they should be in the team at home to everyone bar the sovereign states (not including Southampton and Swansea). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/10609682._/? “.. but it’s still 11 v 11. You must always enter every game in the belief that you can go and win it and I’ve always done that. Even last year when we were really struggling for confidence and even personnel we had to enter the game with a game plan and a belief that you can win. “Trust me, we will be looking to do that next season too.” We believe you Alan, more of the same then. Brilliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 I find the story of him thinking about playing Elliot instead of Krul at Man City very disturbing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 I find the story of him thinking about playing Elliot instead of Krul at Man City very disturbing. If Krul isn't 100% fit what's the issue? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Over the xmas/new year period there might look like a lots L's on paper but the performances we were putting in with the team selections we were putting out was actually positive. Young players were getting game time and were showing serious signs of progression but soon as Jonas became fit, Tiote returned from international duty, they were instantly dropped when they shouldn't have been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 That's nonsense, like. Their 'class' hasn't produced any massively standout performances, and they've both been lacking when it comes to dealing with the physicality of the league. There's no escaping that. Granted, they haven't had a wealth of chances, but they haven't done a great deal with what they have been afforded. I agree they lack something physically, for example why Marveaux isn't suitable for wide of a forward three. Anita also struggles under the high ball. I just think that those weaknesses aren't enough to justify the constant selection of Jonas and Tiote ahead of them. Although I would equally happy if Tiote recovered some form and made himself actually undroppable. I don't disagree that those two shouldn't be undroppable, like. I'm just not comfortable with the assertion that Anita and Marv should be guaranteed starters ahead of them simply because of their apparent 'class'. If they'd shown enough, during their few starts and sub appearances, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. No-one should be undroppable, but they should be in the team at home to everyone bar the sovereign states (not including Southampton and Swansea). Possibly, depending on form and that, aye. I suspect we'll be seeing a bit more of Anita this season, anyway. Marv, I'm not so sure about. Might depend on injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 How fit do you have to be to be a goalkeeper? Why is Pardew always saying "trust me"? sounds like something, someone I wouldn't trust would say Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 I find the story of him thinking about playing Elliot instead of Krul at Man City very disturbing. If Krul isn't 100% fit what's the issue? He was saying Tim's fine in the one i read, it was the Elliot has kept 3 clean sheets in a row and is in good form, and could start which woried me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/newcastle-united-manager-alan-pardew-5717722 Chronicle getting brave! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Doesn't massively matter who starts tbh still, Elliot will let in 5 where Krul may let in 3. That's my prediction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 “I make all the football decisions that evolve around the game that’s being played on a Saturday. “In terms of the transfers, that’s a different story." I remember being sneered at for suggesting this was the case when he was appointed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 The story changes on a daily basis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 The story changes on a daily basis. It does indeed. Won't take long for the wheels to come off, at all - if we don't get off to a good start. If we get a horsing at Man City on Monday night, including a meek surrender - the knives will come out quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 That's an unbelievable quote from Pardew tbh I'm not so sure its all that uncommon a view among managers and owners in England, few sides have ever bothered to take it seriously, its just perceived as getting in the way since it doesn't have the financial rewards to really make it worthwhile see also cups; FA and League Go look up Laudrup's recent quotes on the Europa league. He was pushing it as giving his team an advantage for the start of the season. Just a completely different mindset i.e. a positive one! Besides even if Pardew feels that way, as the manager of the football club, he should never openly say that. It's awful. People keep saying the cup isn't taken seriously, but the players and fans don't feel this way. If Newcastle won it, it would be a huge deal. He just can't say that crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 I find the story of him thinking about playing Elliot instead of Krul at Man City very disturbing. Why risk Krul if he isn't 100% right? Elliott will do okay as long as the defence are organised and do their jobs in front of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 In no way is this a defence of Pardew but Laudrup should be saying that considering Swansea have significantly strengthened their squad compared to what we did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 I find the story of him thinking about playing Elliot instead of Krul at Man City very disturbing. Why risk Krul if he isn't 100% right? Elliott will do okay as long as the defence are organised and do their jobs in front of him. He's not good enough plain and simple. A new back up goalkeeper should have been on our list of priorities this summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Erm... there's no way Pardew would pick Elliot instead of Krul if Krul was fit. Not sure why we're even talking about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Erm... there's no way Pardew would pick Elliot instead of Krul if Krul was fit. Not sure why we're even talking about it. Pardew said: “I would have no concerns at all about playing Rob against Manchester City. “I’m a little reluctant to talk about this because Tim has been fine and will be absolutely fine. “He has worked really hard and is over the injury. “However, Rob has played a lot of games in pre-season and has looked really good. It was just this bit Ian, me reading too much into obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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