Guest bimpy474 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I just don't get how a player who can't do owt on the ball, isn't a goal threat and is often a liability with his tackling can be seen as a potentially good player by anyone. Tiote's true colours were revealed a while ago, I don't get why people want to deny it. None so blind as those who will not see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I just don't get how a player who can't do owt on the ball, isn't a goal threat and is often a liability with his tackling can be seen as a potentially good player by anyone. Tiote's true colours were revealed a while ago, I don't get why people want to deny it. Not denying he is shit going forward but we are shit even when 10 man are behind the ball defending. I think we overrate our organization and defensive tactics. We are so ineffective in closing down oppositions as well even if we spend more than half the match chasing the ball. Watching us defend then attack as a team seriously depressing. I will hold my judgement on Tiote till he moves to another team or we have a better manager change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Just to add, apart from HBA, Colo and Krul which they can all perform at their own individual level. I believe Pardew has the rest of the team playing at 50% to 70 % of their capacity/potential. Lower standard players like Perch and Ryan will definitely thrive in his negative shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I just don't get how a player who can't do owt on the ball, isn't a goal threat and is often a liability with his tackling can be seen as a potentially good player by anyone. Tiote's true colours were revealed a while ago, I don't get why people want to deny it. None so blind as those who will not see. Love it when Bimpy's profound. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 If Tiote tries to emulate Wilshere in any way we'll be done for. Chalk and cheese technically. Nowt wrong with watching and learning vital nuances of midfield play from a superior player like. Tiote is not some kind of defective robot. He has the physical attributes, he just needs to understand his role in the team. understanding what you need to do is different to being able to do it. I just think tiote has been sussed, not his fault but everyone now knows he cant protect the ball when put under minimal pressure. He's the only one who tries to protect the ball when in possession. The rest aren't much better when they hold onto the ball. It's one of the reasons we end up hoofing it so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I just don't get how a player who can't do owt on the ball, isn't a goal threat and is often a liability with his tackling can be seen as a potentially good player by anyone. Tiote's true colours were revealed a while ago, I don't get why people want to deny it. Because of his excellent first season. He has regressed so much since then. I put it down to over-confidence and not understanding his limitations, ,hence my original post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I just don't get how a player who can't do owt on the ball, isn't a goal threat and is often a liability with his tackling can be seen as a potentially good player by anyone. Tiote's true colours were revealed a while ago, I don't get why people want to deny it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I just don't get how a player who can't do owt on the ball, isn't a goal threat and is often a liability with his tackling can be seen as a potentially good player by anyone. Tiote's true colours were revealed a while ago, I don't get why people want to deny it. Because of his excellent first season. He has regressed so much since then. I put it down to over-confidence and not understanding his limitations, ,hence my original post. I'd say his 1st season was because teams didn't put him under pressure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 As Madras says, nobody had a clue he was the weak link in the midfield to pressure then. They all know it now, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Fucking hell, man, seconds. We need to bond. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 If you can do it once, then you can do it again and thats the reason why I wont write Tiote off. His form last season was abysmal, which of course is a massive worry but I think hes worth another season. I know I sound like a broken record but lets not forget the main reason why he has regressed as a player. Anita should start ahead of him in my john humble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 "Still no praise for Pardew, canny. 'Clogging style' had other managers stumped for a full season. Aye sounds legit" Brett. Can't quote properly atm. Anyhow on this, Pardew deserves credit for what he did, and he's been given it tbf. When you boil that season down though his main successes were organisation and player management. He did nothing clever tactically which he paid the price for last season. As for 'stumping' other managers are you truly that clueless? We were outplayed for a lot of games that season, we just had 2 very in form strikers scoring goals often of their own creation. Plus Ben Arfa came back at a great time to add another dimension to the team, the same dimension Pardew has gone out of his way to abandon I might add. So if he is taking the credit for 5th and assuming that being outplayed and relying on goals from nothing from ba and Cisse was his tactical masterplan then I'm more than welcome to credit the guy. Unlike you however I could see through it when it was working, therefore he deserves the full extent of the criticism he's had for being a poor, one dimensional and outdated coach since he was found out. The stumping other managers for a full season was a sarcastic comment as you claimed they never sussed him till last season but if his tactics were so one dimensional, why did it last a full season? Why couldn't managers during that season figure him out? How didn't Brendan Rodgers figure out that we would turn up, press his team all over the pitch then hit them with slick counter attacking football when they gave away posession? Why couldn't fergie work we would target their centre backs and would use the long ball to good effect? Why couldn't a lot of teams break us down? It wasn't simply a season of wonder goals and getting bailed out by two players. Our tactics were spot on, our organisation was brilliant, our work rate was superb and confidence was sky high. We hit a few bad spells and took a few maulings but we bounced back and showed good character when we did. Nobody expected us to achieve what we did, expectations went through the roof the next summer, sign more players, we are in Europe, start of something good again, the whole city was given a massive lift, you could just feel it around town during the season and Europe had everyone dreaming again. Christ, at one point we were even thinking about Champions League!!! Unfortunately it all came crumbling away last season and turned into an absolute nightmare, atmosphere had the opposite effect, you were going to games more anxious and worried at what the outcome might be, you could sense the nerves and tension. That's why i've said a good start is crucial this season, a win against west ham would be massive and then back it up against Fulham to get the confidence flowing and the belief factor back around the city, kick on from there and anything is possible again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I just don't get how a player who can't do owt on the ball, isn't a goal threat and is often a liability with his tackling can be seen as a potentially good player by anyone. Tiote's true colours were revealed a while ago, I don't get why people want to deny it. Because of his excellent first season. He has regressed so much since then. I put it down to over-confidence and not understanding his limitations, ,hence my original post. I'd say his 1st season was because teams didn't put him under pressure. But they did. Sometimes he got away with the swivelling and sometimes he did not, ie Blackburn. Generally though he had an excellent first season. Less so in our 5th place season and obviously he was fucking abysmal last season. Some of that is down to opposition pressing him more agreed but he was still spinning and turning aimlessly. Win the ball and simple pass . This really is his job. And he can do it because we have seen it before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hobshobs Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I just don't get how a player who can't do owt on the ball, isn't a goal threat and is often a liability with his tackling can be seen as a potentially good player by anyone. Tiote's true colours were revealed a while ago, I don't get why people want to deny it. Because of his excellent first season. He has regressed so much since then. I put it down to over-confidence and not understanding his limitations, ,hence my original post. I'd say his 1st season was because teams didn't put him under pressure. I'd say he looked good because at that point we were comparing him with such as Butt and Geremi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I just don't get how a player who can't do owt on the ball, isn't a goal threat and is often a liability with his tackling can be seen as a potentially good player by anyone. Tiote's true colours were revealed a while ago, I don't get why people want to deny it. Because of his excellent first season. He has regressed so much since then. I put it down to over-confidence and not understanding his limitations, ,hence my original post. I'd say his 1st season was because teams didn't put him under pressure. I'd say he looked good because at that point we were comparing him with such as Butt and Geremi. Rightho, I reckon Cisse is fucking shite because I'm comparing him to Alan Shearer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I just don't get how a player who can't do owt on the ball, isn't a goal threat and is often a liability with his tackling can be seen as a potentially good player by anyone. Tiote's true colours were revealed a while ago, I don't get why people want to deny it. Not denying he is s*** going forward but we are s*** even when 10 man are behind the ball defending. I think we overrate our organization and defensive tactics. We are so ineffective in closing down oppositions as well even if we spend more than half the match chasing the ball. Watching us defend then attack as a team seriously depressing. I will hold my judgement on Tiote till he moves to another team or we have a better manager change. This - Tiote was a completely different player under Hughton. As with most of the squad, he has declined markedly under Pardew's management. Only Colo has retained his undoubted class and he is getting older now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hobshobs Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I just don't get how a player who can't do owt on the ball, isn't a goal threat and is often a liability with his tackling can be seen as a potentially good player by anyone. Tiote's true colours were revealed a while ago, I don't get why people want to deny it. Because of his excellent first season. He has regressed so much since then. I put it down to over-confidence and not understanding his limitations, ,hence my original post. I'd say his 1st season was because teams didn't put him under pressure. I'd say he looked good because at that point we were comparing him with such as Butt and Geremi. Rightho, I reckon Cisse is f***ing s**** because I'm comparing him to Alan Shearer. Comparing you to Pardew, hard to say who is the bigger a***hole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I just don't get how a player who can't do owt on the ball, isn't a goal threat and is often a liability with his tackling can be seen as a potentially good player by anyone. Tiote's true colours were revealed a while ago, I don't get why people want to deny it. Because of his excellent first season. He has regressed so much since then. I put it down to over-confidence and not understanding his limitations, ,hence my original post. I'd say his 1st season was because teams didn't put him under pressure. I'd say he looked good because at that point we were comparing him with such as Butt and Geremi. Rightho, I reckon Cisse is f***ing s**** because I'm comparing him to Alan Shearer. Comparing you to Pardew, hard to say who is the bigger a***hole. You started it ,fuckwit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Play nice dudes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hobshobs Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I just don't get how a player who can't do owt on the ball, isn't a goal threat and is often a liability with his tackling can be seen as a potentially good player by anyone. Tiote's true colours were revealed a while ago, I don't get why people want to deny it. Because of his excellent first season. He has regressed so much since then. I put it down to over-confidence and not understanding his limitations, ,hence my original post. I'd say his 1st season was because teams didn't put him under pressure. I'd say he looked good because at that point we were comparing him with such as Butt and Geremi. Rightho, I reckon Cisse is f***ing s**** because I'm comparing him to Alan Shearer. Comparing you to Pardew, hard to say who is the bigger a***hole. You started it ,fuckwit. Aye OK mate. Back to school on Monday, allowed to stay up for the match at night? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I just don't get how a player who can't do owt on the ball, isn't a goal threat and is often a liability with his tackling can be seen as a potentially good player by anyone. Tiote's true colours were revealed a while ago, I don't get why people want to deny it. Because of his excellent first season. He has regressed so much since then. I put it down to over-confidence and not understanding his limitations, ,hence my original post. I'd say his 1st season was because teams didn't put him under pressure. I'd say he looked good because at that point we were comparing him with such as Butt and Geremi. Rightho, I reckon Cisse is f***ing s**** because I'm comparing him to Alan Shearer. Comparing you to Pardew, hard to say who is the bigger a***hole. You started it ,fuckwit. Aye OK mate. Back to school on Monday, allowed to stay up for the match at night? Nah we're on holiday . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishMagpie Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Is there any single player that has improved under this wanker's management? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Is there any single player that has improved under this w*****'s management? Pffft hard to say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midstoon Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Is there any single player that has improved under this w*****'s management? Maybe Perch! & look what we did with him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I just don't get how a player who can't do owt on the ball, isn't a goal threat and is often a liability with his tackling can be seen as a potentially good player by anyone. Tiote's true colours were revealed a while ago, I don't get why people want to deny it. Because of his excellent first season. He has regressed so much since then. I put it down to over-confidence and not understanding his limitations, ,hence my original post. I'd say his 1st season was because teams didn't put him under pressure. I'd say he looked good because at that point we were comparing him with such as Butt and Geremi. Rightho, I reckon Cisse is f***ing s**** because I'm comparing him to Alan Shearer. Comparing you to Pardew, hard to say who is the bigger a***hole. You started it ,fuckwit. Aye OK mate. Back to school on Monday, allowed to stay up for the match at night? Zing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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