Alan Pardew

[Shearergol]

"five excellent first team players"

 

One of them who never gets to play 90 minutes. Another one who isn't actually ready for the first team. Another one who is only playing because Taylor is suspended.

 

Brilliant.

[Elliottman]

What a coward this bloke is.

[Big Geordie]

Not wanting to bang my own drum, but was first caller (just after 10mins) on Total Sport tonight. Here's a link if anyone wants to listen and pull me to pieces! ;-)

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p01fjdqy/Total_Sport_03_09_2013/

[Elliottman]

Not wanting to bang my own drum, but was first caller (just after 10mins) on Total Sport tonight. Here's a link if anyone wants to listen and pull me to pieces! ;-)

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p01fjdqy/Total_Sport_03_09_2013/

 

I think I caught you on the catch up bit. Did you mention the statement being a joke or something?

[Wullie]

I was listening to that, you were very good. They weren't happy when you said he was raping the club like.

[Rich]

"Rape the TV money". Fucking Pardewed the shit out of that bit.

[Big Geordie]

Not wanting to bang my own drum, but was first caller (just after 10mins) on Total Sport tonight. Here's a link if anyone wants to listen and pull me to pieces! ;-)

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p01fjdqy/Total_Sport_03_09_2013/

 

I think I caught you on the catch up bit. Did you mention the statement being a joke or something?

 

Aye, I did. Have since apologized to Pridey for the term, but it was born of frustration.

[Jack Flash]

Good stuff BG. Every little helps.

[LFEE]

Yes had a little chuckle when i heard that one... Had a feeling it was someone off here... Far too coherent for a normal caller...

[Wullie]

Not wanting to bang my own drum, but was first caller (just after 10mins) on Total Sport tonight. Here's a link if anyone wants to listen and pull me to pieces! ;-)

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p01fjdqy/Total_Sport_03_09_2013/

 

I think I caught you on the catch up bit. Did you mention the statement being a joke or something?

 

Aye, I did. Have since apologized to Pridey for the term, but it was born of frustration.

 

Perfectly valid use of the word by dictionary definition tbh, a pet peeve of mine.

[Big Geordie]

Not wanting to bang my own drum, but was first caller (just after 10mins) on Total Sport tonight. Here's a link if anyone wants to listen and pull me to pieces! ;-)

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p01fjdqy/Total_Sport_03_09_2013/

 

I think I caught you on the catch up bit. Did you mention the statement being a joke or something?

 

Aye, I did. Have since apologized to Pridey for the term, but it was born of frustration.

 

Perfectly valid use of the word by dictionary definition tbh, a pet peeve of mine.

 

Can understand why TS didn't like it though - but yes, it was the right term when it comes to the context of my point. And of course - a Pardewism to boot.

[Dave]

Thing is as much as I hate Pardew, if he walked/was sacked today I think we're relegated.

It would be a direct copy of 2008 all over again. Squad that should be good enough to at least finish somewhere between 10th-14th at the bare minimum would be plunged into chaos once more due to the owners utter incompetence. Kinnear would step in to "steady the ship" He would tell tales again of how Mike was selling the club and how Alan Shearer would be coming back and Kevin Keegan.

Meanwhile we plummet down the league. Kinnear eventually dies or at least cannot medically carry on so Beardsley steps in to save the day. Ben Arfa, Krul and Cabaye get shifted in January and we eventually go down with a whimper.

 

As much as I am currently fed up of the club, it's more out of boredom and depression in that this is as good as it will get as we are showing no ambition.

But bizarrely it seems most of the players still have some sort of connection with Pardew and barring any major injuries I think he could just about see us through this season to safety. Although it will be a dull,depressing experience.

 

So what I'm saying is I think Pardew stays then we remain the same. Maybe slightly improved on last season who knows but if he goes I can only see one real scenario playing out and that is utter 2008-style chaos.

 

 

Completely agree. Depressing stuff.

[littlelunchbox]

Thing is as much as I hate Pardew, if he walked/was sacked today I think we're relegated.

It would be a direct copy of 2008 all over again. Squad that should be good enough to at least finish somewhere between 10th-14th at the bare minimum would be plunged into chaos once more due to the owners utter incompetence. Kinnear would step in to "steady the ship" He would tell tales again of how Mike was selling the club and how Alan Shearer would be coming back and Kevin Keegan.

Meanwhile we plummet down the league. Kinnear eventually dies or at least cannot medically carry on so Beardsley steps in to save the day. Ben Arfa, Krul and Cabaye get shifted in January and we eventually go down with a whimper.

 

As much as I am currently fed up of the club, it's more out of boredom and depression in that this is as good as it will get as we are showing no ambition.

But bizarrely it seems most of the players still have some sort of connection with Pardew and barring any major injuries I think he could just about see us through this season to safety. Although it will be a dull,depressing experience.

 

So what I'm saying is I think Pardew stays then we remain the same. Maybe slightly improved on last season who knows but if he goes I can only see one real scenario playing out and that is utter 2008-style chaos.

 

 

Going by your scenarios.

 

The longer Pardew stays that means the longer we will have JFK. 

 

Only way of JFK leaving nufc is if Pardew walks/get sacked, then JFK takes over gets us near or actually relegated then he himself gets relieved of his duties.

 

Thats why im in favour of Pardew going,  lets get this over and done with.  Its going to happen eventually anyway.

 

[Dave]

We couldn't afford any player in world football good enough to be considered an upgrade on 31 year old Shola Ameobi. I can't fucking believe what they're peddling here. Actually unreal.

 

It's all a pisstake. They're just laughing at us, all three of the cunts.

[Sifu]

No ambition from top to bottom in the management/progression of this club. Looks like we're going to have to endure mediocrity for the foreseeable future and that is really saddening. All that pride and passion we had is slowly disintegrating, apathy really has set in all round and Pardew is most certainly a factor of this with his shit football.

[Tiresias]

We couldn't afford any player in world football good enough to be considered an upgrade on 31 year old Shola Ameobi. I can't f***ing believe what they're peddling here. Actually unreal.

 

It's all a pisstake. They're just laughing at us, all three of the c***s.

 

This

[sugoinufc]

We couldn't afford any player in world football good enough to be considered an upgrade on 31 year old Shola Ameobi. I can't f***ing believe what they're peddling here. Actually unreal.

 

It's all a pisstake. They're just laughing at us, all three of the c***s.

 

"However some of the options that were available within our financial means were not as good as the players we already had and there is no point bringing in new players unless they can improve us and take us forward." Pardew

 

Fuking liar. 1 loanee is all we can afford. WTF. For months he has talked about how much we needed 2-3 attacking players. Now suddenly he is happy with our squad. He is a joke.

 

I seriously can´t understand how he keeps our key players happy? Not sure cabaye is though. Do they not have more ambition than this?

 

Really hope the fat bastard would sell the club - its the only way forward.

 

Also - watch Shola feature in every single game at least until x-mas...3 years after he should have retired from the PL.

 

 

 

[Dave]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/comment-alan-pardew-defends-joe-kinnear-but-fails-to-hide-the-significant-cracks-in-newcastle-foundations-8796917.html

Comment: Alan Pardew defends Joe Kinnear but fails to hide the significant cracks in Newcastle foundations

 

Loan signing of Loic Remy was the only new arrival at St James' Park this summer

Martin Hardy

 

Tuesday 03 September 2013

 

 

The uneasy truce came at three o'clock on Tuesday, 16 hours after the transfer window had shut. In it, Alan Pardew spoke of being in an "optimistic frame of mind," of "exciting partnerships" and said that Joe Kinnear, the Newcastle director of football, had "worked hard on numerous targets."

 

Last week Pardew had said there was money to spend, regardless of Yohan Cabaye's future. Two weeks ago, Pardew had stressed Newcastle needed to get "one or two transfers over the line before deadline."

 

Nothing happened, but the power struggle is such at St James' Park that there is a need for caution from Pardew. He cannot say that he wished the club had landed Darren Bent. He cannot express frustration that his squad has added a little bit of quality in Loic Remy and lost even more depth after being pruned.

 

Pardew's position is way too precarious for that kind of attack.

 

A beast of a football club walks on egg shells.

 

Only Kinnear feels confident enough in his role to ride roughshod over the airwaves, although even he has lost the gusto that saw proclaim to the world that he would make Newcastle better and stronger upon his appointment, lest we forget, on a three-year deal, back in June, when what little semblance of sense at this football club ended.

 

His first act as director of football was to block a move that had taken 12 months to set up for the central defender Douglas. Graham Carr, the chief scout who Mike Ashley, the Newcastle owner, personally gave an eight year contract, was ready to walk because of it. It is thought there was a deal close to completion on Monday for a wide midfielder as the clock ticked towards 11 o'clock. Again it stumbled at the finishing post. The ramifications of that remain to be seen. James McCarthy was a target until reality dawned that Cabaye would not fetch £25 million and Wigan would not sell for less than £12 million. Bafetimbi Gomis was close but could not be completed.

 

Just over 46,000 saw Newcastle struggle past an unadventurous and uninspired Fulham on Saturday, 5,000 less than watched the corresponding fixture just under five months ago. That is a drop of almost 1,000 fans a month. No club can afford that kind of haemorrhaging. More than 11 per cent of St James' Park was empty for the second home game of the season. There is growing unrest, borne out by those figures.

 

Ashley raged at last season's failure. A season after finishing fifth, Newcastle were perilously close to being relegated. Derek Llambias, the chief executive, resigned. Pardew was punished with the appointment of Kinnear, who is still the manager in waiting. The existing manager will not walk, so he treads an uneasy path. He was also handed an eight-year contract. There is a desire not to face another huge pay-off.

 

Kinnear, it can now be argued, has succeeded. 2013 will go down as the summer of smoke and mirrors. His words filled the space where signings were expected to go. Privately, Ashley fumed at having to spend a total of £33 million to land five players, Moussa Sissoko, Yoan Gouffran, Massadio Haidara, Mathieu Debuchy and Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, in the January transfer window. Two of those deals were supposed to happen this summer but the threat of relegation increased their need (and their expense).

 

Newcastle were never going to be major players in the transfer market this summer. The bluster of Kinnear hid that unsettling truth to Newcastle supporters. There was never a pot of money to spend. Investment depended on Cabaye being sold for a fee of around £20 million. On Sunday night, the message inside the club was that the drawbridge on the France midfielder had been pulled up. They would not sell the player, no matter how great his desire to leave. Not getting a major fee for Cabaye - the biggest offer was £10.2 million from Arsenal - is Kinnear's only real failure. Pardew has been unsettled. Nothing has been spent.

 

The Newcastle manager's words yesterday were released as a statement and sit at such a polar opposite to the mood of a football club.

 

"We are delighted to have brought Loic Remy to the club in this window and we believe he will form an exciting and effective partnership with Papiss Cisse," his statement read. "Joe (Kinnear) has worked hard on numerous targets, particularly an additional offensive player. However some of the options that were available within our financial means were not as good as the players we already had and there is no point bringing in new players unless they can improve us and take us forward. We did the majority of our business in the January window, signing five excellent first team players. With the strong squad we have we should all approach the season in a positive, optimistic frame of mind."

 

Optimism. It is a rare currency to find on Tyneside right now.

[Jack Flash]

If we were willing to spend £15+million on Aubergine then where did that money go? We couldn't replace Shola for that much?

 

Don't even know why I'm thinking so much about it. They themselves don't even believe what they've said.

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

Not wanting to bang my own drum, but was first caller (just after 10mins) on Total Sport tonight. Here's a link if anyone wants to listen and pull me to pieces! ;-)

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p01fjdqy/Total_Sport_03_09_2013/

 

Hahahaha that was you that said he was raping the club? 

 

Simon Pryde wasn't happy like but you made perfectly valid points.

[Wilson]

Don't even know why I'm thinking so much about it. They themselves don't even believe what they've said.

 

That's it, they don't even try to hide it now. Just brazen, contradictory lies...constantly. 

 

That Independent article just says what most people thought/feared.

[mofo]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/comment-alan-pardew-defends-joe-kinnear-but-fails-to-hide-the-significant-cracks-in-newcastle-foundations-8796917.html

Comment: Alan Pardew defends Joe Kinnear but fails to hide the significant cracks in Newcastle foundations

 

Loan signing of Loic Remy was the only new arrival at St James' Park this summer

Martin Hardy

 

Tuesday 03 September 2013

 

 

The uneasy truce came at three o'clock on Tuesday, 16 hours after the transfer window had shut. In it, Alan Pardew spoke of being in an "optimistic frame of mind," of "exciting partnerships" and said that Joe Kinnear, the Newcastle director of football, had "worked hard on numerous targets."

 

Last week Pardew had said there was money to spend, regardless of Yohan Cabaye's future. Two weeks ago, Pardew had stressed Newcastle needed to get "one or two transfers over the line before deadline."

 

Nothing happened, but the power struggle is such at St James' Park that there is a need for caution from Pardew. He cannot say that he wished the club had landed Darren Bent. He cannot express frustration that his squad has added a little bit of quality in Loic Remy and lost even more depth after being pruned.

 

Pardew's position is way too precarious for that kind of attack.

 

A beast of a football club walks on egg shells.

 

Only Kinnear feels confident enough in his role to ride roughshod over the airwaves, although even he has lost the gusto that saw proclaim to the world that he would make Newcastle better and stronger upon his appointment, lest we forget, on a three-year deal, back in June, when what little semblance of sense at this football club ended.

 

His first act as director of football was to block a move that had taken 12 months to set up for the central defender Douglas. Graham Carr, the chief scout who Mike Ashley, the Newcastle owner, personally gave an eight year contract, was ready to walk because of it. It is thought there was a deal close to completion on Monday for a wide midfielder as the clock ticked towards 11 o'clock. Again it stumbled at the finishing post. The ramifications of that remain to be seen. James McCarthy was a target until reality dawned that Cabaye would not fetch £25 million and Wigan would not sell for less than £12 million. Bafetimbi Gomis was close but could not be completed.

 

Just over 46,000 saw Newcastle struggle past an unadventurous and uninspired Fulham on Saturday, 5,000 less than watched the corresponding fixture just under five months ago. That is a drop of almost 1,000 fans a month. No club can afford that kind of haemorrhaging. More than 11 per cent of St James' Park was empty for the second home game of the season. There is growing unrest, borne out by those figures.

 

Ashley raged at last season's failure. A season after finishing fifth, Newcastle were perilously close to being relegated. Derek Llambias, the chief executive, resigned. Pardew was punished with the appointment of Kinnear, who is still the manager in waiting. The existing manager will not walk, so he treads an uneasy path. He was also handed an eight-year contract. There is a desire not to face another huge pay-off.

 

Kinnear, it can now be argued, has succeeded. 2013 will go down as the summer of smoke and mirrors. His words filled the space where signings were expected to go. Privately, Ashley fumed at having to spend a total of £33 million to land five players, Moussa Sissoko, Yoan Gouffran, Massadio Haidara, Mathieu Debuchy and Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, in the January transfer window. Two of those deals were supposed to happen this summer but the threat of relegation increased their need (and their expense).

 

Newcastle were never going to be major players in the transfer market this summer. The bluster of Kinnear hid that unsettling truth to Newcastle supporters. There was never a pot of money to spend. Investment depended on Cabaye being sold for a fee of around £20 million. On Sunday night, the message inside the club was that the drawbridge on the France midfielder had been pulled up. They would not sell the player, no matter how great his desire to leave. Not getting a major fee for Cabaye - the biggest offer was £10.2 million from Arsenal - is Kinnear's only real failure. Pardew has been unsettled. Nothing has been spent.

 

The Newcastle manager's words yesterday were released as a statement and sit at such a polar opposite to the mood of a football club.

 

"We are delighted to have brought Loic Remy to the club in this window and we believe he will form an exciting and effective partnership with Papiss Cisse," his statement read. "Joe (Kinnear) has worked hard on numerous targets, particularly an additional offensive player. However some of the options that were available within our financial means were not as good as the players we already had and there is no point bringing in new players unless they can improve us and take us forward. We did the majority of our business in the January window, signing five excellent first team players. With the strong squad we have we should all approach the season in a positive, optimistic frame of mind."

 

Optimism. It is a rare currency to find on Tyneside right now.

 

Nice to see some of the journo's speaking out, Hopefully they will give pardew a drilling.

[Chris_R]

Kinnear, it can now be argued, has succeeded. 2013 will go down as the summer of smoke and mirrors. His words filled the space where signings were expected to go. Privately, Ashley fumed at having to spend a total of £33 million to land five players, Moussa Sissoko, Yoan Gouffran, Massadio Haidara, Mathieu Debuchy and Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, in the January transfer window. Two of those deals were supposed to happen this summer but the threat of relegation increased their need (and their expense).

 

Look, I realise I'm stretching my GCSE maths to its limit here, but I've added up 5.5 + 6.7 + 2.0 + 2.2 + 1.2 and I'm not getting 33.

 

I even used a calculator, and got the wife to check it too.

 

Sure, we've got to pay wages to these people but I've noticed that the policy of adding shit like that into the cost of signing people is only ever done one way, and nobody ever takes back the wages we saved on Guthrie, Smith, Lovenkrands, Ba, Simpson, Forster, Harper and Perch. Never mind their wages, if you're playing the "Net cost" game at least deduct the £13m that we raised in player sales in that vacuum where we signed nobody at all either side of that "spending spree".

 

That £33m is nothing but an absolute fucking lie.

 

[Agree with the rest of the article, though]

[mofo]

Kinnear, it can now be argued, has succeeded. 2013 will go down as the summer of smoke and mirrors. His words filled the space where signings were expected to go. Privately, Ashley fumed at having to spend a total of £33 million to land five players, Moussa Sissoko, Yoan Gouffran, Massadio Haidara, Mathieu Debuchy and Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, in the January transfer window. Two of those deals were supposed to happen this summer but the threat of relegation increased their need (and their expense).

 

Look, I realise I'm stretching my GCSE maths to its limit here, but I've added up 5.5 + 6.7 + 2.0 + 2.2 + 1.2 and I'm not getting 33.

 

I even used a calculator, and got the wife to check it too.

 

Sure, we've got to pay wages to these people but I've noticed that the policy of adding shit like that into the cost of signing people is only ever done one way, and nobody ever takes back the wages we saved on Guthrie, Smith, Lovenkrands, Ba, Simpson, Forster, Harper and Perch. Never mind their wages, if you're playing the "Net cost" game at least deduct the £13m that we raised in player sales in that vacuum where we signed nobody at all either side of that "spending spree".

 

That £33m is nothing but an absolute fucking lie.

 

[Agree with the rest of the article, though]

 

[Dave]

Probably includes some wages.