quayside Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Probably includes some wages. Agents fees too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Also reduced the wage bill that summer to make space for sigings, cant really man about wages, we pay bare minimum as it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 It's a totally fabricated figure. Didn't it come from Llambias? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Probably includes some wages. Really? Why didn't I think of that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Yea they take into account wages added but not wages removed via player sales... Smoke and mirrors indeed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Yea they take into account wages added but not wages removed via player sales... Smoke and mirrors indeed That is exactly what Doug Ellis used to do. He'd add transfer fee to wages over the full length of the contract, and VAT on top. Dougonomics. When clubs start engaging in that, it's a sorry state of affairs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/10284585/Alan-Pardew-tries-to-quell-Newcastle-United-fans-anger-with-defence-of-lack-of-transfer-activity.html Alan Pardew has tried to protect the Mike Ashley regime from the fury of disgruntled fans after Newcastle United released a statement in his name in which he defended the club’s lack of transfer activity. Alan Pardew tries to quell Newcastle fans' anger with defence of lack of transfer activity Making a statement: Alan Pardew insisted fans should be approaching the season in a “positive, optimistic frame of mind” even though Newcastle were the only top-flight club not to make a permanent signing this summer Photo: ACTION IMAGES By Luke Edwards 10:00PM BST 03 Sep 2013 CommentsComment In what appears to be a move designed to nullify rising anger on Tyneside, Pardew insisted fans should be approaching the season in a “positive, optimistic frame of mind” even though Newcastle United were the only top-flight club not to make a permanent signing this summer. Pardew, who had repeatedly said he would be “disappointed” if no signings were made other than Loïc Rémy on loan from Queens Park Rangers, insisted on Tuesday he had a “strong squad” and that they had done their business in January when they signed five players from France. “We are delighted to have brought Loïc Rémy to the club in this window and we believe he will form an exciting and effective partnership with Papiss Cissé,” said Pardew, in a statement released on the club’s official website. “Joe has worked hard on numerous targets, particularly an additional offensive player. However, some of the options that were available within our financial means were not as good as the players we already had and there is no point bringing in new players unless they can improve us and take us forward. “We did the majority of our business in the January window, signing five excellent first-team players. With the strong squad we have we should all approach the season in a positive, optimistic frame of mind.” Related Articles Newcastle fans fume at Kinnear 02 Sep 2013 How did your team fare this summer? 03 Sep 2013 Transfer deadline day: as it happened 02 Sep 2013 Premier League: Transfer Talk 26 Aug 2013 Remy bailed over rape allegations 02 Sep 2013 Cabaye's return improves Newcastle's midfield 01 Sep 2013 Sponsored Club Wembley: a stadium experience that’s hard to match The statement contradicts what Pardew has consistently said over the summer. Newcastle were looking for a centre-back, a left winger and two strikers when Joe Kinnear was appointed director of football in June, but only Rémy arrived. Newcastle fans are furious about what they perceive as a lack of ambition, and a small squad that flirted dangerously with relegation last season remains vulnerable to injuries and a lack of competition for places. The attempts to plead poverty and bemoan a lack of “financial means” also do not sit well with supporters who heard repeatedly from former managing director Derek Llambias how well the business was doing. Since then, Newcastle have announced their biggest shirt sponsorship deal with Wonga and benefited from a new lucrative Premier League television deal, but none of that money appears to have gone back into improving the team. Although Ashley has been accused of not wanting to spend, Telegraph Sport understands there was money available, but there was often a lack of agreement between Kinnear, Pardew and chief scout Graham Carr about how best to use it. When the trio did agree on targets, Kinnear failed to make the deals happen. Lyon striker Bafétimbi Gomis, Lille’s Florian Thauvin, Chelsea’s Demba Ba, Norwich City’s Anthony Pilkington, Blackpool’s Thomas Ince and Wigan’s James McCarthy were all targeted, but none signed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Its as if: Transfer fees + Agent fees + Wages for entire contract Must equal Only the fees received for players sold Otherwise we're risking financial ruin. By omission, we're told to forget forget: Wages saved on players sold, merchandising, sponsorship, prize money, gate receipts, TV money and f*** knows what else. It's not "smoke and mirrors" as r0cafella so generously put it, its horseshit. Good old-fashioned horseshit. And it's being forced down our mouths at every turn, yet some still seem keen to say that it doesn't really taste that bad, and since Uncle Mike is cooking dinner he can cook whatever he wants because he's paying for it, and on that basis they'd like another serving. There really is no helping some people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Anthony Pilkington? Random link. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Its as if: Transfer fees + Agent fees + Wages for entire contract Must equal Only the fees received for players sold Otherwise we're risking financial ruin. By omission, we're told to forget forget: Wages saved on players sold, merchandising, sponsorship, prize money, gate receipts, TV money and f*** knows what else. It's not "smoke and mirrors" as r0cafella so generously put it, its horseshit. Good old-fashioned horseshit. And it's being forced down our mouths at every turn, yet some still seem keen to say that it doesn't really taste that bad, and since Uncle Mike is cooking dinner he can cook whatever he wants because he's paying for it, and on that basis they'd like another serving. There really is no helping some people. Agree Chris they will wheel out the mike saved us from run quote soon enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I don't think that Newcastle fans are furious at what's happening. The minority, but majority on here, are resigned to the situation and have been for a long time now, and the majority that go to the matches every week, are living in some kind of heroin addled state of confusion where the piss taking smells of champagne. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Anthony Pilkington? Random link. Was mentioned on here at some point during the window, don't know much about him other than MOTD clips, in which he looked fairly descent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Joe is blatantly trying to screw Pardew over to get in the job. Just like he said he would any manager under him, if he got a director of football role. No doubt about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I don't think that Newcastle fans are furious at what's happening. The minority, but majority on here, are resigned to the situation and have been for a long time now, and the majority that go to the matches every week, are living in some kind of heroin addled state of confusion where the p*ss taking smells of champagne. I've actively stopped supporting Newcastle United until we become a football club again. Up Los Liones! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 The January signings thing is a complete joke. They ignore the fact we only brought Anita the previous summer. They also ignore Demba Ba fee we received and removed wages + other players who left that summer. They ignore the fact Debuchy should have been a summer signing. They pretend like we don't know the transfer fees for Gouffran and Sissoko were minimal. They add together transfer fee +agent fees+signing on fees+wages for all players. Imagine if all other clubs added in wages to transfer fees for every deal they do. Ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I see no harm in adding them on, they are costs when all said and done. But you've got to fucking take them back off again when you sell half a dozen too. And you have to actually acknowledge that we're raking in countless millions through TV money, prize money and gate receipts so balancing costs of players in Vs players out isn't necessary to turn a profit. It's the "Have my cake and eat it" mentality. They think we're idiots. Though given that nearly 50,000 rock up every fortnight in replica shirts and barely say a peep in protest, they've probably got a point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Guess we add the wages saved onto any transfer fees we recieve then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 We aren't in major trouble like people make out. We've had a good start to the season and our players are starting to come together and get fit. i admire your optimism Brett, but we've really not had a good start to the season in actual fact...it's been bang average at best but yes, has some signs that the football has improved a little obviously i'm one of the ultra-negative crowd but after the window fiasco this season is literally a couple of pardew brainfarts away from slipping into disaster a la 2008 again...i think villa will do us, hull looks winnable i guess but you have to fear both the everton and cardiff (!) games...we're just not that good at the moment reckon we'll be lucky to see 10 points from 21 in our "easy" start to the season and then head into a shit run of tricky games i'd say things are on a knife-edge just now, how he approaches villa will tell us a lot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled in Texas Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 That's the beauty of January signings......they apply to both the summer before and the summer to come. They can be applied to either's spending tally without any firm definition. They were either to make up for last summer or brought forward from this summer or both or neither. Apply as needed for the current discussion at hand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Why were they targets if they weren't good enough in the 1st place? Exactly. What a farce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Pards isn't going to come out and say. "Hey guys! We're fucked! " Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Pards isn't going to come out and say. "Hey guys! We're fucked! " this, pure pr tripe to be ignored Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Pards isn't going to come out and say. "Hey guys! We're f***ed! " this, pure pr tripe to be ignored It wouldn't have to be ignored if he kept his mouth shut, he deserves all of the stick he gets and any stick he gets is self inflicted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Pards isn't going to come out and say. "Hey guys! We're fucked! " No he isn't, but he should have said fuck all and if pressed, deferred all transfer related questions to "Joe" (as he mostly did all summer) That would hve been his best "out" in this situation IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocksammy Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 If Pardew doesn't get top 8 he has to go at the end of the season, this squad should be aiming to achieve that. If we are 11th-10th in January give him some money and get us to push us up there. If it doesn't work just part ways and get in a new manager who can get the best out of our current crop of players. Sure I'm upset that we didn't spend any money in the transfer window but at the same time I can look at our squad and say well there was probably only two positions that needed players in immediately but we have players who also need to be given a chance in those positions before we go on and bring in replacements. Gouffran and Cisse will work as a partnership if Pardew is good enough to explain to the players how to make it work. If he can't well then its only more of a reason to replace him. There is a lot of sense not overpaying this window, once again there will be value in January, we have to buy players for value we can't go out and compete with anyone in this league and that includes southampton/norwich/swansea the reason being we wont offer silly money to beat another team, we want players to actually come here. I know its difficult for players to want to come to this club when the club fails to show true ambition. But the only way you will get success in this environment is continual astuteness in the market or be bank rolled by a sheikh. Getting one of those monster players on loan that everyone was preaching moses/sinclair/lukaku was an absolute waste of money, it was a 3 million upfront, no buyout option and you had to pay their full CL wages. There is absolute no sense in Newcastle touching any of those players. Of all the clubs that got value in the transfer window the Remy transfer (if it includes a reasonable buyout option and we aren't paying his full wages) the Eriksen (out of contract) were the only true bargain transfers of the window. The new PL money just over inflated the entirety of the market. If the Gomis transfer stories are to be believed I can see why NUFC were hesitant in splashing the cash. If our January business + Remy had been our summer business everyone would be saying how magical we were considering what everyone else over paid for during this last window. We have to make our dollars go further then every other club because we want to compete at a higher level then mid table mediocrity. I'm sure if Eriksen wanted to come here we would of stumped up the cash to pay for this move. At least in January we can either look forward to seeing a new manager come in or a new player or two. I hope to see a new player as it would mean we are pushing upwards and onward however if its a new manager it better be the best person available not the cheapest. That's the point in which I would truly lose my shit with this club not at a transfer window in which almost every player sale has been inflated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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