Alan Pardew

[Guest reefatoon]

They were the home side, they hardly attacked us, just sat back after an early goal, we changed formation after 10 minutes and took control of the game. I don't think either side showed more motivation than the other, we sat back and done the same to Liverpool, it's not motivational, it's just far easier to look like your working harder when you are sitting deep closing down moves, cutting out the space.

 

If a player can't get himself motivated for a derby game, he doesn't deserve to be in football, you shouldn't need a manager for that type of game to get you up for it, you should question your own character if you fail to do that yourself. It's the so called easier games where complacency can set where a manager should get players motivated for, a derby should come natural to their fire in the belly.

 

I’m not moving on my stance that I thought a draw would have been fair, when their second flew in, I felt sick and I felt robbed as up until then I was still in the belief we would be the ones to go on and get the winner, never even contemplated them scoring again. Even the mackem lad I know doesn’t think they deserved to win and is still worried by their performance for being on the back foot so long at home. If they battered us and raped us, i would be tearing in to the players for rolling over and letting them do that but they didn’t, they took the early goal on the chin and went in seek of an equaliser, then a winner.

 

 

No we didn't, utter shite.  We were second to everything, and the amount of second balls they picked up where we were nowhere to be seen was criminal.  You must not have watched the same game as there was no way we took contol after 10 minutes!  you my friend are an absolute barn pot.

[Disco]

Sunderland deserved to win because they scored more goals than us. Doesn't matter that it was a wonder goal.

What a horrible approach to look at football. You conceded more goals then they did, so you deserve to lose. If I’m a neutral watching a game of football and I see a team give it their all in trying to break down a team but then other team break away and grab a late winner, am I f*** giving them any credit for a deserved win. I still refuse to believe Chelsea were worthy winners of the Champions League, they couldn’t ride their luck like that if they tried.

 

It's also the opposite of what people say when Pardew relies on a wonder strike to get something from a game.

 

...but Poyet was managing his second game.  None of those players are his and he's not had any time to instill his system.  He still got the tactics and motivation spot on and got an effective point winning performance.

 

Pardew failed on every level except ball retention for 20 minute periods in both halves, despite it being his team of 3 years.

 

 

Even then it was largely passive football as Wenger would call it where we weren't creating anything more than openings for potshots from 25/30 yards because they were organised enough to stop us getting to the byline/crowding the box.

[BrettNUFC]

The fact that we didn't fold in the second half against Liverpool surprised almost all of us, I'd imagine; but that sort of performance was a massive exception to the 'norm' that we've witnessed for months and months. The games where we've played with the level of passion we should see every week (doubly so against the mackems) stand out because they're so few and far between.

 

But it was only the game before that where we didn't fold either against Cardiff and showed were would stand up and fight for the points if needed. Then game before that against Everton, I’m sure people expected it to be 5 or 6 after the first 45 yet there we were looking for an equaliser to make it 3-3 in the closing minutes. The group hasn’t showed like they don’t care or aren’t motivated in recent weeks and I don’t believe that was the case on Sunday, we just lacked ideas on how to break Sunderland down and that’s Pardew’s fault.

 

Don't talk about your pops like that.

 

[Guest neesy111]

We were in control of the game, that's some of the biggest load of crap I've heard on this forum.  I can't remember a single chance we created 1st half.

[Guest bimpy474]

They were the home side, they hardly attacked us, just sat back after an early goal, we changed formation after 10 minutes and took control of the game. I don't think either side showed more motivation than the other, we sat back and done the same to Liverpool, it's not motivational, it's just far easier to look like your working harder when you are sitting deep closing down moves, cutting out the space.

 

If a player can't get himself motivated for a derby game, he doesn't deserve to be in football, you shouldn't need a manager for that type of game to get you up for it, you should question your own character if you fail to do that yourself. It's the so called easier games where complacency can set where a manager should get players motivated for, a derby should come natural to their fire in the belly.

 

I’m not moving on my stance that I thought a draw would have been fair, when their second flew in, I felt sick and I felt robbed as up until then I was still in the belief we would be the ones to go on and get the winner, never even contemplated them scoring again. Even the mackem lad I know doesn’t think they deserved to win and is still worried by their performance for being on the back foot so long at home. If they battered us and raped us, i would be tearing in to the players for rolling over and letting them do that but they didn’t, they took the early goal on the chin and went in seek of an equaliser, then a winner.

 

 

No we didn't, utter shite.  We were second to everything, and the amount of second balls they picked up where we were nowhere to be seen was criminal.  You must not have watched the same game as there was no way we took contol after 10 minutes!  you my friend are an absolute barn pot.

 

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[BrettNUFC]

No we didn't, utter s****.  We were second to everything, and the amount of second balls they picked up where we were nowhere to be seen was criminal.  You must not have watched the same game as there was no way we took contol after 10 minutes!  you my friend are an absolute barn pot.

Sorry, yeah Sunderland battered and raped us for the full 90, they deserved their win and we are worse than them and we will get relegated again, barn pot 

[Ikon]

Looks like Poyet

[Guest neesy111]

barn pot

[AyeDubbleYoo]

We were in control of the game, that's some of the biggest load of crap I've heard on this forum.  I can't remember a single chance we created 1st half.

 

First half we couldn't get to grips with the game at all, I still think we looked the more likely to win it in the second.

[Guest reefatoon]

No we didn't, utter s****.  We were second to everything, and the amount of second balls they picked up where we were nowhere to be seen was criminal.  You must not have watched the same game as there was no way we took contol after 10 minutes!  you my friend are an absolute barn pot.

Sorry, yeah Sunderland battered and raped us for the full 90, they deserved their win and we are worse than them and we will get relegated again, barn pot 

 

Sorry fella, you might think of yourself as some really positive upbeat fan, that can see good in any situation . . . . But to the rest of the living world you just come across as a complete demented mentalist.  Your grasp on the game of football is so staggering it's untrue.  There was nothing to take from that game on Sunday at all.  We were never "in control" of that shite match at all, we did not pass it around well, we did not create chances of any kind of note.  Now stop being so fucking weird and scaring the fuck out of the younger posters you loon.

[BrettNUFC]

We were in control of the game, that's some of the biggest load of crap I've heard on this forum.

 

You sober yet?

[Zippity]

The fact that we didn't fold in the second half against Liverpool surprised almost all of us, I'd imagine; but that sort of performance was a massive exception to the 'norm' that we've witnessed for months and months. The games where we've played with the level of passion we should see every week (doubly so against the mackems) stand out because they're so few and far between.

 

But it was only the game before that where we didn't fold either against Cardiff and showed were would stand up and fight for the points if needed. Then game before that against Everton, I’m sure people expected it to be 5 or 6 after the first 45 yet there we were looking for an equaliser to make it 3-3 in the closing minutes. The group hasn’t showed like they don’t care or aren’t motivated in recent weeks and I don’t believe that was the case on Sunday, we just lacked ideas on how to break Sunderland down and that’s Pardew’s fault.

 

Aye, but you could equally point to the games against West Ham and Fulham and say that if they'd had a decent striker each they'd have won those games-point being that most games or groups of games contain both good and bad. Imo, the overriding trend is towards 'bad'.

 

I say 'bad', I mean 'shite', really. We'll have to agree to disagree cos I'm fecking sick of Pardew and the way we've been playing for a season and a quarter now.

[colinmk]

To say we were in control of the game after 10 minutes, after any minutes is just utter, utter bollocks. It's new levels of creativity though, I'll give yous that.

[Guest reefatoon]

We were in control of the game, that's some of the biggest load of crap I've heard on this forum.  I can't remember a single chance we created 1st half.

 

First half we couldn't get to grips with the game at all, I still think we looked the more likely to win it in the second.

 

Did we though Ian? We huffed and puffed a bit, but we never threatened the goal at all, to me we didn't look like winning because we created fuck all, and you need to create to score goals.

[BrettNUFC]

No we didn't, utter s****.  We were second to everything, and the amount of second balls they picked up where we were nowhere to be seen was criminal.  You must not have watched the same game as there was no way we took contol after 10 minutes!  you my friend are an absolute barn pot.

Sorry, yeah Sunderland battered and raped us for the full 90, they deserved their win and we are worse than them and we will get relegated again, barn pot 

 

Sorry fella, you might think of yourself as some really positive upbeat fan, that can see good in any situation . . . . But to the rest of the living world you just come across as a complete demented mentalist.  Your grasp on the game of football is so staggering it's untrue.  There was nothing to take from that game on Sunday at all.  We were never "in control" of that s**** match at all, we did not pass it around well, we did not create chances of any kind of note.  Now stop being so f***ing weird and scaring the f*** out of the younger posters you loon.

 

I though a draw was a fair result, so i'm a barn pot and my grasp of the game is staggering. Honestly man, some people act like we got an absolute hiding on Sunday when it was far from the case.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

We were in control of the game, that's some of the biggest load of crap I've heard on this forum.  I can't remember a single chance we created 1st half.

 

First half we couldn't get to grips with the game at all, I still think we looked the more likely to win it in the second.

 

Did we though Ian? We huffed and puffed a bit, but we never threatened the goal at all, to me we didn't look like winning because we created fuck all, and you need to create to score goals.

 

We would maybe have been slightly lucky to actually win it, but we were definitely the better team IMO. A draw would probably have been the fairest result overall.

[Guest neesy111]

We were in control of the game, that's some of the biggest load of crap I've heard on this forum.

 

You sober yet?

 

You got your marbles back?

[Happy Face]

I think the animosity to numbers and pictures on here is getting silly.  When SSN hoy up a manager's WLD record on screen, which they do following EVERY sacking, do the readers on N-O blanket them with emails about "lies, damn lies and statistics"? 

 

It's nowt more than a topic for discussion recognised globally as an interesting measure of how a manager did in his time.

 

The corner stat is fucking atrocious and warrants discussion.  Last season, being the team that hit more long balls than anyone else warranted discussion. 

 

The data on Alan Pardew's Newcastle isn't big enough to make ANY categoric claims whatsoever, but no-one's claiming something like Pardew reversing the number of long balls so this season we've hit less than 90% of the leagues teams makes him in any way a competent manager.  It's just another interesting tidbit that clearly says something about a change in his and the teams methods.  No-one (maybe CT?) thinks Marveaux should start because he got most assists last season, or that it should make him a big transfer target from other teams applying the moneyball approach.  But it is something to note as interesting.  To me at least.

 

It warrants discussion, or if not discussion, then at least a mention.

 

Generating discussion is surely what a forum is about, especially (for example) if a poster claims Pardew is still being a hoofball merchant.

 

He's on his 5th album now and still knocking out 2 trackers. Where the fuck is the concept album?!!

 

He's never been capable of it in any job he's ever had.

 

Ashley doesn't want a concept album though, He wants one of them £2.99 90's compilations you get by the tills in Morrisons.

 

It's like going to Sports Direct and complaining that they don't have any Gucci suits for sale and should sack the store manager for not stocking them.

[Zippity]

We were in control of the game, that's some of the biggest load of crap I've heard on this forum.  I can't remember a single chance we created 1st half.

 

First half we couldn't get to grips with the game at all, I still think we looked the more likely to win it in the second.

 

Did we though Ian? We huffed and puffed a bit, but we never threatened the goal at all, to me we didn't look like winning because we created f*** all, and you need to create to score goals.

 

We rarely do create anything because we never get any f.ucker in the box-again, down to Pardew being too scared to commit players forward in case we lose possession and concede on the break. How many times in any game do you see us flooding the box? Feck's sake-even a little trickle into the box would do, man.

[Guest neesy111]

Both teams actually looked better after we scored, but we still created absolute zilch apart from punts from 20/30 yards out.

[BrettNUFC]

We were in control of the game, that's some of the biggest load of crap I've heard on this forum.  I can't remember a single chance we created 1st half.

 

First half we couldn't get to grips with the game at all, I still think we looked the more likely to win it in the second.

 

Did we though Ian? We huffed and puffed a bit, but we never threatened the goal at all, to me we didn't look like winning because we created f*** all, and you need to create to score goals.

 

We would maybe have been slightly lucky to actually win it, but we were definitely the better team IMO. A draw would probably have been the fairest result overall.

 

FINALLY!!! HALLELUJAH!! 

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

I think the animosity to numbers and pictures on here is getting silly.  When SSN hoy up a manager's WLD record on screen, which they do following EVERY sacking, do the readers on N-O blanket them with emails about "lies, damn lies and statistics"? 

 

It's nowt more than a topic for discussion recognised globally as an interesting measure of how a manager did in his time.

 

The corner stat is f***ing atrocious and warrants discussion.  Last season, being the team that hit more long balls than anyone else warranted discussion. 

 

The data on Alan Pardew's Newcastle isn't big enough to make ANY categoric claims whatsoever, but no-one's claiming something like Pardew reversing the number of long balls so this season we've hit less than 90% of the leagues teams makes him in any way a competent manager.  It's just another interesting tidbit that clearly says something about a change in his and the teams methods.  No-one (maybe CT?) thinks Marveaux should start because he got most assists last season, or that it should make him a big transfer target from other teams applying the moneyball approach.  But it is something to note as interesting.  To me at least.

 

It warrants discussion, or if not discussion, then at least a mention.

 

Generating discussion is surely what a forum is about, especially (for example) if a poster claims Pardew is still being a hoofball merchant.

 

He's on his 5th album now and still knocking out 2 trackers. Where the f*** is the concept album?!!

 

He's never been capable of it in any job he's ever had.

 

Ashley doesn't want a concept album though, He wants one of them £2.99 90's compilations you get by the tills in Morrisons.

 

It's like going to Sports Direct and complaining that they don't have any Gucci suits for sale and should sack the store manager for not stocking them.

 

Is Pardew the store manager? Woeful analogy if so.

[Guest reefatoon]

No we didn't, utter s****.  We were second to everything, and the amount of second balls they picked up where we were nowhere to be seen was criminal.  You must not have watched the same game as there was no way we took contol after 10 minutes!  you my friend are an absolute barn pot.

Sorry, yeah Sunderland battered and raped us for the full 90, they deserved their win and we are worse than them and we will get relegated again, barn pot 

 

Sorry fella, you might think of yourself as some really positive upbeat fan, that can see good in any situation . . . . But to the rest of the living world you just come across as a complete demented mentalist.  Your grasp on the game of football is so staggering it's untrue.  There was nothing to take from that game on Sunday at all.  We were never "in control" of that s**** match at all, we did not pass it around well, we did not create chances of any kind of note.  Now stop being so f***ing weird and scaring the f*** out of the younger posters you loon.

 

I though a draw was a fair result, so i'm a barn pot and my grasp of the game is staggering. Honestly man, some people act like we got an absolute hiding on Sunday when it was far from the case.

 

Yet we couldn't even manage that, even though in your tumbleweed addled mind we were in control from 10 minutes.  If that was the case then the manager and the players deserve all the stick they are getting.

[brummie]

Controversially, I thought you were the better team and deserved to win it.

 

Sunderland were all huff and puff and impressively closing the ball down, but once they started to get tired, I thought you looked significantly better than them.

 

They might have looked stronger in some sense in that first half, but football is played over two halves, not one, and there was no way they were going to keep up that effort for 90 minutes.

 

The fact that you managed to fashion no points out of that is a bit perplexing, to be honest. Although, in mitigation, you were beaten by a cracking shot. That sort of thing doesn't happen every week.

 

I don't know about the throwing points away thing, mind, maybe that happens more often than you'd like.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Controversially, I thought you were the better team and deserved to win it.

 

Sunderland were all huff and puff and impressively closing the ball down, but once they started to get tired, I thought you looked significantly better than them.

 

They might have looked stronger in some sense in that first half, but football is played over two halves, not one, and there was no way they were going to keep up that effort for 90 minutes.

 

The fact that you managed to fashion no points out of that is a bit perplexing, to be honest. Although, in mitigation, you were beaten by a cracking shot. That sort of thing doesn't happen every week.

 

I don't know about the throwing points away thing, mind, maybe that happens more often than you'd like.

 

I agree with this assessment basically, it's always quite hard to decide who 'deserves' to win a game of football. What you can say is we were beaten by a cracking goal when we were on top. I would have taken a draw on the basis that we didn't create much and they dominated the first half hour.