The College Dropout Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Wullie is bang on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Why should you protect the lower league attendances though? Is this a serious question? England has a football structure far deeper than any in world football and it should be kept that way as much as possible. If "moving with the times" means getting more money into the hands of the Premier League clubs and less to the hundreds of others down the pyramid, then I'll stick to being a dinosaur. I agree completely. I love going to non-league and do so even though I could stay home and watch a match on the TV instead, but others aren't so easily convinced. I'd hate to see it change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I'm happy enough with a blackout on all NUFC games for the rest of Ashley's tenure, tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 It should be mandatory that the extra money gained from televised 3pm games goes towards reduced ticket prices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 So many on here complain about the "nanny state", yet most are in favour of keeping the ridiculous ban on showing football on TV. It's not a "ban" though is it, there's more football on TV now than at any time in history. It's a rule which is there to help maintain the proud structure of English football. It's like complaining that you can't see the new Star Wars movie on TV from the day of release - "I should be able to watch what I want, when I want, so why is there this ridiculous ban on new movies being televised immediately?" - well because without such a rule, the whole cinema industry collapses. There are ways to distribute the TV money down to the lower leagues if you want to protect the wages of lower league clubs, though I do realise that the greedy PL won't like to share the wealth. The money isn't what's important to lower/non league clubs, it's people turning up on a Saturday afternoon. I love going to non-league and do so even though I could stay home and watch a match on the TV instead, but others aren't so easily convinced. I'd hate to see it change. Indeed, especially kids. You wouldn't immediately see a massive change in attendances if the rule was reversed tomorrow but over time as kids grow up used to top flight football freely available instead of watching their local side, the effect would be enormous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest palnese Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Cazorla oot for 3 months Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I'm not so sure everyone who goes and watches their local non Premier League club or even Premier League club will suddenly all stop going so they can watch Stoke vs Newcastle at 3pm on a Saturday afternoon at home or in the pub, or some other fixture. As for non league supporters, they are the loyalist of loyal and from past experience of watching Gateshead games home and away, a good number go because they are disenfranchised supporters in general or because their respective clubs are like one big family. Look at Gateshead, most of their crowd are former Newcastle season ticket holders or bairns/students. They still go even when NUFC are on TV. It will impact some clubs and attendances, but not in a major way. There is already a massive culture of TV footy fans in England, young lads or older blokes whose whole weekends revolves around not going to the actual match, but watching it on the box either at home or in the pub. I'm actually all for every Toon game being televised because I feel the likes of AO would have more chance or championing a huge boycott of matches. Spurs at home was televised. If that wasn't a televised game, I don't think it would have been half as successful as it was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Like Wullie says - give it 20 years and the change will be massive. If you live in the area you could watch Gateshead and still watch the live football on the same day. SMH @ Arsenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Like Wullie says - give it 20 years and the change will be massive. If you live in the area you could watch Gateshead and still watch the live football on the same day. SMH @ Arsenal. I don't think it would change massively. People who can afford to will always want to go and watch their team live in person. For every fan that says fuck it I'll just watch my team on telly I'm sure there would be another fan willing to take his or her seat at the stadium. Its how its all managed to be honest. To encourage attendances remain high at lower league clubs I'd like to see more of the TV revenue shared out evenly on the provision that lower league clubs slash their ticket prices. £40 odd quid to watch Leeds in the Championship? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I'm pretty sure a lot of people who are going to lower league games could quite easily watch a 3PM Premier League match at a pub if they were so inclined. I think the lower league damage train left the station about 20 years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Those people aren't the future of the game. There isn't enough upswing to offset the risks. Pretty sure attendances dip for live games for smaller clubs anyway in league games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I'm pretty sure a lot of people who are going to lower league games could quite easily watch a 3PM Premier League match at a pub if they were so inclined. I think the lower league damage train left the station about 20 years ago. How many pubs show 3PM PL games? How many clubs show 3PM football league games? None of which are the same as your living room. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I'm pretty sure a lot of people who are going to lower league games could quite easily watch a 3PM Premier League match at a pub if they were so inclined. I think the lower league damage train left the station about 20 years ago. How many pubs show 3PM PL games? How many clubs show 3PM football league games? None of which are the same as your living room. They're not the same as your living room but they're a damn sight easier/more comfortable than a lower league football stadium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Why should you protect the lower league attendances though? Is this a serious question? England has a football structure far deeper than any in world football and it should be kept that way as much as possible. If "moving with the times" means getting more money into the hands of the Premier League clubs and less to the hundreds of others down the pyramid, then I'll stick to being a dinosaur. Spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Like Wullie says - give it 20 years and the change will be massive. If you live in the area you could watch Gateshead and still watch the live football on the same day. SMH @ Arsenal. I don't think it would change massively. People who can afford to will always want to go and watch their team live in person. For every fan that says fuck it I'll just watch my team on telly I'm sure there would be another fan willing to take his or her seat at the stadium. Its how its all managed to be honest. To encourage attendances remain high at lower league clubs I'd like to see more of the TV revenue shared out evenly on the provision that lower league clubs slash their ticket prices. £40 odd quid to watch Leeds in the Championship? I obviously disagree but on the flipside, who would the benefit be to? Premier League clubs? TV companies? People who aren't prepared to pay for football where it is intended to be paid for, i.e. in the ground? Not sure I'm particularly interested in seeing any of those benefit at the expense of the football pyramid. One child opting to watch Man Utd on TV instead of Gateshead is one too many. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 People who want to watch football? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I'm pretty sure a lot of people who are going to lower league games could quite easily watch a 3PM Premier League match at a pub if they were so inclined. I think the lower league damage train left the station about 20 years ago. Aye, exactly. It's not a valid argument any more, and it will become even less and less valid as more other options becomes available to more people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 People who want to watch football? They know where the/a ground is. If you want to see a concert, buy a ticket. If you want to see a film, buy a ticket. Why should football be any different? Not everything needs beaming into living rooms for the benefit of the lazy and the spoilt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 People who want to watch football? They know where the/a ground is. If you want to see a concert, buy a ticket. If you want to see a film, buy a ticket. Why should football be any different? Not everything needs beaming into living rooms for the benefit of the lazy and the spoilt. You should be able to follow your team however you want it. Loads of people can't make it to the game be it for financial or other reasons, give them the option of watching it at home, surely? Any fan knows that it's better to watch the game live than on TV, but it's simply not an option for everyone, especially for away games. I wouldn't go and watch another football game that I have no interest in just because my team isn't televised. Using your concert example, if I couldn't make it to a concert, say it was sold out, I wouldn't go and buy a ticket for some other band that I don't like just because I wanted to go to a concert. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 People who want to watch football? They know where the/a ground is. If you want to see a concert, buy a ticket. If you want to see a film, buy a ticket. Why should football be any different? Not everything needs beaming into living rooms for the benefit of the lazy and the spoilt. your comparison is really really terrible given the way in which the vast majority of music is enjoyed. Nowt to do with lazy or spoilt anyway, it's about enjoying a sport and/or a team, and wanting to be able to watch it, without the massive restrictions involved in actually attending a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 reckon every game will be available on some sort of pay per game basis before long any way. regardless of kick off time. edit- I mean i know it is now- when you can be bothered to fuck on most of the game keeping it on but some legit sky type set up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Why should you protect the lower league attendances though? Is this a serious question? England has a football structure far deeper than any in world football and it should be kept that way as much as possible. If "moving with the times" means getting more money into the hands of the Premier League clubs and less to the hundreds of others down the pyramid, then I'll stick to being a dinosaur. Spot on. Further moves to have the populace masturbating over the country's top 6 clubs is the exact opposite of what is needed. We can't whinge about a lack of parity and support shite like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 People who want to watch football? They know where the/a ground is. If you want to see a concert, buy a ticket. If you want to see a film, buy a ticket. Why should football be any different? Not everything needs beaming into living rooms for the benefit of the lazy and the spoilt. You should be able to follow your team however you want it. Loads of people can't make it to the game be it for financial or other reasons, give them the option of watching it at home, surely? Any fan knows that it's better to watch the game live than on TV, but it's simply not an option for everyone, especially for away games. I wouldn't go and watch another football game that I have no interest in just because my team isn't televised. Using your concert example, if I couldn't make it to a concert, say it was sold out, I wouldn't go and buy a ticket for some other band that I don't like just because I wanted to go to a concert. This would only allow you to follow your team as you wish if they happen to be a 'top' team. You'll find when Newcastle are away/not on the box many, myself included, will go watch Heed, Blyth, Shields whoever. This would have a massively negative affect on such clubs, purely to increase the legions of EPL armchair fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 People who want to watch football? They know where the/a ground is. If you want to see a concert, buy a ticket. If you want to see a film, buy a ticket. Why should football be any different? Not everything needs beaming into living rooms for the benefit of the lazy and the spoilt. You should be able to follow your team however you want it. Loads of people can't make it to the game be it for financial or other reasons, give them the option of watching it at home, surely? Any fan knows that it's better to watch the game live than on TV, but it's simply not an option for everyone, especially for away games. I wouldn't go and watch another football game that I have no interest in just because my team isn't televised. Using your concert example, if I couldn't make it to a concert, say it was sold out, I wouldn't go and buy a ticket for some other band that I don't like just because I wanted to go to a concert. This would only allow you to follow your team as you wish if they happen to be a 'top' team. You'll find when Newcastle are away/not on the box many, myself included, will go watch Heed, Blyth, Shields whoever. This would have a massively negative affect on such clubs, purely to increase the legions of EPL armchair fans. what about kicking off non league games at 1pm, so people can do both- probs would increase the crowds . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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