Guest firetotheworks Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 I'm not at all for letting the individual just decide like. As long as people make the decision for the right reasons, they identify with the country for whatever reason, then I don't think anything else matters. The feelings of the individual are everything. The problem is that we need to stop, for example, Qatar assembling a team of foreigners because they pay the most, or people picking a country because they're better. That's hard to solve. Nah, you can't exactly account for someone's feelings and everyone can lie. Imo it should be either your genetics, or your cultural upbringing up to a limit of (imo) age 15. You move from Brazil to Spain at the age of 16? Tough, you're Brazilian. Otherwise it's too difficult to tell and people can and will lie about the country that they have a 'feeling' for. EDIT: I should also add that I'm only really talking with the context of the country that you represent in sport. Otherwise it renders the reason for competition pointless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Without that it renders the entire competition totally pointless. I don't think you should be able to adopt a culture in your adult life and deny your genetics and the culture that you've grown up in for over 20 years, even if it feels wrong, or unfair, or if you want to forget all about it. Within society I wouldn't question it, but when it comes to representing a country in sport, it really does imo. I can totally dig that. I don't believe in nationalism at all, except when it comes to sport. Let's have one big melting pot in the "real world" but, if I had my way, people like Josip Simunic, Ante Seric and Joey Didiluca (who were born in Australia, played junior and professional football in Australia and received taxpayers money to help them become better footballers) who then played for Croatia should be executed for treason. Or at least have their Australian passports revoked Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 I think KI's suggestion about limiting the age that you can 'adopt' a country is the closest we'll get to a rule that works. The 5-year thing is fine, but it should have to be 5 years before a certain age. Maybe 18, to give leeway to people who move countries in their early teens. But then you have the complication of players who have a passport for their new country but can't represent them in football. Guess no rule will be perfect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Those three players had a Croatian passport thanks to their parents/grandparents, and FIFA rules say there's nothing wrong with what they did. Fine, it's legal, and I'm sure they were proud to represent their daddy's or granddaddy's country but, seriously, fuck them all. Totally different to the Diego Costa case, but I'm mad as hell and sounding off EDIT: There used to be rules related to nationality and junior representation - but these were relaxed and players like Tim Cahill and Frederic Kanoute benefited. So FIFA has gone the other way... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Those three players had a Croatian passport thanks to their parents/grandparents, and FIFA rules say there's nothing wrong with what they did. Fine, it's legal, and I'm sure they were proud to represent their daddy's or granddaddy's country but, seriously, fuck them all. Totally different to the Diego Costa case, but I'm mad as hell and sounding off EDIT: There used to be rules related to nationality and junior representation - but these were relaxed and players like Tim Cahill and Frederic Kanoute benefited. So FIFA has gone the other way... It's a free for all now, they even got rid of U-21 and full friendly caps locking you which had been in place for years. Since then there's been a spate of older players switching countries in their twilight years after being unable to previously (Shola as an example). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Any cap after age (say) 18 should lock you in IMO, even in friendlies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Unless you've moved for safety/asylum reasons I think any cap from under 17 level upwards should lock you in to that country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Is this a Giggs? http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/students-stop-traffic-newcastle-manchester-6195362 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 "It eventually stopped and we went off to the 24-hour McDonalds..." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 The Diego Costa thing is complete bollocks tbh. When he played that friendly for Brazil and said I'm Brazilian and feel Brazilian.... a couple of months later he says he feels Spanish and wants to play for Spain. Its straight glory hunting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Its straight glory hunting. Going from Brazil to Spain, it's hardly like going from San Marino to Germany. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Is this a Giggs? http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/students-stop-traffic-newcastle-manchester-6195362 tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Nationality is also about identity and where you feel you belong. There are some cases whereby a player should be allowed to play for a different country than where he was born, and some cases where they shouldn't be allowed. Hard to generalise and say let's cut it out entirely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Hitzfeld to retire after World Cup. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24565655 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Hitzfeld to retire after World Cup. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24565655 We should start a campaign to get him here for one last job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Just let him retire and enjoy his golf man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 http://hereisthecity.com/2013/10/16/former-newcastle-united-striker-invited-to-become-a-porn-star/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Was hoping it'd be Ba. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Is this a Giggs? http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/students-stop-traffic-newcastle-manchester-6195362 Ugh what a bunch of absolute knobs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 A plethora of spunk monkeys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 It is absolutely fucking shite like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Ugh what a bunch of absolute knobs. A plethora of spunk monkeys. It is absolutely f***ing s**** like. http://i.imgur.com/IRvNeed.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Loads of wankers did it at Benicassim as well. Had loads of random lasses off their tits on MDMA singing the Toure song. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summerof69 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 A rugby team in varsity, Durham were doing it aswell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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