madras Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 it looks like it's going to be a death by a thousand cuts. the percentage of revenue created by the fans gets less every season (more coming from TV, sponsorship and corporate stuff) so for those that stop away there will probably be enough assets to sell to make up the shortfall. the main worry is that there isn't a sniff of someone willing to take over so don't think for a second that purely getting rid of ashley will change things as even if he wanted out it might not happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Lee Ryder @lee_ryder 17m Had contact with AP who says: "I'm staying" more in today's @EveningChron #nufc Retweeted by NUFCfans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 A typically perceptive piece by Henry Winter in today's Telegraph: Even SportsDirect’s annual report trumpets Ashley’s business as the “consumers’ champion”. So why such current disregard for the customers and consumers otherwise known as Newcastle supporters? Ashley’s appointment of Joe Kinnear as director of football on a three-year contract has been greeted with inevitable dismay by the majority of them. Their anger understandably intensified when Kinnear made derogatory remarks about them, questioning their intelligence in a radio interview. A SportsDirect employee showing such a lack of respect to customers would not last long. Since it emerged that Kinnear was returning to St James’ Park, the spotlight has primarily shone on the ebullient, often foul-mouthed, always opinionated Dubliner with the gift of the gaffe. After four years out of the game, Kinnear was hardly going to turn down the opportunity of such an influential role at such a prominent club. Three years’ money? Thank you very much. It is pointless blaming Kinnear. The real question is why Ashley has rolled this 66-year-old human hand grenade through St James’ Park (unless it is an elaborate plan to try the patience of Alan Pardew to the point where the manager walks). Ashley knows that Newcastle fans themselves will not walk away, that they are not like SportsDirect customers who can switch to another store if the service or goods are poor. Newcastle fans are loyal. St James’ Park dominates the city landscape figuratively and emotionally. Season‑tickets are a laminated show of faith. Deciding not to renew is a huge and painful step. Ashley understands that. So why push some towards considering cutting bonds made at birth? At the very least, some fans may simply record their dissent by limiting expenditure at the club shop, at the catering outlets, affecting Ashley’s profits. Ashley is a brilliant businessman, an entrepreneur who incentivises his SportsDirect workforce to deliver impressive returns. I have only ever had five minutes in his company but even during that fleeting period it was impossible not to admire his sharp analytical mind. He took a couple of the footballing issues of the day, dismantled them and then put them back together, suggesting possible solutions. So his alienating of Newcastle fans defies the logic he applies to his working life. So where to go from here? First, Ashley needs to remind Kinnear of some of the principles that make SportsDirect so successful. The new director of football has to show more respect to fans, staff and players. Creative tension may work in rock bands and theatrical troupes but teams and clubs need unity. Togetherness was one of the key ingredients of Wimbledon under Kinnear in the Nineties. There were some feisty characters in the dressing-room but they usually stood shoulder to shoulder when it counted, when the opposition threatened most. At Wimbledon, some of the players would talk positively about Kinnear’s man-management qualities, the way he challenged them to do better. Marcus Gayle improved under Kinnear’s constant coaxing. When Gayle suffered a dip in form for the then Premier League side, Kinnear would shout: “Do you want to go back to where you come from?” Back to the third tier. If Ashley’s gamble is to pay off, he needs Kinnear to appreciate that the game has changed, that motivating modern millionaires requires more subtlety than his Wimbledon rhetoric. Footballers now are far more sensitive than the old Crazy Gang. If Kinnear wants to keep Newcastle’s best players, he cannot refer to Yohan Cabaye as Yohan Kebab. He called Charles N’Zogbia Charles Insomnia in 2009 and the winger left. It is disrespectful. I have interviewed Kinnear down the years and he is a far shrewder individual than the circus act currently filling bulletins and headlines. He must know this aggressive stance is dangerous. Ashley might want Kinnear to shake Newcastle up, avoiding a repeat of last season’s wobble, but not to the extent of civil war. It is hard to imagine Ashley allowing one of his executives to belittle those business reporters who help to shape the image of SportsDirect. Kinnear should urgently rethink his denigrating of what he calls the “snidey press”, who are actually individuals who care about the club and spend their life chronicling its importance to so many. Deliberately fostering a stressful environment is also hardly sensible for somebody who suffered a heart attack in 1999 and underwent heart bypass surgery in 2009. Kinnear should calm down and make some friends in one of the country’s friendliest cities. Ashley also needs to advise Kinnear that his old recruiting grounds, lower leagues and non-League, are not as fertile as before. Newcastle have enjoyed success bringing in players from France. Ashley needs Kinnear to work well with the chief scout, Graham Carr, whose talent-spotting skills are much admired by other chairmen. Newcastle’s statement must have made painful reading for Carr and Pardew, saying they “will report into Joe”. Kinnear is in charge. The new director of football insists he will not pick the team but he’s above the man who does. Pardew has effectively been downgraded to first-team coach, unfair on a decent manager. This is no way to run a club or a business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Good read Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 How can everyone see this, except Ashley? Beyond belief. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 How can everyone see this, except Ashley? Beyond belief. He can see it. That's why he's probably sat at home giggling like the fucking cunt he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Fair point. The question remains 'why?' then. Fucking sick at the minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spark Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 How can everyone see this, except Ashley? Beyond belief. He can see it. That's why he's probably sat at home giggling like the fucking cunt he is. I don't believe that. If we get relegated, then it affects him, too. It makes no sense for him to deliberately fuck with us. He just hasn't got a clue about football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 How can everyone see this, except Ashley? Beyond belief. He can see it. That's why he's probably sat at home giggling like the fucking cunt he is. I don't believe that. If we get relegated, then it affects him, too. It makes no sense for him to deliberately fuck with us. He just hasn't got a clue about football. I'm past the point of 'he's naive'. The man just doesn't give a shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spark Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 How can everyone see this, except Ashley? Beyond belief. He can see it. That's why he's probably sat at home giggling like the fucking cunt he is. I don't believe that. If we get relegated, then it affects him, too. It makes no sense for him to deliberately fuck with us. He just hasn't got a clue about football. I'm past the point of 'he's naive'. The man just doesn't give a shit. Why even bother making any changes then? Why not just let Llambias and Pardew get on with it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 He can't seriously think it's a good decision man can he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Feel like the thread should be, Joe Kinnear: "Water off a duck's arse" might lighten the mood Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 How can everyone see this, except Ashley? Beyond belief. He can see it. That's why he's probably sat at home giggling like the f***ing c*** he is. I don't believe that. If we get relegated, then it affects him, too. It makes no sense for him to deliberately f*** with us. He just hasn't got a clue about football. I'm past the point of 'he's naive'. The man just doesn't give a s***. Why even bother making any changes then? Why not just let Llambias and Pardew get on with it? That would be boring wouldn't it. Jeeeeeeze. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkzter Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 This guy is gonna end up seriously ill again. Why he wants to put himself through it beats me. Already there isn't one fan that wants him here, the press think he is a disgrace, everyone will be on his back at every given chance. Chanting against him, shouting at him, he won't be able to go anywhere without grief. Really dont think he will be here that long, problem is how much damage can be caused while he is here. Reality is we are now no longer the club the fans think we were, the management from top down have no thoughts to the fans whatsoever, we are laughing stock of the league. A once great respectable club basically destroyed by an owner in 5/6 years. Why anyone will ever want to come and work at NUFC in any position is beyond me, its so sad. The club is a huge part of my life other than not going there is absolutely nothing I can do to help, its totally sickening but has been for some time now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I am sure someone raised the point at some point over the last couple of days but does Joe Kinnear not have any friends or family advising him. I can't believe he has a wife, children, friends etc that are encouraging him to get involved in NUFC. Even ex pro's from the game. They must surely be telling him that this is a terrible situation to get invovled in, especially given the condition of his health. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 they're probably pushing him into it, sick of hearing how he invented the race horse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I am sure someone raised the point at some point over the last couple of days but does Joe Kinnear not have any friends or family advising him. I can't believe he has a wife, children, friends etc that are encouraging him to get involved in NUFC. Even ex pro's from the game. They must surely be telling him that this is a terrible situation to get invovled in, especially given the condition of his health. They hate the cunt n'all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montey Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I think Ashley has seen how much money the Kardashians are making from their reality TV show. Next week, NUFC will announce an ITV deal for the creation of a new reality TV series called United&Divided. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I am sure someone raised the point at some point over the last couple of days but does Joe Kinnear not have any friends or family advising him. I can't believe he has a wife, children, friends etc that are encouraging him to get involved in NUFC. Even ex pro's from the game. They must surely be telling him that this is a terrible situation to get invovled in, especially given the condition of his health. They hate the c*** n'all. Reading the oliver holt article...his son died of cancer in the last couple of years...he might need work to take his mind off things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I am sure someone raised the point at some point over the last couple of days but does Joe Kinnear not have any friends or family advising him. I can't believe he has a wife, children, friends etc that are encouraging him to get involved in NUFC. Even ex pro's from the game. They must surely be telling him that this is a terrible situation to get invovled in, especially given the condition of his health. They hate the c*** n'all. Reading the oliver holt article...his son died of cancer in the last couple of years...he might need work to take his mind off things. Just read that article now, probably the best one I've seen since this whole thing kicked off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 See Bill Bradshaw (The Hunter as he calls himself on there) has even taken to starting threads on RTG about this. Reckons his information is that it's "mayhem". Great thread Bill, insightful stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Moody Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 http://www.teamtalk.com/video/18112/8783683/Harper-Kinnear-appointment-makes-sense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SweMatt Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Meanwhile, at White Hart Lane: http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/8783203/Franco-Baldini-joins-Tottenham-staff-as-technical-director Sorry if Giggs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 http://www.teamtalk.com/video/18112/8783683/Harper-Kinnear-appointment-makes-sense He's just saying that. iirc he said something negative about it originally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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