Unbelievable Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 It's still quite a precarious position, relying on player sales to turn a profit. It's very unpredictable. I guess the new TV deal will make things a bit more comfortable. You make it sound like to make a profit should be our objective, like any other business'? Nah, I've said before that any money we make should be invested. I meant it terms of attracting a buyer, will the financial situation ever be good enough to attract anyone except someone prepared to sink millions into the club every year? Fair enough. I happen to think ownership of a football club does not represent a good investment in financial terms, certainly if you take into account the criticism you are likely to receive because you hold stewardship of something many people hold dear. I can get behind an owner who makes it clear the club must live within its means, but who galvanizes the entire organisation to be the best it possibly can, even if that includes selling its best players when their stock is high, as long as (as you say) any money the club makes is reinvested and appointments (staff and players) show an ambition/desire to improve over time. The alternative, a sugar daddy willing to take on Chelsea and Manchester City is highly unlikely, so not really worth contemplating. So, whilst Ashley's basic approach in itself isn't far off, his actual implementation of the plan is disastrous, and raises the question if the plan as communicated is actually the plan that is being worked towards. The best we can hope for is he loses interest and decides to cut his losses, or he refinds his enthousiasm and starts practicing as he (or his directors) preaches. At this point, I won't be holding my breath until either scenario happens, sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 It's still quite a precarious position, relying on player sales to turn a profit. It's very unpredictable. I guess the new TV deal will make things a bit more comfortable. You make it sound like to make a profit should be our objective, like any other business'? Nah, I've said before that any money we make should be invested. I meant it terms of attracting a buyer, will the financial situation ever be good enough to attract anyone except someone prepared to sink millions into the club every year? Fair enough. I happen to think ownership of a football club does not represent a good investment in financial terms, certainly if you take into account the criticism you are likely to receive because you hold stewardship of something many people hold dear. I can get behind an owner who makes it clear the club must live within its means, but who galvanizes the entire organisation to be the best it possibly can, even if that includes selling its best players when their stock is high, as long as (as you say) any money the club makes is reinvested and appointments (staff and players) show an ambition/desire to improve over time. The alternative, a sugar daddy willing to take on Chelsea and Manchester City is highly unlikely, so not really worth contemplating. So, whilst Ashley's basic approach in itself isn't far off, his actual implementation of the plan is disastrous, and raises the question if the plan as communicated is actually the plan that is being worked towards. The best we can hope for is he loses interest and decides to cut his losses, or he refinds his enthousiasm and starts practicing as he (or his directors) preaches. At this point, I won't be holding my breath until either scenario happens, sadly. Spot on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 It's still quite a precarious position, relying on player sales to turn a profit. It's very unpredictable. I guess the new TV deal will make things a bit more comfortable. You make it sound like to make a profit should be our objective, like any other business'? Nah, I've said before that any money we make should be invested. I meant it terms of attracting a buyer, will the financial situation ever be good enough to attract anyone except someone prepared to sink millions into the club every year? Fair enough. I happen to think ownership of a football club does not represent a good investment in financial terms, certainly if you take into account the criticism you are likely to receive because you hold stewardship of something many people hold dear. I can get behind an owner who makes it clear the club must live within its means, but who galvanizes the entire organisation to be the best it possibly can, even if that includes selling its best players when their stock is high, as long as (as you say) any money the club makes is reinvested and appointments (staff and players) show an ambition/desire to improve over time. The alternative, a sugar daddy willing to take on Chelsea and Manchester City is highly unlikely, so not really worth contemplating. So, whilst Ashley's basic approach in itself isn't far off, his actual implementation of the plan is disastrous, and raises the question if the plan as communicated is actually the plan that is being worked towards. The best we can hope for is he loses interest and decides to cut his losses, or he refinds his enthousiasm and starts practicing as he (or his directors) preaches. At this point, I won't be holding my breath until either scenario happens, sadly. Good post, nothing to disagree with there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 John Henry's in L'pool for the moolah. But he understands he must get them into the CL and build a new stadium to maximise their value and profitibality. Ashley's looked at us and said... avoid relegation and we'll get great advertising and a little profitable machine going. We can even go to Scotland and flog some more Donnay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Still sitting on the fence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 A lot of good work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Quietly dignified, that's Pards for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Or just a terrified little doormouse, scared to say boo to a goose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Gave away the game a bit saying it was a board decision instead of him choosing to go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Gave away the game a bit saying it was a board decision instead of him choosing to go that's Pards, always passing the blame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Quietly dignified, that's Pards for you. that's Pards, always passing the blame. What a fucking nightmare, man. I'm okay with the odd thing polarising opinion but it's infuriating when it's every single little thing. This isn't an obvious example but it is an example. No one has a fucking clue what's going on; the only thing people know for certain is that something isn't right. It isn't fair at all. What a fucking pisstake. I hate the bastards. If they'd just release a fucking explanation every now and again. Give us something to go on instead of driving us all mad with theories, speculation and cynicism. Has this club ever had worse PR in its existence? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 I was joking FWIW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 It's still quite a precarious position, relying on player sales to turn a profit. It's very unpredictable. I guess the new TV deal will make things a bit more comfortable. You make it sound like to make a profit should be our objective, like any other business'? Nah, I've said before that any money we make should be invested. I meant it terms of attracting a buyer, will the financial situation ever be good enough to attract anyone except someone prepared to sink millions into the club every year? Fair enough. I happen to think ownership of a football club does not represent a good investment in financial terms, certainly if you take into account the criticism you are likely to receive because you hold stewardship of something many people hold dear. I can get behind an owner who makes it clear the club must live within its means, but who galvanizes the entire organisation to be the best it possibly can, even if that includes selling its best players when their stock is high, as long as (as you say) any money the club makes is reinvested and appointments (staff and players) show an ambition/desire to improve over time. The alternative, a sugar daddy willing to take on Chelsea and Manchester City is highly unlikely, so not really worth contemplating. So, whilst Ashley's basic approach in itself isn't far off, his actual implementation of the plan is disastrous, and raises the question if the plan as communicated is actually the plan that is being worked towards. The best we can hope for is he loses interest and decides to cut his losses, or he refinds his enthousiasm and starts practicing as he (or his directors) preaches. At this point, I won't be holding my breath until either scenario happens, sadly. That's a brilliant post, btw. Sums up the whole situation perfectly, particularly the last point. You've identified the two extremes there (ie; either make a game of it or sell it)... Ashley's currently in the middle-ground where he doesn't really give a shit either way, providing the money's coming in and the SD marketing is still on the go. All which leaves the entire club in limbo. Our league position matches their level of ambition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Aye, best post for a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 I was joking FWIW. Aye, I thought you might have been, it wasn't a great example by me. But the point stands either way - every single little thing is scrutinised and polarised among the support because the PR is so utterly terrible. It's an absolute insult that Kinnear has come and gone without a solid explanation as to what his actual role at the club was (never mind the fact he was ever here in the first place). We've only ever received wishy-washy soundbites from Pardew, whereby he didn't seem to have a certified idea himself. The PR is just a joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 I was joking FWIW. Aye, I thought you might have been, it wasn't a great example by me. But the point stands either way - every single little thing is scrutinised and polarised among the support because the PR is so utterly terrible. It's an absolute insult that Kinnear has come and gone without a solid explanation as to what his actual role at the club was. We've only ever received wishy-washy soundbites from Pardew, whereby he didn't seem to have a certified idea himself. The PR is just a joke. Yeah totally agree, our entire PR and communications setup is appalling. The website is gash, the box office system is awful, they never comment on anything that matters, it's a farce really. I guess partly the problem when one man controls everything, and maybe also because they don't employ anyone competent to set up a proper department. Even if they just hired an agency it would be much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Miles Starforth @milesstarforth 21s Pardew on Kinnear: 'I'm sad to see anybody lose their job. He did a lot of good work here, but the decision was the board's decision.' #nufc If he was doing a lot of good work, why would they sack him? Pardew just can't help himself, even when he doesn't need to open his trap he spouts shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Lee Ryder @lee_ryder 3m Willie Donachie suspended #nufc DA FUQ What does did he do again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Miles Starforth @milesstarforth 21s Pardew on Kinnear: 'I'm sad to see anybody lose their job. He did a lot of good work here, but the decision was the board's decision.' #nufc If he was doing a lot of good work, why would they sack him? Pardew just can't help himself, even when he doesn't need to open his trap he spouts shit. Presumably he was asked about it by the press. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Miles Starforth @milesstarforth 21s Pardew on Kinnear: 'I'm sad to see anybody lose their job. He did a lot of good work here, but the decision was the board's decision.' #nufc If he was doing a lot of good work, why would they sack him? Pardew just can't help himself, even when he doesn't need to open his trap he spouts shit. Presumably he was asked about it by the press. Did they ask him to lie? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Lee Ryder @lee_ryder 3m Willie Donachie suspended #nufc DA FUQ What does he do again? U21 manager Thanks.. Weird. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Did they ask him to lie? Erm, probably not, no. Usually they want the actual answer. But the actual answer is "he was fucking useless and I'm ecstatic to see the back of him", so I'm not surprised he didn't say that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthiGeordie Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 may be he is the Chronicle source. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Pardew - “He did a lot of good work here, but the decision was the board’s decision.” So confirms that Kinnear was basically sacked then rather than resigning? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Pardew - “He did a lot of good work here, but the decision was the board’s decision.” So confirms that Kinnear was basically sacked then rather than resigning? Seems to, yeah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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