Mole_Toonfan Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Would love to know when I named him as an exciting prospect You're implying that aren't you? I think Mole, Mandoon and Unbelievable have been quite spot on with their opinions. He might get goals, but he doesn't contribute enough in general play to ever succeed in a club like ours unless we change our ways of playing. In the right team he's not a horrible player, but we're so s*** all over we'd need someone that can get involved in general play, which despite Pardew probably believing that because of his height, he doesn't do well. Am I? Have I not stated (several times) that I'm not saying he is going to succeed or not, merely stating he deserves a chance (if signed). I said that if he has the right players around him, he'll score goals - which is evidenced in his goal-scoring record. The only counter arguments is that people think he looks bad, or doesn't contribute etc. etc. He's barely had a bad season as a player, yet people seem to think we could do better. Makes me laugh how everyone slated (and rightly so) Pardew for asking wingers to "contribute" and not just attack, yet this guy just attacks and people moan he doesn't contribute! Do you have trouble reading? people are saying he doesn't contribute to general play, which is important considering how disjointed a team we are. If we were making shit loads of chances every week then fair enough but we don't so it's important that the striker can score out of nothing which he can't. How often he attacks or doesn't attack is irrelevant when he'll never see the ball in the positions he saw it for Wolfsburg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Poll added. It was his fucking question man, it's just boring question. Mole and those guys were answering him without dropping random numbers. I'm just being a dick for lols tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Would love to know when I named him as an exciting prospect You're implying that aren't you? I think Mole, Mandoon and Unbelievable have been quite spot on with their opinions. He might get goals, but he doesn't contribute enough in general play to ever succeed in a club like ours unless we change our ways of playing. In the right team he's not a horrible player, but we're so s*** all over we'd need someone that can get involved in general play, which despite Pardew probably believing that because of his height, he doesn't do well. Am I? Have I not stated (several times) that I'm not saying he is going to succeed or not, merely stating he deserves a chance (if signed). I said that if he has the right players around him, he'll score goals - which is evidenced in his goal-scoring record. The only counter arguments is that people think he looks bad, or doesn't contribute etc. etc. He's barely had a bad season as a player, yet people seem to think we could do better. Makes me laugh how everyone slated (and rightly so) Pardew for asking wingers to "contribute" and not just attack, yet this guy just attacks and people moan he doesn't contribute! Do you have trouble reading? people are saying he doesn't contribute to general play, which is important considering how disjointed a team we are. If we were making s*** loads of chances every week then fair enough but we don't so it's important that the striker can score out of nothing which he can't. How often he attacks or doesn't attack is irrelevant when he'll never see the ball in the positions he saw it for Wolfsburg. If he signs and scores 20 or more goals (in all competitions) next season, you can buy me a pint. If he signs and scores less than 20 goals (in all competitions) next season, I'll buy you a pint. If he doesn't sign, then we'll carry on this discussion next summer about a player in the Slovakian league who we are linked with at that point. Start watching your Slovakian football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Blatantly know Flip voted for himself btw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Blatantly know Flip voted for himself btw Actually didn't. Voted for fuck cares. Poll added. It was his f***ing question man, it's just boring question. Mole and those guys were answering him without dropping random numbers. I'm just being a dick for lols tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I feel like the who gives a fuck option is a cop out. We'll never find out the truth that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Would love to know when I named him as an exciting prospect You're implying that aren't you? I think Mole, Mandoon and Unbelievable have been quite spot on with their opinions. He might get goals, but he doesn't contribute enough in general play to ever succeed in a club like ours unless we change our ways of playing. In the right team he's not a horrible player, but we're so s*** all over we'd need someone that can get involved in general play, which despite Pardew probably believing that because of his height, he doesn't do well. Am I? Have I not stated (several times) that I'm not saying he is going to succeed or not, merely stating he deserves a chance (if signed). I said that if he has the right players around him, he'll score goals - which is evidenced in his goal-scoring record. The only counter arguments is that people think he looks bad, or doesn't contribute etc. etc. He's barely had a bad season as a player, yet people seem to think we could do better. Makes me laugh how everyone slated (and rightly so) Pardew for asking wingers to "contribute" and not just attack, yet this guy just attacks and people moan he doesn't contribute! Do you have trouble reading? people are saying he doesn't contribute to general play, which is important considering how disjointed a team we are. If we were making s*** loads of chances every week then fair enough but we don't so it's important that the striker can score out of nothing which he can't. How often he attacks or doesn't attack is irrelevant when he'll never see the ball in the positions he saw it for Wolfsburg. If he signs and scores 20 or more goals (in all competitions) next season, you can buy me a pint. If he signs and scores less than 20 goals (in all competitions) next season, I'll buy you a pint. If he doesn't sign, then we'll carry on this discussion next summer about a player in the Slovakian league who we are linked with at that point. Start watching your Slovakian football. I really don't care about being right or wrong i'm just saying what i have seen and his suitability for our current team, also comparing the Bundesliga which is on BT every week to the Slovakian league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 No votes, that stings! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Voted Jotenko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antz1uk Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 According to the pole that fibber the prophet hasn't watched him at all, all a bit fishy to me like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Prophet! I might vote for you. Do you have Paypal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Blatantly know Flip voted for himself btw Actually didn't. Voted for f*** cares. Anyone who doesn't is a dickhead tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Doesn't matter whether Bas Dost is crap or not. We're not going to sign him because he will cost the going rate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Prophet! I might vote for you. Do you have Paypal? I'll PM you the details... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 if you look at it logically, why on earth would they be looking to sell this guy who has banged in goals for them, for fairly cheap as well. Dude! They're Wolfsburg, they just qualified for the Champions League, and have players like De Bruyne and Schurrle! They're operating on a different level man. He might not be quite what they're loking for, but damnit, I'll have him okay?! Come on Doon! Stop this nonsense! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Sure if we had signed Sakho last summer peole would have been saying the same types of things. Actually it would have been much worse I'd imagine. How about letting the guy land, and seeing how his game translates here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Sure if we had signed Sakho last summer peole would have been saying the same types of things. Actually it would have been much worse I'd imagine. How about letting the guy land, and seeing how his game translates here This 100x this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Sure if we had signed Sakho last summer peole would have been saying the same types of things. Actually it would have been much worse I'd imagine. How about letting the guy land, and seeing how his game translates here I'd be saying the same if we signed Messi tbf, everything is bad forever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 True, it's absolutely ridiculous for members of a Newcastle United forum to debate the merits of a potential signing, let's just wait and see... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Look, I'm not being negative for negativity's sake here unlike what some people might think. Think about it: why would a Dutch poster on a NUFC board with a history of defending Dutch and Eredivisie players when they have been (in my opinion) undervalued come out and express dismay at the arrival of a possible Dutch number 9 at Newcastle? I would love nothing more than to see a Dutch striker become a hero at this club. I wanted us to sign Dirk Kuyt back when we were supposedly after him. I have no ulterior motive here, I couldn't possible have. I hope we don't sign Bas Dost. That doesn't mean I'm writing him off before he's even kicked a ball for us or will not give him a chance because he's not our player yet, and whilst that is the case I sincerely hope we look elsewhere and aim higher. His record isn't all that bad and I will always defend any Eredvisie striker record against the likes of Ronaldo (the poster) who suggest the league is so weak that any striker could score over 30. That said, he scored 77 goals in 163 competitive games in Holland (one season in Jupiler League, 4 in Eredivisie), or slightly under one in two. Take out his "Pardew 5th place season" anomaly and it drops to in 39 in 124, or slightly under one in three. Wolfsburg shelled out for him when his stock was high (after the anomaly) and at the higher Bundesliga level you would expect a striker with these numbers in Holland to score maybe one in four in a stronger league, which proved to be the case in his first two seasons at Wolsburg (12 in 41 in Bundesliga), where he was a squad player at best despite the fact that they had paid just shy of 10m euros for him. His hot streak earlier this year for Wolfsburg was seriously impressive, but nobody saw it coming (a bit like Papiss Cisse's streak in his first few months here) and I think nobody who closely follows the German league can realistically see him replicating it, not least Wolsburg which explains why they want to cash in on him while his stock is (once again) high. Having said all that, his goalscoring record is not my biggest worry with Bas Dost. It is the fact that he is the type of player that needs the team to be built around him and quite frankly, he is not good enough for that to happen at the top level. Considering our current group of players, there is hardly anybody here at this point in time capable of providing him the service he would require to be even considered half decent. Bas Dost is more or less purely a box player, a luxury we sadly cannot afford as we are in deperate need (in my view) of a forward who can transform the way we play offensively, and by this I don't mean hoofing it at the big lump up top, but somebody with some pace, movement and intelligence about him. A wider criticism would be what this transfer represents, especially coming in the wake of Mike Ashley speaking of Champions League football and talking about the club finally pushing above its weight. Bas Dost is to the Newcastle number 9 shirt what Steve McClaren is to the Newcastle hot seat: utterly underwhelming and a sign not of renewed ambition, but of ingrained mediocrity. It is simply not good enough and ultimately all this penny penching and taking chances in the hope that some may come off will only continue to see us fall further down the footballing ladder. The club is absolutely raking it in from TV revenue, posting profit after profit and the most we have spent on a striker under Ashley (one of the richest people on the planet) is 10 million pounds or about half what a good lower Premier League/top Championship forward would set you back nowadays. Yes, I am negative about the direction of the club in general and this potential transfer in particular, but I don't f***ing want to be. I would much rather the club was run ambitiously with a striker capable of replicating the heroics of the best number 9's we've seen over the years. I'm sorry to say there is no way that Bas Dost will ever be that player, not ever. His goalscoring record as well as his all round play are nowhere near good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Sure if we had signed Sakho last summer peole would have been saying the same types of things. Actually it would have been much worse I'd imagine. How about letting the guy land, and seeing how his game translates here Unlike you to miss the point. No-one had seen Sakho so comment would've been fanciful guesswork, many have seen Dost and have formed an opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Look, I'm not being negative for negativity's sake here unlike what some people might think. Think about it: why would a Dutch poster on a NUFC board with a history of defending Dutch and Eredivisie players when they have been (in my opinion) undervalued come out and express dismay at the arrival of a possible Dutch number 9 at Newcastle? I would love nothing more than to see a Dutch striker become a hero at this club. I wanted us to sign Dirk Kuyt back when we were supposedly after him. I have no ulterior motive here, I couldn't possible have. I hope we don't sign Bas Dost. That doesn't mean I'm writing him off before he's even kicked a ball for us or will not give him a chance because he's not our player yet, and whilst that is the case I sincerely hope we look elsewhere and aim higher. His record isn't all that bad and I will always defend any Eredvisie striker record against the likes of Ronaldo (the poster) who suggest the league is so weak that any striker could score over 30. That said, he scored 77 goals in 163 competitive games in Holland (one season in Jupiler League, 4 in Eredivisie), or slightly under one in two. Take out his "Pardew 5th place season" anomaly and it drops to in 39 in 124, or slightly under one in three. Wolfsburg shelled out for him when his stock was high (after the anomaly) and at the higher Bundesliga you would expect a striker with these numbers in Holland to score maybe one in four in a stronger league, which proved to be the case in his first two seasons at Wolsburg (12 in 41 in Bundesliga), where he was a squad player at best despite the fact that they had paid just shy of 10m euros for him. His hot streak earlier this year for Wolfsburg was seriously impressive, but nobody saw it coming (a bit like Papiss Cisse's streak in his first few months here) and I think nobody who closely follows the German league can realistically see him replicating it, not least Wolsburg which explains why they want to cash in on him while his stock is (once again) high. Having said all that, his goalscoring record is not my biggest worry with Bas Dost. It is the fact that he is the type of player that needs the team to be built around him and quite frankly, he is not good enough for that to happen at the top level. Considering our current group of players, there is hardly anybody here at this point in time capable of providing him the service he would require to be even considered half decent. Bas Dost is more or less purely a box player, a luxury we sadly cannot afford as we are in deperate need (in my view) of a forward who can transform the way we play offensively, and by this I don't mean hoofing it at the big lump up top, but somebody with some pace, movement and intelligence about him. A wider criticism would be what this transfer represents, especially coming in the wake of Mike Ashley speaking of Champions League football and talking about the club finally pushing above its weight. Bas Dost is to the Newcastle number 9 shirt what Steve McClaren is to the Newcastle hot seat: utterly underwhelming and a sign not of renewed ambition, but of ingrained mediocrity. It is simply not good enough and ultimately all this penny penching and taking chances in the hope that some may come off will only continue to see us fall further down the footballing ladder. The club is absolutely raking it in from TV revenue, posting profit after profit and the most we have spent on a striker under Ashley (one of the richest people on the planet) is 10 million pounds or about half what a good lower Premier League/top Championship forward would set you back nowadays. Yes, I am negative about the direction of the club in general and this potential transfer in particular, but I don't f***ing want to be. I would much rather the club was run ambitiously with a striker capable of replicating the heroics of the best number 9's we've seen over the years. I'm sorry to say there is no way that Bas Dost will ever be that player, not ever. His goalscoring record as well as his all round play are nowhere near good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Very good post Unbelievable. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Look, I'm not being negative for negativity's sake here unlike what some people might think. Think about it: why would a Dutch poster on a NUFC board with a history of defending Dutch and Eredivisie players when they have been (in my opinion) undervalued come out and express dismay at the arrival of a possible Dutch number 9 at Newcastle? I would love nothing more than to see a Dutch striker become a hero at this club. I wanted us to sign Dirk Kuyt back when we were supposedly after him. I have no ulterior motive here, I couldn't possible have. I hope we don't sign Bas Dost. That doesn't mean I'm writing him off before he's even kicked a ball for us or will not give him a chance because he's not our player yet, and whilst that is the case I sincerely hope we look elsewhere and aim higher. His record isn't all that bad and I will always defend any Eredvisie striker record against the likes of Ronaldo (the poster) who suggest the league is so weak that any striker could score over 30. That said, he scored 77 goals in 163 competitive games in Holland (one season in Jupiler League, 4 in Eredivisie), or slightly under one in two. Take out his "Pardew 5th place season" anomaly and it drops to in 39 in 124, or slightly under one in three. Wolfsburg shelled out for him when his stock was high (after the anomaly) and at the higher Bundesliga level you would expect a striker with these numbers in Holland to score maybe one in four in a stronger league, which proved to be the case in his first two seasons at Wolsburg (12 in 41 in Bundesliga), where he was a squad player at best despite the fact that they had paid just shy of 10m euros for him. His hot streak earlier this year for Wolfsburg was seriously impressive, but nobody saw it coming (a bit like Papiss Cisse's streak in his first few months here) and I think nobody who closely follows the German league can realistically see him replicating it, not least Wolsburg which explains why they want to cash in on him while his stock is (once again) high. Having said all that, his goalscoring record is not my biggest worry with Bas Dost. It is the fact that he is the type of player that needs the team to be built around him and quite frankly, he is not good enough for that to happen at the top level. Considering our current group of players, there is hardly anybody here at this point in time capable of providing him the service he would require to be even considered half decent. Bas Dost is more or less purely a box player, a luxury we sadly cannot afford as we are in deperate need (in my view) of a forward who can transform the way we play offensively, and by this I don't mean hoofing it at the big lump up top, but somebody with some pace, movement and intelligence about him. A wider criticism would be what this transfer represents, especially coming in the wake of Mike Ashley speaking of Champions League football and talking about the club finally pushing above its weight. Bas Dost is to the Newcastle number 9 shirt what Steve McClaren is to the Newcastle hot seat: utterly underwhelming and a sign not of renewed ambition, but of ingrained mediocrity. It is simply not good enough and ultimately all this penny penching and taking chances in the hope that some may come off will only continue to see us fall further down the footballing ladder. The club is absolutely raking it in from TV revenue, posting profit after profit and the most we have spent on a striker under Ashley (one of the richest people on the planet) is 10 million pounds or about half what a good lower Premier League/top Championship forward would set you back nowadays. Yes, I am negative about the direction of the club in general and this potential transfer in particular, but I don't f***ing want to be. I would much rather the club was run ambitiously with a striker capable of replicating the heroics of the best number 9's we've seen over the years. I'm sorry to say there is no way that Bas Dost will ever be that player, not ever. His goalscoring record as well as his all round play are nowhere near good enough. I've not been against signing Dost at all but I do love this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannybagoftudor Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I know forward planning isn't NUFC's forte - but if ( a big if) we were looking for a complete overhaul of playing style and personnel - wingers - talented midfielders - (a defence) with an ability to press and release balls quickly coupled with intelligent attacking play - would it be possible for Bas Dost to be the focal point of our team? I totally agree that in the current set up he would be redundant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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