mrmojorisin75 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I'd be really p*ssed off after this whole Austin saga if he was then bought by Pardew. It's nailed on to happen as well isn't it? I personally think Austin and Shelvey would be enough to keep us in the league. A finisher and a powerful box to box player should in theory be enough assuming we get no injuries. My gut feeling is we'll sign no one of worth though. the manager is too much of a coward to say what needs saying about the urgent requirement for new players, or he's complicit in agreeing not to sign any which is just as bad the MD proved last season he knows not a f***ing thing about the game of football ashley is absent and concentrating on SD which is worth billions leaving all control to charnley carr is a scout and there's nothing worth saying about moncur my prediction is very little useful transfer business if any and relegation, a normal club would ensure at least 1 player in for manyoo in order to try and make something happen, not this set of clueless bellends the manager is too much of a coward to say what needs saying about the urgent requirement for new players, or he's complicit in agreeing not to sign any which is just as bad How do you work out he too much of a coward to ask for players ? unreal statement, unless you go to the board meetings .... we have 17 points after 20 games man, everyone who has watched us knows we're in desperate need of players all over the pitch and a manager in his situation traditionally would be putting the onus on the board by publicly stating he needs players to make changes but steve is either too scared of losing his job to do so (a la mr pardew) or he's agreed it all up front (as mr pardew might have done tbf) what's the alternative, that he thinks everything really is fine? not a very good one Just because he does not come out in the press and say things does not make him a coward. as I say unreal statement. I am sure with his job on the line he will be asking for more players. unreal to think he not. But as everyone knows the manager at Newcastle has little if any say on transfers. of course they're not the only two options known to man in this scenario, but they're the most likely knowing what we know of the people in charge and the way they operate he's on the board ffs, he knows what's going on or we've been lied to about that as well what gives you faith in any level of honesty at the club after all this time with ashley, 4 years of pardew and then carver? I have no faith, but my point is you called him a coward not asking for players. how do work this out . unless you are in meeting with them you have no idea what is said, like everyone on here. I am sure most managers would like to strengthen their squads each window, so I would imagine he would ask for new players. no i offered two options; first he's a coward because he won't come out and publicly say we need a fresh injection of players ASAP or we're going to be relegated, second he's complicit with charnley et al as part of the board in not doing anything or doing the bare minimum he's supposed to be a football manager man, it shouldn't be his job to manage expectations for the board if that's what he's doing - it should be his job to scream and shout to get more players in because if we don't we're getting relegated...if he comes out and says he wants 4 players in key positions then the pressure is on ashley and charnley isn't it? so he's either afraid to say it, doesn't think it needs saying, or is complicit with the c***s in charge take your pick Just because he says not much in the press does not make him a coward or put pressure on others. too much crap is spoken in the press, we do not know what said in private how much if any money is there for new players.. Neither Ashley or Charnley seem to take much notice of what is said in the press. Everyone should have worked that out by now.. Pardew all over again this like. Fuck's sake man. Of course it is. He's the mouthpiece for the board just as Pardew was and people are falling over themselves to convince themselves it's not happening. If we sign a few good players for positions we need I'll hold my hands up like but imo he knows he's not getting what he wants just like Pardew always knew. He should have walked or went public over the Colo fiasco but he set the tone with that really, pliable doormat. Suppose if he's a man of integrity and there's no significant action come 31st January we might well see him resign eh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Not sure I want a Newcastle manager to say we're going down if we don't make signings. Because we won't make signings. Howay Ian you're better than that. No manager is going to say they're going down if course but they can clearly explain its going to be more of a struggle without reinforcements. It's nothing new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I'd be really p*ssed off after this whole Austin saga if he was then bought by Pardew. It's nailed on to happen as well isn't it? I personally think Austin and Shelvey would be enough to keep us in the league. A finisher and a powerful box to box player should in theory be enough assuming we get no injuries. My gut feeling is we'll sign no one of worth though. the manager is too much of a coward to say what needs saying about the urgent requirement for new players, or he's complicit in agreeing not to sign any which is just as bad the MD proved last season he knows not a f***ing thing about the game of football ashley is absent and concentrating on SD which is worth billions leaving all control to charnley carr is a scout and there's nothing worth saying about moncur my prediction is very little useful transfer business if any and relegation, a normal club would ensure at least 1 player in for manyoo in order to try and make something happen, not this set of clueless bellends the manager is too much of a coward to say what needs saying about the urgent requirement for new players, or he's complicit in agreeing not to sign any which is just as bad How do you work out he too much of a coward to ask for players ? unreal statement, unless you go to the board meetings .... we have 17 points after 20 games man, everyone who has watched us knows we're in desperate need of players all over the pitch and a manager in his situation traditionally would be putting the onus on the board by publicly stating he needs players to make changes but steve is either too scared of losing his job to do so (a la mr pardew) or he's agreed it all up front (as mr pardew might have done tbf) what's the alternative, that he thinks everything really is fine? not a very good one Just because he does not come out in the press and say things does not make him a coward. as I say unreal statement. I am sure with his job on the line he will be asking for more players. unreal to think he not. But as everyone knows the manager at Newcastle has little if any say on transfers. of course they're not the only two options known to man in this scenario, but they're the most likely knowing what we know of the people in charge and the way they operate he's on the board ffs, he knows what's going on or we've been lied to about that as well what gives you faith in any level of honesty at the club after all this time with ashley, 4 years of pardew and then carver? I have no faith, but my point is you called him a coward not asking for players. how do work this out . unless you are in meeting with them you have no idea what is said, like everyone on here. I am sure most managers would like to strengthen their squads each window, so I would imagine he would ask for new players. no i offered two options; first he's a coward because he won't come out and publicly say we need a fresh injection of players ASAP or we're going to be relegated, second he's complicit with charnley et al as part of the board in not doing anything or doing the bare minimum he's supposed to be a football manager man, it shouldn't be his job to manage expectations for the board if that's what he's doing - it should be his job to scream and shout to get more players in because if we don't we're getting relegated...if he comes out and says he wants 4 players in key positions then the pressure is on ashley and charnley isn't it? so he's either afraid to say it, doesn't think it needs saying, or is complicit with the c***s in charge take your pick Just because he says not much in the press does not make him a coward or put pressure on others. too much crap is spoken in the press, we do not know what said in private how much if any money is there for new players.. Neither Ashley or Charnley seem to take much notice of what is said in the press. Everyone should have worked that out by now.. Pardew all over again this like. Fuck's sake man. Of course it is. He's the mouthpiece for the board just as Pardew was and people are falling over themselves to convince themselves it's not happening. If we sign a few good players for positions we need I'll hold my hands up like but imo he knows he's not getting what he wants just like Pardew always knew. He should have walked or went public over the Colo fiasco but he set the tone with that really, pliable doormat. Suppose if he's a man of integrity and there's no significant action come 31st January we might well see him resign eh. The difference is that McLaren is part of the board, so he's can dictate what we do, and on the flip side to that, if he doesn't have that say, he's employed as a head coach and not a manager meaning he doesn't get a say in transfers. It's either or really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I'd be really p*ssed off after this whole Austin saga if he was then bought by Pardew. It's nailed on to happen as well isn't it? I personally think Austin and Shelvey would be enough to keep us in the league. A finisher and a powerful box to box player should in theory be enough assuming we get no injuries. My gut feeling is we'll sign no one of worth though. the manager is too much of a coward to say what needs saying about the urgent requirement for new players, or he's complicit in agreeing not to sign any which is just as bad the MD proved last season he knows not a f***ing thing about the game of football ashley is absent and concentrating on SD which is worth billions leaving all control to charnley carr is a scout and there's nothing worth saying about moncur my prediction is very little useful transfer business if any and relegation, a normal club would ensure at least 1 player in for manyoo in order to try and make something happen, not this set of clueless bellends the manager is too much of a coward to say what needs saying about the urgent requirement for new players, or he's complicit in agreeing not to sign any which is just as bad How do you work out he too much of a coward to ask for players ? unreal statement, unless you go to the board meetings .... we have 17 points after 20 games man, everyone who has watched us knows we're in desperate need of players all over the pitch and a manager in his situation traditionally would be putting the onus on the board by publicly stating he needs players to make changes but steve is either too scared of losing his job to do so (a la mr pardew) or he's agreed it all up front (as mr pardew might have done tbf) what's the alternative, that he thinks everything really is fine? not a very good one Just because he does not come out in the press and say things does not make him a coward. as I say unreal statement. I am sure with his job on the line he will be asking for more players. unreal to think he not. But as everyone knows the manager at Newcastle has little if any say on transfers. of course they're not the only two options known to man in this scenario, but they're the most likely knowing what we know of the people in charge and the way they operate he's on the board ffs, he knows what's going on or we've been lied to about that as well what gives you faith in any level of honesty at the club after all this time with ashley, 4 years of pardew and then carver? I have no faith, but my point is you called him a coward not asking for players. how do work this out . unless you are in meeting with them you have no idea what is said, like everyone on here. I am sure most managers would like to strengthen their squads each window, so I would imagine he would ask for new players. no i offered two options; first he's a coward because he won't come out and publicly say we need a fresh injection of players ASAP or we're going to be relegated, second he's complicit with charnley et al as part of the board in not doing anything or doing the bare minimum he's supposed to be a football manager man, it shouldn't be his job to manage expectations for the board if that's what he's doing - it should be his job to scream and shout to get more players in because if we don't we're getting relegated...if he comes out and says he wants 4 players in key positions then the pressure is on ashley and charnley isn't it? so he's either afraid to say it, doesn't think it needs saying, or is complicit with the c***s in charge take your pick Just because he says not much in the press does not make him a coward or put pressure on others. too much crap is spoken in the press, we do not know what said in private how much if any money is there for new players.. Neither Ashley or Charnley seem to take much notice of what is said in the press. Everyone should have worked that out by now.. Pardew all over again this like. Fuck's sake man. Of course it is. He's the mouthpiece for the board just as Pardew was and people are falling over themselves to convince themselves it's not happening. If we sign a few good players for positions we need I'll hold my hands up like but imo he knows he's not getting what he wants just like Pardew always knew. He should have walked or went public over the Colo fiasco but he set the tone with that really, pliable doormat. Suppose if he's a man of integrity and there's no significant action come 31st January we might well see him resign eh. Is he a mouthpiece for the board or just a manager working under significant restrictions? It doesn't always have to be some outrageous conspiracy. He'll be playing no part in transfer negotiations and won't want to put his neck on the line. As for the stuff about resigning over Colo / at the end of the window.......I'm not sure how that would demonstrate integrity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I'd be really p*ssed off after this whole Austin saga if he was then bought by Pardew. It's nailed on to happen as well isn't it? I personally think Austin and Shelvey would be enough to keep us in the league. A finisher and a powerful box to box player should in theory be enough assuming we get no injuries. My gut feeling is we'll sign no one of worth though. the manager is too much of a coward to say what needs saying about the urgent requirement for new players, or he's complicit in agreeing not to sign any which is just as bad the MD proved last season he knows not a f***ing thing about the game of football ashley is absent and concentrating on SD which is worth billions leaving all control to charnley carr is a scout and there's nothing worth saying about moncur my prediction is very little useful transfer business if any and relegation, a normal club would ensure at least 1 player in for manyoo in order to try and make something happen, not this set of clueless bellends the manager is too much of a coward to say what needs saying about the urgent requirement for new players, or he's complicit in agreeing not to sign any which is just as bad How do you work out he too much of a coward to ask for players ? unreal statement, unless you go to the board meetings .... we have 17 points after 20 games man, everyone who has watched us knows we're in desperate need of players all over the pitch and a manager in his situation traditionally would be putting the onus on the board by publicly stating he needs players to make changes but steve is either too scared of losing his job to do so (a la mr pardew) or he's agreed it all up front (as mr pardew might have done tbf) what's the alternative, that he thinks everything really is fine? not a very good one Just because he does not come out in the press and say things does not make him a coward. as I say unreal statement. I am sure with his job on the line he will be asking for more players. unreal to think he not. But as everyone knows the manager at Newcastle has little if any say on transfers. of course they're not the only two options known to man in this scenario, but they're the most likely knowing what we know of the people in charge and the way they operate he's on the board ffs, he knows what's going on or we've been lied to about that as well what gives you faith in any level of honesty at the club after all this time with ashley, 4 years of pardew and then carver? I have no faith, but my point is you called him a coward not asking for players. how do work this out . unless you are in meeting with them you have no idea what is said, like everyone on here. I am sure most managers would like to strengthen their squads each window, so I would imagine he would ask for new players. no i offered two options; first he's a coward because he won't come out and publicly say we need a fresh injection of players ASAP or we're going to be relegated, second he's complicit with charnley et al as part of the board in not doing anything or doing the bare minimum he's supposed to be a football manager man, it shouldn't be his job to manage expectations for the board if that's what he's doing - it should be his job to scream and shout to get more players in because if we don't we're getting relegated...if he comes out and says he wants 4 players in key positions then the pressure is on ashley and charnley isn't it? so he's either afraid to say it, doesn't think it needs saying, or is complicit with the c***s in charge take your pick Just because he says not much in the press does not make him a coward or put pressure on others. too much crap is spoken in the press, we do not know what said in private how much if any money is there for new players.. Neither Ashley or Charnley seem to take much notice of what is said in the press. Everyone should have worked that out by now.. Pardew all over again this like. Reins are a little tighter now than anything. Irons in the fire and failing to get them "over the line" obviously didn't go down to well, so they've crafted a "we're working behind the scenes in private. You'll be the last to know" response to any and all inquiries that would seem less verifiable and more bulletproof. Stay on-message, Steve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Wijnaldum said in those quotes yesterday that McClaren was involved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I'd be really p*ssed off after this whole Austin saga if he was then bought by Pardew. It's nailed on to happen as well isn't it? I personally think Austin and Shelvey would be enough to keep us in the league. A finisher and a powerful box to box player should in theory be enough assuming we get no injuries. My gut feeling is we'll sign no one of worth though. the manager is too much of a coward to say what needs saying about the urgent requirement for new players, or he's complicit in agreeing not to sign any which is just as bad the MD proved last season he knows not a f***ing thing about the game of football ashley is absent and concentrating on SD which is worth billions leaving all control to charnley carr is a scout and there's nothing worth saying about moncur my prediction is very little useful transfer business if any and relegation, a normal club would ensure at least 1 player in for manyoo in order to try and make something happen, not this set of clueless bellends the manager is too much of a coward to say what needs saying about the urgent requirement for new players, or he's complicit in agreeing not to sign any which is just as bad How do you work out he too much of a coward to ask for players ? unreal statement, unless you go to the board meetings .... we have 17 points after 20 games man, everyone who has watched us knows we're in desperate need of players all over the pitch and a manager in his situation traditionally would be putting the onus on the board by publicly stating he needs players to make changes but steve is either too scared of losing his job to do so (a la mr pardew) or he's agreed it all up front (as mr pardew might have done tbf) what's the alternative, that he thinks everything really is fine? not a very good one Just because he does not come out in the press and say things does not make him a coward. as I say unreal statement. I am sure with his job on the line he will be asking for more players. unreal to think he not. But as everyone knows the manager at Newcastle has little if any say on transfers. of course they're not the only two options known to man in this scenario, but they're the most likely knowing what we know of the people in charge and the way they operate he's on the board ffs, he knows what's going on or we've been lied to about that as well what gives you faith in any level of honesty at the club after all this time with ashley, 4 years of pardew and then carver? I have no faith, but my point is you called him a coward not asking for players. how do work this out . unless you are in meeting with them you have no idea what is said, like everyone on here. I am sure most managers would like to strengthen their squads each window, so I would imagine he would ask for new players. no i offered two options; first he's a coward because he won't come out and publicly say we need a fresh injection of players ASAP or we're going to be relegated, second he's complicit with charnley et al as part of the board in not doing anything or doing the bare minimum he's supposed to be a football manager man, it shouldn't be his job to manage expectations for the board if that's what he's doing - it should be his job to scream and shout to get more players in because if we don't we're getting relegated...if he comes out and says he wants 4 players in key positions then the pressure is on ashley and charnley isn't it? so he's either afraid to say it, doesn't think it needs saying, or is complicit with the c***s in charge take your pick Just because he says not much in the press does not make him a coward or put pressure on others. too much crap is spoken in the press, we do not know what said in private how much if any money is there for new players.. Neither Ashley or Charnley seem to take much notice of what is said in the press. Everyone should have worked that out by now.. Pardew all over again this like. Fuck's sake man. Of course it is. He's the mouthpiece for the board just as Pardew was and people are falling over themselves to convince themselves it's not happening. If we sign a few good players for positions we need I'll hold my hands up like but imo he knows he's not getting what he wants just like Pardew always knew. He should have walked or went public over the Colo fiasco but he set the tone with that really, pliable doormat. Suppose if he's a man of integrity and there's no significant action come 31st January we might well see him resign eh. Is he a mouthpiece for the board or just a manager working under significant restrictions. It doesn't always have to be some outrageous conspiracy. He'll be playing no part in transfer negotiations and won't want to put his neck on the line. As for the stuff about resigning over Colo / at the end of the window.......I'm not sure how that would demonstrate integrity. Because he walked into a new club and *apparently* told Charnley he wanted a new CB as a matter of priority as he didn't rate Colo. He was told that's not happening and Colo was given an extended contract. If he was worth his salt that would have pushed relations to the limit from the off, if not beyond the limit. As regards January plenty of people on here are very quick to point out how his hands are tied due to the shit squad, if he's left with the same to keep us up why would any manager worth his salt stick around to trudge into relegation? They wouldn't basically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I'd be really p*ssed off after this whole Austin saga if he was then bought by Pardew. It's nailed on to happen as well isn't it? I personally think Austin and Shelvey would be enough to keep us in the league. A finisher and a powerful box to box player should in theory be enough assuming we get no injuries. My gut feeling is we'll sign no one of worth though. the manager is too much of a coward to say what needs saying about the urgent requirement for new players, or he's complicit in agreeing not to sign any which is just as bad the MD proved last season he knows not a f***ing thing about the game of football ashley is absent and concentrating on SD which is worth billions leaving all control to charnley carr is a scout and there's nothing worth saying about moncur my prediction is very little useful transfer business if any and relegation, a normal club would ensure at least 1 player in for manyoo in order to try and make something happen, not this set of clueless bellends the manager is too much of a coward to say what needs saying about the urgent requirement for new players, or he's complicit in agreeing not to sign any which is just as bad How do you work out he too much of a coward to ask for players ? unreal statement, unless you go to the board meetings .... we have 17 points after 20 games man, everyone who has watched us knows we're in desperate need of players all over the pitch and a manager in his situation traditionally would be putting the onus on the board by publicly stating he needs players to make changes but steve is either too scared of losing his job to do so (a la mr pardew) or he's agreed it all up front (as mr pardew might have done tbf) what's the alternative, that he thinks everything really is fine? not a very good one Just because he does not come out in the press and say things does not make him a coward. as I say unreal statement. I am sure with his job on the line he will be asking for more players. unreal to think he not. But as everyone knows the manager at Newcastle has little if any say on transfers. of course they're not the only two options known to man in this scenario, but they're the most likely knowing what we know of the people in charge and the way they operate he's on the board ffs, he knows what's going on or we've been lied to about that as well what gives you faith in any level of honesty at the club after all this time with ashley, 4 years of pardew and then carver? I have no faith, but my point is you called him a coward not asking for players. how do work this out . unless you are in meeting with them you have no idea what is said, like everyone on here. I am sure most managers would like to strengthen their squads each window, so I would imagine he would ask for new players. no i offered two options; first he's a coward because he won't come out and publicly say we need a fresh injection of players ASAP or we're going to be relegated, second he's complicit with charnley et al as part of the board in not doing anything or doing the bare minimum he's supposed to be a football manager man, it shouldn't be his job to manage expectations for the board if that's what he's doing - it should be his job to scream and shout to get more players in because if we don't we're getting relegated...if he comes out and says he wants 4 players in key positions then the pressure is on ashley and charnley isn't it? so he's either afraid to say it, doesn't think it needs saying, or is complicit with the c***s in charge take your pick Just because he says not much in the press does not make him a coward or put pressure on others. too much crap is spoken in the press, we do not know what said in private how much if any money is there for new players.. Neither Ashley or Charnley seem to take much notice of what is said in the press. Everyone should have worked that out by now.. Pardew all over again this like. f***'s sake man. Of course it is. He's the mouthpiece for the board just as Pardew was and people are falling over themselves to convince themselves it's not happening. If we sign a few good players for positions we need I'll hold my hands up like but imo he knows he's not getting what he wants just like Pardew always knew. He should have walked or went public over the Colo fiasco but he set the tone with that really, pliable doormat. Suppose if he's a man of integrity and there's no significant action come 31st January we might well see him resign eh. not many mangers go public about transfers, he knew the job when he took it . so why would he walk away ? All I see him saying about transfers is that the club do things in private. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I'd be really p*ssed off after this whole Austin saga if he was then bought by Pardew. It's nailed on to happen as well isn't it? I personally think Austin and Shelvey would be enough to keep us in the league. A finisher and a powerful box to box player should in theory be enough assuming we get no injuries. My gut feeling is we'll sign no one of worth though. the manager is too much of a coward to say what needs saying about the urgent requirement for new players, or he's complicit in agreeing not to sign any which is just as bad the MD proved last season he knows not a f***ing thing about the game of football ashley is absent and concentrating on SD which is worth billions leaving all control to charnley carr is a scout and there's nothing worth saying about moncur my prediction is very little useful transfer business if any and relegation, a normal club would ensure at least 1 player in for manyoo in order to try and make something happen, not this set of clueless bellends the manager is too much of a coward to say what needs saying about the urgent requirement for new players, or he's complicit in agreeing not to sign any which is just as bad How do you work out he too much of a coward to ask for players ? unreal statement, unless you go to the board meetings .... we have 17 points after 20 games man, everyone who has watched us knows we're in desperate need of players all over the pitch and a manager in his situation traditionally would be putting the onus on the board by publicly stating he needs players to make changes but steve is either too scared of losing his job to do so (a la mr pardew) or he's agreed it all up front (as mr pardew might have done tbf) what's the alternative, that he thinks everything really is fine? not a very good one Just because he does not come out in the press and say things does not make him a coward. as I say unreal statement. I am sure with his job on the line he will be asking for more players. unreal to think he not. But as everyone knows the manager at Newcastle has little if any say on transfers. of course they're not the only two options known to man in this scenario, but they're the most likely knowing what we know of the people in charge and the way they operate he's on the board ffs, he knows what's going on or we've been lied to about that as well what gives you faith in any level of honesty at the club after all this time with ashley, 4 years of pardew and then carver? I have no faith, but my point is you called him a coward not asking for players. how do work this out . unless you are in meeting with them you have no idea what is said, like everyone on here. I am sure most managers would like to strengthen their squads each window, so I would imagine he would ask for new players. no i offered two options; first he's a coward because he won't come out and publicly say we need a fresh injection of players ASAP or we're going to be relegated, second he's complicit with charnley et al as part of the board in not doing anything or doing the bare minimum he's supposed to be a football manager man, it shouldn't be his job to manage expectations for the board if that's what he's doing - it should be his job to scream and shout to get more players in because if we don't we're getting relegated...if he comes out and says he wants 4 players in key positions then the pressure is on ashley and charnley isn't it? so he's either afraid to say it, doesn't think it needs saying, or is complicit with the c***s in charge take your pick Just because he says not much in the press does not make him a coward or put pressure on others. too much crap is spoken in the press, we do not know what said in private how much if any money is there for new players.. Neither Ashley or Charnley seem to take much notice of what is said in the press. Everyone should have worked that out by now.. Pardew all over again this like. Reins are a little tighter now than anything. Irons in the fire and failing to get them "over the line" obviously didn't go down to well, so they've crafted a "we're working behind the scenes in private. You'll be the last to know" response to any and all inquiries that would seem less verifiable and more bulletproof. Stay on-message, Steve. Exactly! He's either towing the party line in the face of impending doom, too shit a manager to see the need for urgent reinforcements and letting the fans know he wants them, or too scared to speak out. As I've been saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I'd be really p*ssed off after this whole Austin saga if he was then bought by Pardew. It's nailed on to happen as well isn't it? I personally think Austin and Shelvey would be enough to keep us in the league. A finisher and a powerful box to box player should in theory be enough assuming we get no injuries. My gut feeling is we'll sign no one of worth though. the manager is too much of a coward to say what needs saying about the urgent requirement for new players, or he's complicit in agreeing not to sign any which is just as bad the MD proved last season he knows not a f***ing thing about the game of football ashley is absent and concentrating on SD which is worth billions leaving all control to charnley carr is a scout and there's nothing worth saying about moncur my prediction is very little useful transfer business if any and relegation, a normal club would ensure at least 1 player in for manyoo in order to try and make something happen, not this set of clueless bellends the manager is too much of a coward to say what needs saying about the urgent requirement for new players, or he's complicit in agreeing not to sign any which is just as bad How do you work out he too much of a coward to ask for players ? unreal statement, unless you go to the board meetings .... we have 17 points after 20 games man, everyone who has watched us knows we're in desperate need of players all over the pitch and a manager in his situation traditionally would be putting the onus on the board by publicly stating he needs players to make changes but steve is either too scared of losing his job to do so (a la mr pardew) or he's agreed it all up front (as mr pardew might have done tbf) what's the alternative, that he thinks everything really is fine? not a very good one Just because he does not come out in the press and say things does not make him a coward. as I say unreal statement. I am sure with his job on the line he will be asking for more players. unreal to think he not. But as everyone knows the manager at Newcastle has little if any say on transfers. of course they're not the only two options known to man in this scenario, but they're the most likely knowing what we know of the people in charge and the way they operate he's on the board ffs, he knows what's going on or we've been lied to about that as well what gives you faith in any level of honesty at the club after all this time with ashley, 4 years of pardew and then carver? I have no faith, but my point is you called him a coward not asking for players. how do work this out . unless you are in meeting with them you have no idea what is said, like everyone on here. I am sure most managers would like to strengthen their squads each window, so I would imagine he would ask for new players. no i offered two options; first he's a coward because he won't come out and publicly say we need a fresh injection of players ASAP or we're going to be relegated, second he's complicit with charnley et al as part of the board in not doing anything or doing the bare minimum he's supposed to be a football manager man, it shouldn't be his job to manage expectations for the board if that's what he's doing - it should be his job to scream and shout to get more players in because if we don't we're getting relegated...if he comes out and says he wants 4 players in key positions then the pressure is on ashley and charnley isn't it? so he's either afraid to say it, doesn't think it needs saying, or is complicit with the c***s in charge take your pick Just because he says not much in the press does not make him a coward or put pressure on others. too much crap is spoken in the press, we do not know what said in private how much if any money is there for new players.. Neither Ashley or Charnley seem to take much notice of what is said in the press. Everyone should have worked that out by now.. Pardew all over again this like. f***'s sake man. Of course it is. He's the mouthpiece for the board just as Pardew was and people are falling over themselves to convince themselves it's not happening. If we sign a few good players for positions we need I'll hold my hands up like but imo he knows he's not getting what he wants just like Pardew always knew. He should have walked or went public over the Colo fiasco but he set the tone with that really, pliable doormat. Suppose if he's a man of integrity and there's no significant action come 31st January we might well see him resign eh. not many mangers go public about transfers, he knew the job when he took it . so why would he walk away ? All I see him saying about transfers is that the club do things in private. No it's good people still have faith like, faith that he has enough professional integrity not to be Pardew mk2 when everything he's doing and saying suggests that's exactly what he is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Not sure I want a Newcastle manager to say we're going down if we don't make signings. Because we won't make signings. Howay Ian you're better than that. No manager is going to say they're going down if course but they can clearly explain its going to be more of a struggle without reinforcements. It's nothing new. Allardyce has not been diplomatic at Sunderland, he's been flaying his players when they lose and promising changes. I have a feeling he is going to use the January window to get the signings that will keep Sunderland up. McClaren on the other hand will keep smiling like a gimp while we sleepwalk towards relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Not sure I want a Newcastle manager to say we're going down if we don't make signings. Because we won't make signings. Howay Ian you're better than that. No manager is going to say they're going down if course but they can clearly explain its going to be more of a struggle without reinforcements. It's nothing new. Don't really want to get into an argument about it TBH We likely won't make enough signings but it'll have very little to do with what McClaren says to the media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Not sure I want a Newcastle manager to say we're going down if we don't make signings. Because we won't make signings. Howay Ian you're better than that. No manager is going to say they're going down if course but they can clearly explain its going to be more of a struggle without reinforcements. It's nothing new. Allardyce has not been diplomatic at Sunderland, he's been flaying his players when they lose and promising changes. I have a feeling he is going to use the January window to get the signings that will keep Sunderland up. McClaren on the other hand will keep smiling like a gimp while we sleepwalk towards relegation. As much as a bellend as he is he's a real manager and will behave accordingly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Not sure I want a Newcastle manager to say we're going down if we don't make signings. Because we won't make signings. Howay Ian you're better than that. No manager is going to say they're going down if course but they can clearly explain its going to be more of a struggle without reinforcements. It's nothing new. Don't really want to get into an argument about it TBH We likely won't make enough signings but it'll have very little to do with what McClaren says to the media. I'm not convinced. He goes public and we get trounced by Manyoo with no new players for example the fans might wake the fuck up again, for example. Atm he's helping perpetuate the coma they're in by saying everything they want him to, i.e. nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Not sure I want a Newcastle manager to say we're going down if we don't make signings. Because we won't make signings. Howay Ian you're better than that. No manager is going to say they're going down if course but they can clearly explain its going to be more of a struggle without reinforcements. It's nothing new. Allardyce has not been diplomatic at Sunderland, he's been flaying his players when they lose and promising changes. I have a feeling he is going to use the January window to get the signings that will keep Sunderland up. McClaren on the other hand will keep smiling like a gimp while we sleepwalk towards relegation. As much as a bellend as he is he's a real manager and will behave accordingly He's only good for one thing, playing ugly football and surviving in the premier. A perfect fit for a shit club like Sunderland. I wouldn't want him here, but I have far less confidence in McClaren to shake up this squad and turn things round. He's not a manager, he's a coach and a yes man to boot, which is the last thing we need in this situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Not sure I want a Newcastle manager to say we're going down if we don't make signings. Because we won't make signings. Howay Ian you're better than that. No manager is going to say they're going down if course but they can clearly explain its going to be more of a struggle without reinforcements. It's nothing new. Allardyce has not been diplomatic at Sunderland, he's been flaying his players when they lose and promising changes. I have a feeling he is going to use the January window to get the signings that will keep Sunderland up. McClaren on the other hand will keep smiling like a gimp while we sleepwalk towards relegation. As much as a bellend as he is he's a real manager and will behave accordingly He's only good for one thing, playing ugly football and surviving in the premier. A perfect fit for a shit club like Sunderland. I wouldn't want him here, but I have far less confidence in McClaren to shake up this squad and turn things round. He's not a manager, he's a coach and a yes man to boot, which is the last thing we need in this situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I'd like to believe McClaren, being part of the board, is fully aware of what's happening in the transfer window and doesn't need to be vocal about it to put pressure on the rest of the board. I realise he has a gagging order on him from Ashley to prevent certain prices going up, however McClaren also has a duty to the paying fans to convey a message of understanding and realisation of where we're at and what we need to do to survive and thus keeping quiet just brings back memories of previous windows and the mistrust that goes with it. I hope he knows what he's doing and I hope it's all in hand, I'm not quite ready to call him a coward but it's getting close now. IF we bring no one of worth or need in this January and IF he doesn't leave in protest then yes he's a massive coward. #Wait AGAIN ffs! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I think our experience with Pardew is framing this debate. McC is being diplomatic but my guess is he's pushing for players behind the scenes. He won't go public until he realises that he is on his own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I'd be really p*ssed off after this whole Austin saga if he was then bought by Pardew. It's nailed on to happen as well isn't it? I personally think Austin and Shelvey would be enough to keep us in the league. A finisher and a powerful box to box player should in theory be enough assuming we get no injuries. My gut feeling is we'll sign no one of worth though. the manager is too much of a coward to say what needs saying about the urgent requirement for new players, or he's complicit in agreeing not to sign any which is just as bad the MD proved last season he knows not a f***ing thing about the game of football ashley is absent and concentrating on SD which is worth billions leaving all control to charnley carr is a scout and there's nothing worth saying about moncur my prediction is very little useful transfer business if any and relegation, a normal club would ensure at least 1 player in for manyoo in order to try and make something happen, not this set of clueless bellends the manager is too much of a coward to say what needs saying about the urgent requirement for new players, or he's complicit in agreeing not to sign any which is just as bad How do you work out he too much of a coward to ask for players ? unreal statement, unless you go to the board meetings .... we have 17 points after 20 games man, everyone who has watched us knows we're in desperate need of players all over the pitch and a manager in his situation traditionally would be putting the onus on the board by publicly stating he needs players to make changes but steve is either too scared of losing his job to do so (a la mr pardew) or he's agreed it all up front (as mr pardew might have done tbf) what's the alternative, that he thinks everything really is fine? not a very good one Just because he does not come out in the press and say things does not make him a coward. as I say unreal statement. I am sure with his job on the line he will be asking for more players. unreal to think he not. But as everyone knows the manager at Newcastle has little if any say on transfers. of course they're not the only two options known to man in this scenario, but they're the most likely knowing what we know of the people in charge and the way they operate he's on the board ffs, he knows what's going on or we've been lied to about that as well what gives you faith in any level of honesty at the club after all this time with ashley, 4 years of pardew and then carver? I have no faith, but my point is you called him a coward not asking for players. how do work this out . unless you are in meeting with them you have no idea what is said, like everyone on here. I am sure most managers would like to strengthen their squads each window, so I would imagine he would ask for new players. no i offered two options; first he's a coward because he won't come out and publicly say we need a fresh injection of players ASAP or we're going to be relegated, second he's complicit with charnley et al as part of the board in not doing anything or doing the bare minimum he's supposed to be a football manager man, it shouldn't be his job to manage expectations for the board if that's what he's doing - it should be his job to scream and shout to get more players in because if we don't we're getting relegated...if he comes out and says he wants 4 players in key positions then the pressure is on ashley and charnley isn't it? so he's either afraid to say it, doesn't think it needs saying, or is complicit with the c***s in charge take your pick Just because he says not much in the press does not make him a coward or put pressure on others. too much crap is spoken in the press, we do not know what said in private how much if any money is there for new players.. Neither Ashley or Charnley seem to take much notice of what is said in the press. Everyone should have worked that out by now.. Pardew all over again this like. f***'s sake man. Of course it is. He's the mouthpiece for the board just as Pardew was and people are falling over themselves to convince themselves it's not happening. If we sign a few good players for positions we need I'll hold my hands up like but imo he knows he's not getting what he wants just like Pardew always knew. He should have walked or went public over the Colo fiasco but he set the tone with that really, pliable doormat. Suppose if he's a man of integrity and there's no significant action come 31st January we might well see him resign eh. not many mangers go public about transfers, he knew the job when he took it . so why would he walk away ? All I see him saying about transfers is that the club do things in private. No it's good people still have faith like, faith that he has enough professional integrity not to be Pardew mk2 when everything he's doing and saying suggests that's exactly what he is I have no faith at all in the man but just because he not shouting for players in the press does not mean much to me. If he does not know he needs new players then he should not be in the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I think our experience with Pardew is framing this debate. McC is being diplomatic but my guess is he's pushing for players behind the scenes. He won't go public until he realises that he is on his own. I agree to an extent but what Mandoon says below echoes what I said, his duty as a manager is as much to the fans as it is to Charnley and the prick out of a Dickens book. Him just trotting out that performances were great when we've took 1 point from 12 and refusing to acknowledge we need new players does nothing but support Charnley and Ashley so imo he's just as bad as Pardew atm albeit he's not as much of a cunt. At least if he was coming out and criticising the attitude and performance of players or something then it would be a tacit implication he wants new faces. Atm he's Saddam Hussein's PR guy basically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 At least McClaren isn't actively trying to flog the players. Don't mind him being tight-lipped about transfer activity but his comments will be judged come February. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 At least McClaren isn't actively trying to flog the players. Haha fair point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 It's waaay too early to posit a psychological profile of McC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Yeah he's only been in the game 15-20 years or so as a manager and coach I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 He's a human being with the same fears and desires as the rest of us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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