The Managerial Merry Go Round™

[Kid Icarus]

If the measure for Man United's relative success is now to do better than a Newcastle United who haven't won anything in 50 odd years and therefore our pisstaking is strange, then please be our guest like.  

[Froggy]

[Lotus]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

 

I'm friends with multiple Dortmund season ticket holders.  I watch all of their games and have been multiple times myself. I love Dortmund. 

 

They do want to keep him, but more because of how good he was before. He hasn't been good since he came back aside from two or three games. He was good in the CL semi, but was horrible in the final. Two assists and two goals in 20+ games for Dortmund, in a league that has about 4 good defenders. It's interesting you say that he took a while to get fitness and sharpness back, because IMO his best performances aside from the CL semi were his first few games back. He tailed off again after that.

 

The hope is that they can pick him up for cheap, and he rediscovers his form from a few years ago. They don't want to pay more than €20m for a permanent transfer though and would prefer to get him on loan again. I can't see either happening. Hoping he goes to West Ham or something for £40m.

Yeah, I love Dortmund too and watch whenever I can.

 

I know that league isn’t the best but it’s not like it’s the Scottish Prem or the like. 
 

He’s definitely shown he can play at a high level. He’s a very good player when comfortable in the right environment and confident in himself and those around him. Dortmund don’t have the finances to buy him back unless it’s a very, very low package. Especially the wages….

 

I don’t really know what went wrong at Manu, I doubt anyone outside those involved truly knows but it’s a shame for Sancho and England. Your club, with all due respect i couldn’t care less 😘.

 

But Sancho IS a player. Propaganda to suggest otherwise.

 

Btw, can’t agree he was best in his 1st few games. He was trying a bit too hard and hadn’t settled with his new teammates. He has always liked overlapping FBs to give him space and options. Ryerson  and Maatsen weren’t at the club when he was there. They all needed some time and practice to know each others games.

[Froggy]

Worth noting, I'm well aware how good Sancho can be. His issues aren't his ability. He has a well documented and proven record of poor discipline both at Dortmund and us. I'm happy for players like that to leave, and if we can recoup £40m for him I would get rid of him without a second thought. I'd sell Rashford for the same if I could. 

 

Sancho + £20m (from Greenwood money) would get us a player like Olise, which I'd be delighted with.

[Guest]

Farty the Man U fan living on the NUFC forum midweek during preseason. 

[Froggy]

6 minutes ago, OCK said:

Farty the Man U fan living on the NUFC forum midweek during preseason. 

 

[timnufc22]

4 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

This is blatantly untrue. The players never downed tools for Ten Hag, and he has the support of almost all of our players. They wanted him to stay. 

 

Sancho and Rashford are the only two. You're asked to run in a Ten Hag team, and they're two of the laziest players I've ever seen. People are acting like Ten Hag is in the wrong because Sancho dribbled past Nuno Mendes a few times in the Champions League semi, but the reality is that he has been poor for Dortmund and he's been shit under multiple managers for us. He'll be sold regardless. 

 

And again, not a single solitary mention in this thread about how we were forced to play Casemiro and Jonny Evans at centre back with no recognised left back.  as if that has no impact on how we played. Anyone who watched the FA Cup seen how important Martinez is for the way Ten Hag wants to play. 

 

No disrespect, but 100+ injuries in two seasons, 30+ different back fours this season, and you're all laughing at a manger who's won us two cups while you haven't won anything in 50 years. It's incredibly strange. 

Fair play you obviously see more of your team, what I would say is I’m not laughing at Ten Hag I’m sympathising with him. From what I could see there was more than Rashford & Sancho going through the motions, Casemiro to me was a disgrace when he literally let players waltz past him (Burnley at Old Trafford in the middle of the pitch) which was nothing to do with where he was playing and everything to do with lack of effort. Even Mainoo away to Palace for that first goal, he’s barley running when ‘chasing’ Olise, it’s ridiculous.

[Froggy]

9 minutes ago, timnufc22 said:

Fair play you obviously see more of your team, what I would say is I’m not laughing at Ten Hag I’m sympathising with him. From what I could see there was more than Rashford & Sancho going through the motions, Casemiro to me was a disgrace when he literally let players waltz past him (Burnley at Old Trafford in the middle of the pitch) which was nothing to do with where he was playing and everything to do with lack of effort. Even Mainoo away to Palace for that first goal, he’s barley running when ‘chasing’ Olise, it’s ridiculous.

 

I genuinely just think Casemiro has gone to shit. Although from decent sources he wasn't injured for the final and instead threw the head up because he wouldn't be playing so if he wasn't checked out before he will be now. He's almost certainly played his last game from the club if PIF can help us shift him.

 

If you say a bad word about Mainoo again though I will find you and I will hurt you.

 

 

Edited June 12, 2024 by Froggy

[GeordieDazzler]

[joeyt]

 

 

 

[Deuce]

14 hours ago, NSG said:

 

Can I say something brave, yet controversial? I think this is a good move by them.

 

Now watch they’ll reverse course and sack him by Christmas.  

[80]

28 minutes ago, Deuce said:

Can I say something brave, yet controversial? I think this is a good move by them.

 

Now watch they’ll reverse course and sack him by Christmas.  

That's the bit that makes this funny. They're letting the disharmony simmer. I think the move itself is ok enough in and of itself. I didn't think De Zerbi or Tuchel were going to come in and transform their fortunes.

[CallumG6]

Sounds like Man U players found out last night that EtH was staying and kept completely out of the loop.

Brexit Jim with another interesting move.

[gbandit]

Unorthodox it has to be said but Jim rules the roost and they play by his rules. Shame that his rules are absolutely fucking shit and will end up causing more issues for the club 

[Froggy]

1 hour ago, CallumG6 said:

Sounds like Man U players found out last night that EtH was staying and kept completely out of the loop.

Brexit Jim with another interesting move.

 

Why would they know before that?

[Gaztoon]

To much player power at man utd .. about time they backed a manager instead of a few egos.

[STM]

I think Man Utd have basically kicked this situation down the road. I suspect they have bigger fish to fry at an infrastructure level.

 

Yes they could have chopped and changed, and they will at some point, but if they haven't got the person they want ready to come in, it makes sense.

 

However the optics and their handling of this has been horrific. If they had just shown some balls pre cup final and said "we are sticking behind Eric, he's a great coach and he's dedicated to moving us forward", they'd have been fine.

 

Essentially, they've now got a squad who hates the manager, a manager who knows he's probably going to be axed in the medium term, a manager who also knows the club have been looking to replace him, an executive who runs his mouth every twenty seconds, a sporting director who isn't allowed to work for them and doesn't know how to use email and a dozen very average players to shift.

[Jaqen]

Seems like his new contract will give him less control over transfers. 

[Teslact]

 Am I missing something or are BBC using Mackematics here? (75 + 60) / (38 + 38) = 1.78 not 1.92. 

 

 

From https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/live/cq55yzvjd7xt at 15:56 How does Ten Hag stack up?

 

 

Edited June 12, 2024 by Teslact
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[Froggy]

1 hour ago, STM said:

I think Man Utd have basically kicked this situation down the road. I suspect they have bigger fish to fry at an infrastructure level.

 

Yes they could have chopped and changed, and they will at some point, but if they haven't got the person they want ready to come in, it makes sense.

 

However the optics and their handling of this has been horrific. If they had just shown some balls pre cup final and said "we are sticking behind Eric, he's a great coach and he's dedicated to moving us forward", they'd have been fine.

 

Essentially, they've now got a squad who hates the manager, a manager who knows he's probably going to be axed in the medium term, a manager who also knows the club have been looking to replace him, an executive who runs his mouth every twenty seconds, a sporting director who isn't allowed to work for them and doesn't know how to use email and a dozen very average players to shift.

 

The squad loves Ten Hag.

[Sibierski]

Mostly because they don’t need to defend. Easy ride in truth.

[Ben]

7 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

The squad loves Ten Hag.

Sancho, Rashford ?

[Froggy]

19 minutes ago, Ben said:

Sancho, Rashford ?

 

Sancho isn't part of the squad and likely will never be again. 

 

There's nothing to suggest Rashford doesn't like Ten Hag, he's just a lazy, useless fucker. 

[Ben]

2 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Sancho isn't part of the squad and likely will never be again. 

 

There's nothing to suggest Rashford doesn't like Ten Hag, he's just a lazy, useless fucker. 

 

You are definitely that Mark Goldbridge fella.

[midds]

1 minute ago, Froggy said:

 

Sancho isn't part of the squad and likely will never be again. 

 

There's nothing to suggest Rashford doesn't like Ten Hag, he's just a lazy, useless fucker. 

Didn't you say he was the leak within the squad a while back? Surely leaking shit could possibly be a hint that he may not like the boss and/or is unhappy but more than willing to stir the shit to create problems that his boss needs to deal with?