The Bonk Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 4 hours ago, WillDanceForChocolate said: You forgot Gary O'Neil. If we lose again at the weekend, he surely can't survive. It's already our worst run of results since 1983, but we also look completely disorganised in every match. Players literally standing on the pitch and looking at the bench with their arms out as they don't know what it is they are meant to be doing. It looks like the new owner is going to start spending money this week, which makes the O'Neil appointment even worse since a new manager may have different ideas about the players he wants. What a mess. Absolutely no idea who we will get. I hope it isn't another internal appointment though. Just because we got lucky once with Howe doesn't mean history is going to repeat itself. Marcelo Bielsa was touted back late October/November, any rumours around him now? Whatever that run of form was after Parker got sacked really papered over the cracks of O'Neil's capability. Would much rather Bournemouth stay up over Everton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 4 hours ago, The Bonk said: Marcelo Bielsa was touted back late October/November, any rumours around him now? Whatever that run of form was after Parker got sacked really papered over the cracks of O'Neil's capability. Would much rather Bournemouth stay up over Everton. Has a caretaker manager that gets the full time gig after a few good results ever worked out ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, Ben said: Has a caretaker manager that gets the full time gig after a few good results ever worked out ? Chris Hughton with us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Ole. Maybe not for Man Utd, but for everyone else it did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Stifler said: Ole. Maybe not for Man Utd, but for everyone else it did. He's only managed 3 clubs and he failed at Cardiff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 I always feel that Roeder did ok (in the context of history, maybe not so much at the time) despite the uphill battle and him being sacrificed to save Shepherd. He started as caretaker didn't he? Depends what you mean by 'worked out' I suppose. Lad won the intertoto Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: He's only managed 3 clubs and he failed at Cardiff. I meant the fact that he failed at Man Utd worked out for everyone but Man Utd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Think we’ll have a sackathon on once the first PL manager goes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Managers should be subject to the transfer window, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 hour ago, jack j said: Crazy. He's doing OK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 8 hours ago, Ben said: Has a caretaker manager that gets the full time gig after a few good results ever worked out ? I can’t recall one lasting long term, nope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Dokko said: Crazy. He's doing OK. Is he? 2 wins in 18 games? Imagine when we had a similar run under Bruce and we were told he was doing ok? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Marsch talks a big game and I don’t mind him, but Leeds have underperformed during his tenure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stal Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 8 hours ago, Ben said: Has a caretaker manager that gets the full time gig after a few good results ever worked out ? What about that Sbrakia guy at the mackems? Didn't he do well-ish? Roeder did canny for both us and West Ham, although he wasn't well at the end of his reign there iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, gdm said: Is he? 2 wins in 18 games? Imagine when we had a similar run under Bruce and we were told he was doing ok? 4 wins in 18. Win the game in hand and they are 5pts clear midway through the season. What do Leeds expect after selling their 2 best players (who went to 2 of the biggest clubs in the world) and bringing in lots of young foreign lads who need to adapt to the league. He's still carving out his way as well. Huge transformation job from their last manager. He's done OK. Only real issue I have with him is he looks like Jeremy Kyle. Edited January 17, 2023 by Dokko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Dokko said: 4 wins in 18. Win the game in hand and they are 5pts clear midway through the season. What do Leeds expect after selling their 2 best players (who went to 2 of the biggest clubs in the world) and bringing in lots of young foreign lads who need to adapt to the league. He's still carving out his way as well. Huge transformation job from their last manager. He's done OK. In terms of expected points (yeah I know, but I find it's a useful data point) Leeds are currently on the bad side of variance a little bit at the mo too. I'd be inclined to give a little bit more leeway when that's the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 8 hours ago, Ben said: Has a caretaker manager that gets the full time gig after a few good results ever worked out ? Chris Hughton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Just now, Cf said: In terms of expected points (yeah I know, but I find it's a useful data point) Leeds are currently on the bad side of variance a little bit at the mo too. I'd be inclined to give a little bit more leeway when that's the case. Yup. It's OK. Which is all I said. They've brought a new manager to the league after such a character before him. He's just started his rebuild job and was never going to challenge the top end of the table. They've given him a lot of his players, it seemed crazy to turf him out now. This is how teams sink. Going from one manager to another supporting their way with players but not giving them the time to see it out. Nest guy comes in and he needs another 5 players and the squad is a frankenstien mess always playing catch up. Give him the rest of the season, seems sensible. I don't think they are playing badly either. They should probably have a few more points on the board and if so their position would look a lot better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Tomato Deuce said: Managers should be subject to the transfer window, too. I've thought this a while like. Sacking a manager should still be fine but should only be able to replace them with someone internally until the next window, or a manager who wasn't in a job at the end of the last 'manager window'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 The only way transfer windows are even vaguely enforceable is because the players have to be registered as players for the club. Is it the same situation for managers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Dokko said: 4 wins in 18. Win the game in hand and they are 5pts clear midway through the season. What do Leeds expect after selling their 2 best players (who went to 2 of the biggest clubs in the world) and bringing in lots of young foreign lads who need to adapt to the league. He's still carving out his way as well. Huge transformation job from their last manager. He's done OK. Only real issue I have with him is he looks like Jeremy Kyle. It’s 2 wins in the last 17 including cup games. Point is pretty much everyone on here detested people looking in on the outside and suggesting Steve Bruce did a good job. Many Leeds fans aren’t happy with the job he’s doing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Just now, gdm said: It’s 2 wins in the last 17 including cup games. Point is pretty much everyone on here detested people looking in on the outside and suggesting Steve Bruce did a good job. Many Leeds fans aren’t happy with the job he’s doing No one gets sacked for losing cup games unless it's a club expected to win silverware. So it's 4 in 18 as it will be league position & points which will determine his fate. Steve Bruce and his time here is not a yardstick on any manager or how a club operates. It's an anomaly. We were dead and buried, showing no ambition at any level and we were watching the death of a club. Only the Everton situation compares, even then there is still some hope as lampard is a decent bloke and the owners do find money for signings. We had neither. We had someone who totally took the piss out of the fans and dared pretend to be one when it suited him. Fair play if you want to compare Leeds' situation right now to Bruce's time here. I can't get on board with that. Leeds' fans, especially since their return and 1 good season seem to think they should be up there again battling manu etc... The reality is, they are where they belong, making up the numbers and trying to build something sustainable. JM has a chance to do that, giving a bit of time and a couple of signings per window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Mind I do get your general point about doubting other fans opinions on managers, players and owners. I just don't but it on this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) I’m not comparing Bruce’s time to Marsch’s I’m saying I’ll let the Leeds fan decide if he’s doing ok. A good mate of mine is a Leeds fan and I listen to their main podcast when they lose (mainly to wind him up by laughing at it) and they weren’t impressed with him only keeping them up by skin of their teeth and they aren’t happy with results and what they are watching week in week out and we were told the season Bruce took over and finished midtable that he was doing a great job, better than Rafa etc etc but watching it week in week out the signs were there that it was a car crash Edited January 17, 2023 by gdm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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