tmonkey Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Fully understand the Spanish FA. Quite a sneaky thing of Lopetegui to do, securing a job without telling them he has intentions of leaving a job he's damn well lucky to have. Also wondering if partisan/nationalism politics has anything to do with it. IIRC a big deal was made of the last super successful Spanish national team generation being united for once in terms of "Catalonian" and "Spanish" players pulling in the same direction. Having a national team manager confirmed as joining Madrid might be something that upsets the apple cart with regards to that, i.e. perceived favouritism or bias against Catalonian players, even if it's probably silly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 The Robson situation was very much different. Robson acted with loyalty and honour in every job he had. He didn’t go behind England’s back. England had told him they weren’t renewing his contract so he secured another job. I know it looks similar but it’s really a lazy comparison I would never suggest Robson was anything other than loyal and honorable however that didn't stop the British press labeling him a traitor a few days before the world cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Fully understand the Spanish FA. Quite a sneaky thing of Lopetegui to do, securing a job without telling them he has intentions of leaving a job he's damn well lucky to have. Also wondering if partisan/nationalism politics has anything to do with it. IIRC a big deal was made of the last super successful Spanish national team generation being united for once in terms of "Catalonian" and "Spanish" players pulling in the same direction. Having a national team manager confirmed as joining Madrid might be something that upsets the apple cart with regards to that, i.e. perceived favouritism or bias against Catalonian players, even if it's probably silly. This I agree with, the FA said they only got told 5 mins before the announcement ffs Would expect him to at least tell them, no wonder they were annoyed. Still don't think sacking him helps in any way though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Is he supposed to wait until he’s sacked to look for another job? Do people tell their employers that they’re looking for a new job? The Spanish FA are nuts. This is a crazy decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Is he supposed to wait until he’s sacked to look for another job? Do people tell their employers that they’re looking for a new job? The Spanish FA are nuts. This is a crazy decision. He just signed a new contract with Spain. They'll either implode or win it. Please make Ramos and Pique co managers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Is he supposed to wait until he’s sacked to look for another job? Do people tell their employers that they’re looking for a new job? The Spanish FA are nuts. This is a crazy decision. He can obviously take the job, the issue comes with announcing it before hand. You don't need to make it public, it's a massively dick move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 I'd let Rafa go as caretaker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Is he supposed to wait until he’s sacked to look for another job? Do people tell their employers that they’re looking for a new job? The Spanish FA are nuts. This is a crazy decision. He just signed a new contract with Spain. They'll either implode or win it. Please make Ramos and Pique co managers "Spain have named Under 21 boss Albert Celades as Julen Lopetegui's replacement following the new Real Madrid boss' sacking." from Spaniards on reddit- "Absolute tit." "The coach who underachieved with our golden U21 team last year" "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" "His biggest achievement so far was not qualifying to the Euro U21 in 2015 with a team that had Isco, Saúl, Morata, Sergi Roberto, Kepa, Muniain, Munir, Deulofeu..." "He's like a guy who lied on his CV, but got the job regardles and now he just goes with the flow." sounds good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 I'd let Rafa go as caretaker. Not exactly busy here is he, so yeah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Is he supposed to wait until he’s sacked to look for another job? Do people tell their employers that they’re looking for a new job? The Spanish FA are nuts. This is a crazy decision. He just signed a new contract with Spain. They'll either implode or win it. Please make Ramos and Pique co managers "Spain have named Under 21 boss Albert Celades as Julen Lopetegui's replacement following the new Real Madrid boss' sacking." from Spaniards on reddit- "Absolute tit." "The coach who underachieved with our golden U21 team last year" "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" "His biggest achievement so far was not qualifying to the Euro U21 in 2015 with a team that had Isco, Saúl, Morata, Sergi Roberto, Kepa, Muniain, Munir, Deulofeu..." "He's like a guy who lied on his CV, but got the job regardles and now he just goes with the flow." sounds good Pretty sure the Spain players would just ignore him if he was really shit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Is he supposed to wait until he’s sacked to look for another job? Do people tell their employers that they’re looking for a new job? The Spanish FA are nuts. This is a crazy decision. He can obviously take the job, the issue comes with announcing it before hand. You don't need to make it public, it's a massively dick move. Again, he didnt. Until he was forced to. Perez told Ramos, Ramos told other Real players. He found out. Decided to tell the whole squad as rumours were spreading in the dressing room. http://www.marca.com/en/football/spanish-football/2018/06/12/5b2038a0468aeb9d2f8b46bb.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Aye it would be Terry, Lampard and Drogba when Di Matteo was there. I imagine the leaders in the team are going to take over now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 sacking him two days before their first game surely be to god the players are professional enough to be able to work with him even though he's leaving. This is nuts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 fucking staggering stuff from spain like, no words for the level of self-sabotage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 The problem is not asking the Spanish FA for permission to speak to Real. The Spanish FA, if asked, would have said "Nah, fuck off until the Cup is over". If he then signed despite this, they would have sacked him anyway. That's the real dick move, not asking the FA first, and he paid a hefty price for it. Indeed, why didn't he foresee the possibility? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Fully understand the Spanish FA. Quite a sneaky thing of Lopetegui to do, securing a job without telling them he has intentions of leaving a job he's damn well lucky to have. Also wondering if partisan/nationalism politics has anything to do with it. IIRC a big deal was made of the last super successful Spanish national team generation being united for once in terms of "Catalonian" and "Spanish" players pulling in the same direction. Having a national team manager confirmed as joining Madrid might be something that upsets the apple cart with regards to that, i.e. perceived favouritism or bias against Catalonian players, even if it's probably silly. Apparently the break is more alongside the lines of "old guard" vs "young guard". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Wow - insane story Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Hierro gets job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 they should have asked zidane imo, could have capped off a decent few years for the bloke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 The whole shock and "unrest" in the squad which forced the announement was from the non Real players apparently.. so Spain go and appoint ex Real captain Hierro instead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 The whole shock and "unrest" in the squad which forced the announement was from the non Real players apparently.. so Spain go and appoint ex Real captain Hierro instead Hierro is well-respected. His career as a manager is an anecdote, though, so not sure this is the best way to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 The whole shock and "unrest" in the squad which forced the announement was from the non Real players apparently.. so Spain go and appoint ex Real captain Hierro instead Hierro is well-respected. His career as a manager is an anecdote, though, so not sure this is the best way to go. nah I know, it's just funny that the reason the announcement was made was to avoid it leaking.. and the reason it may have leaked is due to apparent "unrest" in the squad. We can only guess why they'd be uneasy but it surely has something to do with barca/real politics.. then they go appoint ex Real player instead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 That's so fucking stupid, I understand the poletics involved but sacking this close kills any realistic challenge for Spain unfortunately. FFS when England get knocked out, I get to say I'm half Spanish so have another chance to actually follow the games with interest. They just fucked that up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 tough - but right decision! Egoistic from manager and Real. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pons Alias Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 The Robson situation was very much different. Robson acted with loyalty and honour in every job he had. He didn’t go behind England’s back. England had told him they weren’t renewing his contract so he secured another job. I know it looks similar but it’s really a lazy comparison It really isn't - because I specifically said it was a mirror - so the reflected image wouldn't be the same. In this instance, the manager stiffed the country. In Robson's the country stiffed the manager. In both, however - the team did/would be aware that the manager was leaving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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