gdm Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Froggy said: I just don't buy into this at all. A team of new players, new management and new owners isn't the same team that won trophies 15 years ago. And there was absolutely nothing unjustified about either of our cup wins. Poor league position this year, but the cup was fully deserved. apart from Coventry scoring a perfectly good last min goal that got disallowed Edited June 12, 2024 by gdm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 1 minute ago, Froggy said: I can understand you being confident in this game as we had a terrible Casemiro and old man Jonny Evans in centre back for it. I could do them for pace. We scored two so that wasn't the problem. We still had Dubravka in goal and Krafth up against Garmacho. Pretty big levellers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 1 minute ago, gdm said: No club had a worse injury crisis than Newcastle and we finished above you. Our injuries were worse than yours. This has been shown in another thread and backed up with facts. There wasn't one game where Newcastle didn't have a recognised player available for every position. Whereas we had no centre back, no left back, no DM and no striker for multiple games of the season. We had more injuries than you, and the "days lost" lists that people were trying to share to counter didn't include players who were injured from the start of the season, so didn't include Mainoo or Malacia's 10 months worth of injuries. But you can claim what you like of course. And yes, you finished above us on goal difference thanks to us having no defence all year. I'll take Europe and a trophy. 4 minutes ago, gdm said: apart from Coventry scoring a perfectly good goal that got disallowed It was offside. They also scored a huge deflection and got a dodgy pen after being 3-0 down. Again, claim what you like. The cup win was justified. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 5 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: We scored two so that wasn't the problem. We still had Dubravka in goal and Krafth up against Garmacho. Pretty big levellers. We started Scott McTominay. Checkmate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Froggy said: Our injuries were worse than yours. This has been shown in another thread and backed up with facts. There wasn't one game where Newcastle didn't have a recognised player available for every position. I’d argue days missed is more significant than individual injuries and Newcastle were miles out in front and that doesn’t even include Tonali regardless Man Utd fans trying to justify an 8 place finish is something I thought I’d never see. I’m here for it Edited June 12, 2024 by gdm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Man Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 Injury crisis top dogs marra Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 4 minutes ago, Froggy said: We started Scott McTominay. Checkmate. Flimsier than paper that @Froggy, Krafth wouldn’t cost a fee whereas McTominay makes meaningful contributions for Man Utd and Scotland and would happily prop up West Ham’s midfield. McTominay v Brentford at home for you lot was more than Krafth has accomplished in his whole NUFC career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 3 minutes ago, gdm said: I’d argue days missed is more significant than individual injuries and Newcastle were miles out in front and that doesn’t even include Tonali You weren't miles out in front that's what I'm trying to tell you. The list that you were all sharing doesn't include players who were injured coming into the season. Malacia missed the entire season. Diallo was injured until December. Mainoo was out until October. We were probably top of that list as well as most individual players injured and most separate injuries as well. We should get another trophy for that as well to be honest. It would probably be on par with the Intertoto. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 1 minute ago, Nucasol said: Flimsier than paper that @Froggy, Krafth wouldn’t cost a fee whereas McTominay makes meaningful contributions for Man Utd and Scotland and would happily prop up West Ham’s midfield. McTominay v Brentford at home for you lot was more than Krafth has accomplished in his whole NUFC career. That was a joke. McTominay has his uses. Please buy him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 Man Utd will continue to be a mess next season as ETH has no clue who he wants in his side or how they play. Guy start of season was happy to discard McTominay, ended up being a key player and saving him loads. Hojlund ended the season as back up to Fernandes who was playing false 9. Fernandes and Mount can’t be in same team, unless you play Mount RW. Defence was fixated on Varane/Martinez being available, when they were ran through by Wolves and Brentford start of season. Think the best people will see of ETH was first season, and that involved not winning away to any of the top 9 sides. Cups do the heavy lifting, which he’s shown he can be a good pragmatic manager in one off games, but it’s also needed to come with constant home draws along the way. I admire any Man Utd fans who stick behind him, but for me, it’s a blessing for Newcastle. One more side we should be confident of finishing above next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 Not sure how people get drawn into this every single time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 4 minutes ago, 80 said: Not sure how people get drawn into this every single time. Boredom generally, never get tired of seeing @Froggy trying to firefight and spin how hard Man Utd have had it, the plucky upstarts they are. Same way people watch that car crash Goldbridge, it’s all tongue in cheek entertainment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 18 minutes ago, Sibierski said: ETH has no clue who he wants in his side or how they play Yes he does. Part of the problem was him continuing to play his football which wasn't possible given the players we had available, because of a mountain of injuries. 19 minutes ago, Sibierski said: Guy start of season was happy to discard McTominay As he should have been. He only played so much because of injuries. 20 minutes ago, Sibierski said: Hojlund ended the season as back up to Fernandes who was playing false 9. Hojlund is 21. He's had a few injuries this season. He played way too much. I was delighted to see Hojlund protected a bit more, and when he came off the bench he was far more effective to close out the season. He would have played less but we didn't have a backup striker, because of injuries. 21 minutes ago, Sibierski said: Fernandes and Mount can’t be in same team, unless you play Mount RW. Of course they can, but you need a high quality defensive midfielder, which we didn't have due to a mixture of Casemiro's legs falling off and because of injuries. 23 minutes ago, Sibierski said: when they were ran through by Wolves and Brentford start of season Wolves I'll give you, but Brentford? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 17 minutes ago, Nucasol said: Boredom generally, never get tired of seeing @Froggy trying to firefight and spin how hard Man Utd have had it, the plucky upstarts they are. Same way people watch that car crash Goldbridge, it’s all tongue in cheek entertainment. The entertainment is all mine, believe me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 24 minutes ago, 80 said: Not sure how people get drawn into this every single time. Boring every single time as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Boring every single time as well. That's your opinion. Just because you disagree with that's being said doesn't mean others aren't enjoying the engagement. I find comments like yours and 80's boring, and find my own to be incredibly riveting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 Sancho has not been poor for Dortmund. Took him a while to get some fitness and sharpness back tbf. Ask Dortmund fans if they want to keep him….. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 1 minute ago, Lotus said: Sancho has not been poor for Dortmund. Took him a while to get some fitness and sharpness back tbf. Ask Dortmund fans if they want to keep him….. I'm friends with multiple Dortmund season ticket holders. I watch all of their games and have been multiple times myself. I love Dortmund. They do want to keep him, but more because of how good he was before. He hasn't been good since he came back aside from two or three games. He was good in the CL semi, but was horrible in the final. Two assists and two goals in 20+ games for Dortmund, in a league that has about 4 good defenders. It's interesting you say that he took a while to get fitness and sharpness back, because IMO his best performances aside from the CL semi were his first few games back. He tailed off again after that. The hope is that they can pick him up for cheap, and he rediscovers his form from a few years ago. They don't want to pay more than €20m for a permanent transfer though and would prefer to get him on loan again. I can't see either happening. Hoping he goes to West Ham or something for £40m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 ETH is a good manager. Think they are doing the right thing to stand by him. Would have loved it if they sacked him and got Southgate instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 5 minutes ago, Conjo said: ETH is a good manager. Think they are doing the right thing to stand by him. Would have loved it if they sacked him and got Southgate instead. Yeah I’m the same. I wouldn’t be surprised if they kicked on this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 Would've preferred Southgate. But ETH is a horrible man-manager. At times he looks to have lost the dressing room. The only hope he has is that this decision forces the players onside or he can kick out the main rebels (RASHFORD). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 Way too much Man Utd content on this forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Way too much Man Utd content on this forum. Sorry Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 Froggy is like a wet fart in a crowded lift. Change his name to Farty please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 19 minutes ago, Conjo said: ETH is a good manager. Think they are doing the right thing to stand by him. Would have loved it if they sacked him and got Southgate instead. I'm not sure I could have survived Southgate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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